Milky Way has 'billions of Earths'

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Omg. Reading page one and something 7500 light years away would take 7500 years to get to??? Ummm Wrong. Light years is a distance that astronomers use. Not actual years. Sheesh!

As I understand it, and as you said, light years is a measure of distance.

It is the distance from point A to point B that, if an object travels at the speed of light, would need to take to get to the point B from point A.

Since we are not able to travel at light speed at this moment, you are correct, it would take us more than 7500 years to reach a place that is 7500 light years away.
 

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Indeed. We don't live in space and time, we live in space-time. Distance IS time.

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Look at the stars and you see the past.
 

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Since we are not able to travel at light speed at this moment, you are correct, it would take us more than 7500 years to reach a place that is 7500 light years away.

Yes, within the parameters of the technology of today and Einstein's general theory. But let us assume and hope that the tech of tomorrow will overcome all this. (Preferably within the next few months.) :smile:
 
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As I understand it, and as you said, light years is a measure of distance.

It is the distance from point A to point B that, if an object travels at the speed of light, would need to take to get to the point B from point A.

Since we are not able to travel at light speed at this moment, you are correct, it would take us more than 7500 years to reach a place that is 7500 light years away.

Travelling at the speed of light or just below has it's problems. Having instruments that would work and calculate faster than the speed of light for navigation and maneuverability would maybe be one, man made object travelling at the speed of light hitting a pebble could be a bit of a worry, do a bit of damage to the windscreen :), maybe surround the vehicle with an artificial atmosphere similar to earths, so if something did hit it, the small stuff would burn up :)

Unless you are actually travelling on a beam of magnified or intensified light, or unless you could......ahhh waffle and piffle :) :)
 

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As I understand it, and as you said, light years is a measure of distance.

It is the distance from point A to point B that, if an object travels at the speed of light, would need to take to get to the point B from point A.

Since we are not able to travel at light speed at this moment, you are correct, it would take us more than 7500 years to reach a place that is 7500 light years away.

My point was the poster on page one was wrong.
 

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My point was the poster on page one was wrong.


But, actually, it wasn't. A light-year is the distance light will travel at its speed over the time of one Earth year. That post was saying that if we here on Earth are observing a star which is 7500 light-years away, we're actually observing light emitted by it 7500 years ago. If today it became a supernova, the light from that event wouldn't reach us for 7500 years. So unless we have another way of "keeping up to date" with that star that will carry news of its changes to us "faster than the speed of light", then, yes, we will not know what it's doing until 7500 years after the fact.
 

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And one thing to keep in mind is that we're not sure exactly what the "conditions necessary for life to begin" actually are. We can possibly describe the conditions necessary for "life as we know it here on Earth" to begin, but because we don't know (yet) of any other places where life exists, we can't say that that they are the ONLY set of conditions.

Similarly, saying that the odds of everything lining up "just right" for life to begin (as they presumably did here on Earth) incorrectly assumes that had things been slightly askew, life would not have occurred. True, "life as we know it" would not be, but that does not negate the possibility of "life as we don't know it" from being.

Such thinking falls into the trap of assuming that how things are is the ONLY way they are "meant" to be, and that therefore since everything leading up to "now" was a necessary component of "now", that all that once occurred was similarly "meant to be." This implies some sort of "cosmic intent".

Take that step further. You as a biological entity can trace your formation back to sperm meeting egg. That is the first time the unique set of DNA which built you has existed. Out of millions of your father's sperm, only one made it to fertilizing your mother's egg. Had the slightest alteration from the events leading up to that moment occurred, a different sperm could have met the egg, and you wouldn't exist. Does this then mean that every moment of the act of sex involved and leading up to your conception was similarly "meant to be"? A slight delay of your father's ejaculation -- perhaps he paused to scratch an itch, perhaps your mother got a leg cramp -- would alter the outcome. The exact conditions for making you would no longer be met -- but that doesn't mean that there couldn't be an alternative conclusion. If a different sperm met the egg, you wouldn't exist -- but conception and pregnancy could still result. In other words, the exact conditions necessary for making you can also be described as a failure to meet the exact conditions necessary for making your non-existent sibling.

The point is that we severely limit ourselves when seeking possible life outside our planet when we assume that how it happened here MUST BE the only way for it to happen. There are countless alternatives which would each lead to its own set of conclusions.
 
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...and another sobering fact is that mankind is still so very far from being in a position to travel at the speed of light, let alone identifying a shortcut to those potentially life-compatible planets...

It still take the same amount of time to travel from JFK to LAX by air than it did 3 generations ago...In some ways, we have advanced so much, in some others, we are still in the cosmic Dark Ages.
 

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*chomps on a frozen milky way* :rolleyes:
 

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The point is that we severely limit ourselves when seeking possible life outside our planet when we assume that how it happened here MUST BE the only way for it to happen. There are countless alternatives which would each lead to its own set of conclusions.

Are there? Can you name at least one?

Only silicon and carbon have the potential to create chains complex enough.
And only carbon is responsive enough to interact with several other elements...

As long as we dont discover some new elements, life has to be made out of carbon.
And if its made out of carbon, its also likelly that it will need water.


About the numbers of potential earths in the milky way...
Water is way more common in the univers, as the majority thinks.
Other things are way more rare.

The new earth would have to be near a star as large or a bit smaller as our sun (too large and the star would die before life could get created - too small and the earth would have to be so close ti the star that always only one side would show to the star (just like the moon does to our earth))

The star shouldnt be too close to the centre of the milky way (too mutch radiation)
It also shouldnt be too far away from the centre (too less heavy elements, like iron)
The star shouldnt be in an arm of the milky way (too many other stars, the gravity would distroy the system of planets)

At it best would the new earth have a moon - it stables the rotation of the planet

Some large planets would be needed in the sun system (they would catch the majority of comets)

All this would be needed to create intelligent life
 
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