Miss USA 2009 Controversy

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  1. rgboi84

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    FOXNews.com - Miss California Sparks Furor With Gay Marriage Comments on Miss USA Telecast - Celebrity Gossip | Entertainment News | Arts And Entertainment

    "As co-director of the Miss California USA, I am personally saddened and hurt that Miss California believes marriage rights belong only to a man and a woman," said Lewis in a statement. "I believe all religions should be able to ordain what unions they see fit. I do not believe our government should be able to discriminate against anyone and religious beliefs have no politics in the Miss California family."

    Should Miss California have taken a side on this issue by alienating the very people who styled her, coached her and judged her? She should have known better and that's why she LOST!:biggrin1:
     
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    Hmm....i smell a contender for VP in 2024 :cool:
     
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    How does she look in a red dress?

    any pregnant kids we need to know about ahead of time?

    sign her up!
     
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    Everyone has the right to hold and state whatever opinions they choose. And everyone else has the right to judge that person based on those views. That's how a democracy works.
     
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    THE PROBLEM IS....

    She was asked by one of the judges to voice an opinion! Yes, Perez Hilton, one of the judges, asked her about her views on gay marriage. Blame him for making it political. No matter what she answered, she'd be screwed. It was an inappropriate question and for the pageant to deny it, is absurd. Didn't they vet the questions?
     
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    perez hilton asked her a question about gay marriage and she gave a n.o.m. answer and lost the contest.
     
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    #8 crescendo69, Apr 20, 2009
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    That is totally true Els, who in there right mind made Perez a judge in a serious competition. No one else was able to make it?
     
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    It would have been great after that answer that the questioner whispered "Cunt says what?"
     
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    I agree completely. Well said.
     
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    Most of the questions were about political issues hah. Should taxpayer money be used to bailout big companies and stuff?? and yes indeed that was a pretty controversial question, I didn't really expected it from Perez, but it made sense..
     
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    It would be nice if these views did not lead to discrimination and vilification and worse. The fact is..they do.

    good on perez for this question and even better for Miss USA pageant for their stand....

    and as perez said...what a dumb biatch!
     
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    Her state, California, did vote to repeal gay marriage.
    And she was not completley honest. Apparently, she has a family member who is a gay rights activist.
    Thats what she gets for lying.

    And she got cheers and boos for here answer. It was a lose, lose.
    She should have said something like, "Well, I believe that states should follow when they are ready. We are all in the process of changing. Change takes time, and every state has the right to vote how they feel about the issue. That is what being an American is all about."

    The question was if she believes that states should follow, not what she personally believes. But its hard to... hard.. to.. such as maps... difficult, um.. I mean... such as maps... to thinks when you are... um... thrown off by a question.
     
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    Oh wait, Im from California. I voted to keep gay marriage. (but lost)
    I could not believe the ignorance out there. Stupid people were so afraid of what would happen to their children if gays were allowed to marry. Then I told them. Nothing is going to happen. Gays are already allowed to marry and nothing has happened to your children. You are voting to repeal the law, to take it away, not to keep it from happening.

    It only takes one ignorant person to cancel out my vote.
     
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    You know, we're on the same side of the marriage equality debate. I find anything short of full equality between a straight marriage and a gay partnership to be discriminatory. Part of me questions why we have chosen to perpetuate a tradition that was founded on securing rights to another human being like some piece of property, but that's another topic.

    But I am a staunch advocate of open dialog, and I give people much more credit to recognize ignorance and prejudice when they hear it than you do. I think reactionary, discriminatory opinions are best dealt with in full sunlight: it's the best disinfectant, after all.

    And just for shits and giggles, I'm gonna throw out that the questions were obviously vetted. There is nothing less spontaneous than a beauty pageant in all of entertainment. This is a contrived controversy meant to generate interest in the Miss USA/Miss Universe franchise that, in many ways, is stuck somewhere in between 1975 and 1983.

    This is all about the publicity. I mean Perez Hilton...really?
     
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    I didn't see the entire competition but I have seen the clip in question. I was more shocked that Perez Hilton was there as a judge and asked such a politically volatile question than I was by her answer. I think he was inappropriate.

    Agreed!

    Well LT was busy on Dancing With The stars. :tongue:
     
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    I didn't hear any boos. ..and who cares? They shouldn't ask her opinion and expect only one answer.
     
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    Bbucko can defend himself, so if this falls short of a rock-solid defense, so be it.

    After reading this exchange, engorged, it is my opinion that you are a dolt. Now that I have exercised my right to express my opinion, you and everyone else on this board has the right to judge both my assessment, and me. I know you aren't going to like it. But after noticing how little attention you pay to detail, i haven't any inclination to give weight to your opinion. Not even a little inclination.

    You see, it seems that you are arguing for censorship, or worse. Buck said he thinks she should be able to express her opinion, but that all others in the world should be able to judge her based on the opinion she expressed. You argued against it. So, I ask you, who's opinion should be expressed, who's should be suppressed, and who gets to decide which is which? You?

    Oh, and he wasn't calling YOU a reactionary. He was calling the opinion of those who oppose gay marriage "reactionary." Just so you're aware (the next time you dabble in political discourse) the Oxford dictionary definition of reactionary:

    reactionary |r&#275;&#712;ak sh &#601;&#716;ner&#275;|
    adjective
    (of a person or a set of views) opposing political or social liberalization or reform.

    Until your little outburst above, I wouldn't have included you in that ilk. Neither did Bbucko. Now... I'm going to exercise my right to opine about you again: You, sir, are a reactionary, for the reason I've stated above.

    And for the record (though, you'd know if you searched some of my threads, if you weren't too lazy to do so), I'm as PRO gay marriage as they come - being party to a gay marriage myself.
     
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