More Change We Can Believe In...

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  1. slurper_la

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    Interesting...
    Some say this is in response for his decisions to add more troops in Afghanistan. But even with this move, dissenters will find a way to downplay it even though they were the first to bitch about lobbyists being there to begin with.


    And birthers will still think he's a Kenyan socialist.
     
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    Well slurper...I'd say less lobbyists on advisory boards is a good thing and is change I can believe in. Good science and debate is much better than special interests deciding everything. Lobbying groups up in arms? Color me surprised.
     
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    Lobbyists should be banned for good. Christ, they have more say than any standard citizen. Worse than that, but it goes hand in hand is the donations. I mean money turns pro-public option candidates into anti-public option candidates.
     
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    I'm glad we agree
     
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    Yes, by all means: make professional lobbyists illegal.
     
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    Libtard... no make that pom-pom flashing libtard. This whole administration is old Washington with it's coffer filled to the hilt in lobbyists.

    and let me guess you were SCREAMING at Cheney's FORMER ties to Halliburton. You can't be that young/naive/inept/all-the-above...? wait, you can, and are.

    You need to brush up on what constitutes a "registered lobbyists" vs the 99.9% other lobbyists out there.


    Dream on broomstick cowgirl...
     
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    There's an old timey saying... do as I say, not as I do... Barrah....


    • Tom Vilsack, secretary of agriculture nominee, was registered to lobby as recently as last year on behalf of the National Education Association.

    • William Lynn, deputy defense secretary nominee, was registered to lobby as recently as last year for defense contractor Raytheon, where he was a top executive.

    • William Corr, deputy health and human services secretary nominee, was registered to lobby until last year for the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, a non-profit that pushes to limit tobacco use.

    • David Hayes, deputy interior secretary nominee, was registered to lobby until 2006 for clients, including the regional utility San Diego Gas & Electric.
    • Mark Patterson, chief of staff to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, was registered to lobby as recently as last year for financial giant Goldman Sachs.

    • Ron Klain, chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden, was registered to lobby until 2005 for clients, including the Coalition for Asbestos Resolution, U.S. Airways, Airborne Express and drug-maker ImClone.

    • Mona Sutphen, deputy White House chief of staff, was registered to lobby for clients, including Angliss International in 2003.

    • Melody Barnes, domestic policy council director, lobbied in 2003 and 2004 for liberal advocacy groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union, the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the American Constitution Society and the Center for Reproductive Rights.

    • Cecilia Munoz, White House director of intergovernmental affairs, was a lobbyist as recently as last year for the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy group.

    • Patrick Gaspard, White House political affairs director, was a lobbyist for the Service Employees International Union.

    • Michael Strautmanis, chief of staff to the president’s assistant for intergovernmental relations, lobbied for the American Association of Justice from 2001 until 2005.
     
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    Change I can believe ... dop de dopp... catching a baby bumble bee... won't Obarma be so proud a me....
     
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    Did you really need three posts in a row to express your disdain?
    Seriously, go back on your meds.
     
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    faceking, I'm not sure what your point there was. I don't mind lobbying from NGOs concerned with social justice or legal issues. What I don't want are boatloads of lobbyists from all the multinational corporations writing our policy, thanks.
    Obama's got some of both, but at least it's better than handing hundreds of billions in no-bid contracts to your VP's old company and their friends to profit off war.
     
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    FaceQueen doesn't have a point.
    The so-called "Libertarian" just thinks every thread that shows Obama in a positive light is concocted and supported by "blind liberals" who worship him like he's the second coming of Christ. Just more pathetic, stereotyping psychobabble from the lunatic fringe.
     
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    These two statements were just genius.

    Yes, lets get rid of "professional" lobbyists. Then every citizen can march down to his congressman's office and demand that policy be carried out in the way he suggests. What? That won't work? Too many people? Congress would never listen? Ok, then we'll select a representative of our group of like minded individuals to head down and talk on our behalf. We'll tell that ol' slimy congressman that if he wants our support then he better listen! We'll call this person a, umm, LOBBYIST..yeah! Boy, that'll show em.
     
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    HA
     
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    Precisely, except for the fact that those groups with the money are the ones doing all the talking. It's one thing to lobby for your town. It's another to lobby for industries that have been rendered redundant (music, recording in general) archaic (auto manufacturing) or have just been plain fucking with our government for a hundred years (oil, banking)
     
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    Well, how about "political decorators" or "government design consultants"?

    I know! I know! Design-conscious political tourists on vacation in Washington D.C. That's it! And while were at it, we can have them put colored flood lights on all of the monuments at night. That will be original. :smile:

    Oh, and have a real schpecial day, K?
     
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    How is lobbying for a town any less "horrible" than lobbying for an industry? "But wait, my town is good." Yeah, they all say that when they want a new bridge or gymnasium.

    Industry = Jobs = People's livelihoods

    Lobbyists are our only way to reach our corrupt and disinterested congress. Congressmen, like the rest of the people on the planet, couldn't care less what anyone else thinks; unless that person has leverage over them. Our leverage? Dollars. Go make a lot of it, buy yourself a congressman. Until then us poor folk will be pooling money into organizations that agree with our beliefs; NRA, AARP, NGO, ect.

    The reason people are mad about lobbyists is they don't think they have one.
     
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    a lobbyists may help get a bill pass that you like.
     
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    or one that you don't like
     
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