suaige: I am kind of on one tonight so I am going to post this and see what happens. From most of my posts I am sure you can tell my opinions on life and morality. I try really hard to live what I preach. Not perfect, but think I do a pretty good job. Some what from this site, but also from other locations, it seems to me the only PC form of descrimination these days is anti-christian. I mean having to call Christmas - the winter holiday so as not to offend the minority non-christian portion of the population is pretty bad. But more related to this, There are many liberal minded people on this site and the topic of homo/hetro sexuality is pretty open, cool. And, many are able to post in a non-inflammatory way- very commendable and helpful. I try to do so, even when I am offering one sided advise. And, I have as a conservative christian who is opposed to the practice of homosexuality and gay marriages, been much defamed. Called narrow minded, hateful, intollerant, old fastioned, bigotted and the like. Those in opposition to views like mine cry for civil rights, equality and tolerance. But I feel as do my roomies and others with whom I associate that this is very one sided. We are told we hide behind our religion and we are cruel. Where is the tolerance of our beliefs. Today I was reading Leviticus in the bible and in the Law of Moses homosexualtiy was called an abomination -- something worthy of causing hate or disgust -- I think that pretty accurately describes it in many peoples minds. It was a capital offense. I am not jewish and believe also in the new testament, when though contested states in my opion the same thing. So when I am in opposition to gay marriage and the like ( note my brother is a practacing gay and actively campaigning on the other side ) how come it is only I that am intollerant and not those who want me to give up that which I cherish most in life, my core beliefs to be tolerant of others. I think it intersting while the ACLU says we have to take down the 10 commandments from our school becuase people might read them and if they read them they might be inclined to follow them -- such a bad thing, don't commit adultary, dont kill, don't steal, don't purger. Hm evil aren't they. Can't follow them out of religious belief yet most of them are written into our law, or would solve a lot of problems in our society. It seems like I am looked upon similarly harshly or as a freak for being 32 and only having had sex during the 3 years of marriage. I even heard a government official say "teaching abstenance is irresposible and inhumane" like we are out to torture people. Well lets see 1/3 of all children born are born outside of marriage, the largest # of people on welfare are single moms (and yes this includes divorce), many studies show one of the biggest causes of joining a gang is father absenteeism, STDs are at epodemic levels, and AIDS has spread largely throuh sex. So here we have Govt finances, crime, poverty, and health that all would be improved by a little morality. And yet some how I am sidelined and defamed. I think the media, news, hollywood and TV are the major forces behind this, and perhaps the ACLU, but it seems to become generally pervasive. Its not good to gay bash, but I feel that my opion is often the most umwelcome in conversation and I should not even bring it up, even among rather open minded people. That said I do not condone hatred of anyone. I am much a believer in hate the sin not the sinner. check my meet and greet "a small rant/rave/get it off my chest" if you think I blow water or came to any of these conculsions lightly. I do not condone gay bashing or anything of the like. Hatered and ignorance only leads to things like the inquisition, Naziism, the historical treatment of indians and blacks and the like. I post this here due to the openness of the people, the representation of most of the spectrum on these issues and would like to hear from both sides. I am not likely to change any of my beliefs but if I find I am wrong am likely to change some of my opinions. lets carry on a good debate, not just spew vendictive hatred. A paraphrase of a great quote, An argument must be an organized collections of facts to make a point not merely a contradiction of the other person. I have so been wanting to carry on this discussion in more of a mixed group. go to.