Mitchymo Banned???

[Drifterwood]

17 Pages ??? Isnt it enuf already.? This issue is debated, dissected, discussed, sliced, diced, argued and beaten to death. Lets leave it, and let it play out however it will.

You have a serious attention span deficit. The best discussions have been going on for over 8000 years.

But then most of them haven't involved you.

 

[B_theOtherJJ]

You have a serious attention span deficit. The best discussions have been going on for over 8000 years.

But then most of them haven't involved you.

True, and thats definately the KEY here. Its all about ME ......

 

[B_hungprepjock]

I think a lot of the people who camp out in EtcX2 only to comment — usually in smug, pretentious, disparaging ways — on nearly every cockamamie thread that’s posted there and make witless, irrelevant, trollish replies to serious topics — calling for an end to the current discussion, for example — which are beyond their limited capabilities to appreciate or, perhaps, to understand, should learn when to be quiet and listen sometimes.

Notorious trolls are not only permitted on this site, but actively encouraged by the admins to come back — after being banned, and in some cases, banned repeatedly, for very serious offences that actually undermine the site’s Internet security — to wreak their self–centered vengeance on everyone else — in clear violation of the ToS, as it used to be. But here we have the case of someone who was clearly devoted to LPSG, even to serving as a mod, but who was banned because — after he resigned — he spoke out in the mildest, most principled way about his experience.

Is that fair?

 

[helgaleena]

I think a lot of the people who camp out in EtcX2 only to comment — usually in smug, pretentious, disparaging ways — on nearly every cockamamie thread that’s posted there and make witless, irrelevant, trollish replies to serious topics — calling for an end to the current discussion, for example — which are beyond their limited capabilities to appreciate or, perhaps, to understand, should learn when to be quiet and listen sometimes.

Notorious trolls are not only permitted on this site, but actively encouraged by the admins to come back — after being banned, and in some cases, banned repeatedly, for very serious offences that actually undermine the site’s Internet security — to wreak their self–centered vengeance on everyone else — in clear violation of the ToS, as it used to be. But here we have the case of someone who was clearly devoted to LPSG, even to serving as a mod, but who was banned because — after he resigned — he spoke out in the mildest, most principled way about his experience.

Is that fair?

No.

I for one am in favor of keeping this thread alive ad nauseam until the mods apologize, whether or not this involves mitchy's return. He may not wish to do that.

Apologize how? By rereading the post in question and discovering for themselves that it contained nothing earthshatteringly secret regarding modhood, and that they went too far in the rapid retaliation. My dear crustacean overlords, the Great Crab of Ineffable Wisdom is there for you.

The Lair of the Crab of Ineffable Wisdom - a load of stuff by Joel Veitch that will probably crush your will to live - rathergood.com

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

Hilaire...I would be more concerned over the fact that some of the Mods can't be impartial and may be reacting with personal vendettas.

I'm sorry Pye, I just don't see it that way. I'll be castigated (not by you I'm sure :smile for disagreeing again so I wont go in to why I don't think this situation has anything to do with Mod bias and how in fact it gives me greater confidence in the fairness of moderation on this site.

 

[Jason]

I wonder what the mods make of this thread? Are they irritated by it? Bored? Offended? Not reading it? Find it a laugh? Upset by it? Probably there are as many answers as there are mods.

It would be constuctive if the mods would review their decision and either:
a) unban Mitchymo
b) explain to members that there is actually a much bigger problem than the issue we all think this is about, and that their action is therefore proportionate and reasonable.

As it is we have a response by the moderators which appears wholly disproportionate and an example of particularly bad practice in conflict resolution. In a site which claims to offer support this seems sad.

I'm hanging around assuming that the mods will get round to resolving this. But within a few weeks we've seen from this site bad judgment over the penis icons and now this incident. There comes a time when the decision by individual members is simply to leave.

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

b) explain to members that there is actually a much bigger problem than the issue we all think this is about, and that their action is therefore proportionate and reasonable.

This might be worth doing.
But Jason, what exactly do you think the issue is all about?
I could think of two or three things you might have in mind, and be wrong about all of them.

 

[798686]

There's probably only a certain amount the mods can actually say?

 

[Jason]

This might be worth doing.
But Jason, what exactly do you think the issue is all about?
I could think of two or three things you might have in mind, and be wrong about all of them.

A very good question. And it goes to the hub of the problem.

The official statement from the moderators is a one-liner to the effect that he revealed on the general board a discussion of the moderators. In the absence of any other information I'm assuming this is correct. Reading this thread it seems possible that he got his facts wrong, that he had serious disagreements with one or more moderators, that there was some other issue or issues that prompted his moderator resignation. There are also issues around collective responsibility, where if a group like the mods make a decision all in the group should support that decision. And I'm not clear whether he jumped or was pushed out of the mods.

What I'm left with is a member who has said something he probably shouldn't but which is so lost on this board that I can't find it even when I look for it. The issue is therefore utterly trivial. A note of caution is that I suppose it is just about possible that there is some reason so absolutely terrible and shocking that the mods don't want to reveal it - in which case they are presumably being very responsible.

A bit of communication from the mods would help. A statement of longer length as to why M was banned would seem right, given the length of this thread. If there is a proper reason, let us all understand that there is such a reason. Even if they said there is a reason, but they are not going into details it would help. If there isn't - well maybe the process of writing out such a statement would help the moderators change their views by demonstrating the weakness of their case.

 

[Mem]

The Mods are just sitting back waiting for this thread to go away to the second page and be forgotten. Their only other option is to close it which will bring more negative attention their way. There is not much of anything a member here can do. One thing that does piss them off is if people leave to another site where the banned member is at, especially is they talk bad about this place. If he spilled the beans on the Mod Squad...well you know...

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

The official statement from the moderators is a one-liner to the effect that he revealed on the general board a discussion of the moderators.

Well, here are what an administrator and two mods have said:

Pecker, announcing the ban, from the Principessa thread.
And Indie and novice in this thread.
There's not that much ambiguity.

 

[Mem]

Well, here are what an administrator and two mods have said:

Pecker, announcing the ban, from the Principessa thread.
And Indie and novice in this thread.
There's not that much ambiguity.

As Mods they are held to a certain rule. He had resigned and was no longer a Mod.

I like the "Thanks for your understanding" line instead of "I hope you can understand".

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

As Mods they are held to a certain rule. He had resigned and was no longer a Mod.

I think one could discuss whether his infractions were really significant.
That said, any notion that one becomes free to discuss mod actions by merely resigning is, imo, quite wrong.
It would be the death knell for confidentiality of mod discussions.

 

[B_theOtherJJ]

I think a lot of the people who camp out in EtcX2 only to comment — usually in smug, pretentious, disparaging ways — on nearly every cockamamie thread that’s posted there and make witless, irrelevant, trollish replies to serious topics — calling for an end to the current discussion, for example — which are beyond their limited capabilities to appreciate or, perhaps, to understand, should learn when to be quiet and listen sometimes.

Notorious trolls are not only permitted on this site, but actively encouraged by the admins to come back — after being banned, and in some cases, banned repeatedly, for very serious offences that actually undermine the site’s Internet security — to wreak their self–centered vengeance on everyone else — in clear violation of the ToS, as it used to be. But here we have the case of someone who was clearly devoted to LPSG, even to serving as a mod, but who was banned because — after he resigned — he spoke out in the mildest, most principled way about his experience.

Is that fair?

And troublemakers, and members that just dont know when to let go are also not popular here. Take note hungprepBlock.... Perhaps you have nothing else to do but dwell in other peoples business, but some of us just want to move on, since the decisions made here are not yours anyway. The seriousness of this particular topic DIED pages ago, and I'm not even sure Mitchy would want the conversation to continue. BTW, I love being referred to as a a "troll" and person who makes irrelevant and witless remarks. How long did you research to find those words?

 

[Mem]

I think one could discuss whether his infractions were really significant.
That said, any notion that one becomes free to discuss mod actions by merely resigning is, imo, quite wrong.
It would be the death knell for confidentiality of mod discussions.

Do they make you take a blood oath? Can't any former Mod go to any other site or make a Blog and spill the secrets? Yes they will be banned from here, but if they ever move an have a different IP# they can come back and not reveal who they were.

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

Do they make you take a blood oath?

No.

Can't any former Mod go to any other site or make a Blog and spill the secrets?

You're pretty sharp today, mem.
In any case, if they revealed secrets of the mod forum anywhere, they would, I strongly suspect, be subject to sanctions.

Yes they will be banned from here, but if they ever move an have a different IP# they can come back and not reveal who they were.

Sure, but what's the point of this statement?

 

[B_theOtherJJ]

I think all those guilty of infractions should join the "witness protection program".. Surely they can never work in this town again !

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

I think all those guilty of infractions should join the "witness protection program".. Surely they can never work in this town again !

Oh jj ... you're always seduced by the allure of half-way measures.
I think they should be drawn and quartered and then decapitated.
If they repeat the infraction, they should be incinerated.

 

[D_Relentless Original]

Well, here are what an administrator and two mods have said:

Pecker, announcing the ban, from the Principessa thread.
And Indie and novice in this thread.
There's not that much ambiguity.

Off topic i know, apologies in advance.

Rubi, would you educate me in how you do that link above. If you would, could you pm me with instructions please?

Thanks Fella.

 

[Mem]

In any case, if they revealed secrets of the mod forum anywhere, they would, I strongly suspect, be subject to sanctions.

WTF is a sanction in this case?

Do you mean a lawsuit?

Do you sign anything swearing you to confidentiality?

It's part of your life, you have the right to discuss it anywhere unless you signed something ahead of time.