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Is it so naive? With all the proven voter fraud in recent elections, I can't bring myself to believe the system isn't completely rigged.

I think you are watching too much Fox news. Though there is always some level of fraud in open elections, the isolated incidents that have been publicized by certain elements of the media have never been shown to be substantial enough to sway an election. In fact there is no major National election that has been won through fraud. Get out and vote and fear no more. :wink:
 

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I think you are watching too much Fox news. Though there is always some level of fraud in open elections, the isolated incidents that have been publicized by certain elements of the media have never been shown to be substantial enough to sway an election and in fact there is no major National election that has been won through fraud. Get out and vote and fear no more. :wink:

What does Fox news have to do with any of my statements? I don't own a television...

Here is a documentary that changed my opinions on presidential elections:

Hacking Democracy - Full Length - YouTube
 

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Well Fox news would like us to believe that voter fraud is so rampant as to elect someone like Barack Obama to the Presidency. Though, oddly enough they don't seem to make such implications when a Republican is elected.

Corporations - and more precisely - their money, have way too much influence over elections (Thank you Robert's Court) but they have not nulified the electorate yet. So long as one stays informed and educated, the public still has the final say and get that for what they vote.
 

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The Republican-Democrat system is just to distract you from the continuous increase of the government's control over citizens. Think about the highly politicized issue of birth control. Should a government dictate people at a personal level like this?

We don't need to elect candidate B or impeach president A. We need a complete overhaul of the system. It can't be fixed from within.

Let's start the revolution on lpsg. I propose millions of people storm the white house on foot. What would they do, just open fire on their own citizens?
 

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The Republican-Democrat system is just to distract you from the continuous increase of the government's control over citizens. Think about the highly politicized issue of birth control. Should a government dictate people at a personal level like this?

We don't need to elect candidate B or impeach president A. We need a complete overhaul of the system. It can't be fixed from within.

Let's start the revolution on lpsg. I propose millions of people storm the white house on foot. What would they do, just open fire on their own citizens?

Nah, they'd probably just pick *you* off.

Always take out the leader. :rolleyes:
 

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I propose millions of people storm the white house on foot.

I propose instead, we storm the business schools that taught generations that greed is the only way.

Every business school's dean, every CEO, the senate building, congress AND the oval office should all have guillotines prominently displayed in them. Make sure the ones in charge can not avoid seeing them each and every day. Remind them what happens when greed get to out of hand.
 

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Only if guys like you are too lazy to get off your as and vote.

Obama has actually done a very good job, in the face of unprecedented GOP obstructionism aimed at undermining the elected office of the presidency ( which I consider a form of treason- If I were Barry, the GOP leadership would be cooling their heels in Gitmo, having al their emails and texts gone over by the justice department seeking evidence of their conspiracy to undermine the authority of the lawfully elected representative of the people of the United States. )

Let's tally, okay... Obama STOPPED the precipitous slide of job losses that began in Bushes last year... ( after 7 years of net ZERO job growth ) And since then, job growth has slowly, but steadily gained month on month, and is still growing today. ( this despite GOP efforts to prevent an jobs bills from passing, and to prevent economic recovery- another taste of GOP treason against the people of the US )

He managed to walk the tightrope of world wide financial disaster- a financial disaster CREATED by the GOP agenda of de-regulation of banking and finance law stretching back to the Reagan administration. ( not to mention deregulation of oil and energy markets- each of which has been an additional disater )

He ended ONE war and is reducing the other ( and for the libs who bemoan that he promised he would end the wars faster, keep in mind that he made that promise BEFORE the economy blew up... he was forced to the cynical but true reality that the military was the only JOBS program that the GOP HAD to support. Laying off a half million military personnel was simply not economically viable as an option. The draw down in forces HAS to be very gradual to prevent another economic setback )

He reformed healthcare... at least a little- and if the 5 tea partisan imbeciles on the SCOTUS don't strike it down, I, for one, will finally be able to get health insurance for the first time in 7 years.

He KILLED Bin Laden, and over a dozen Other Al Queda higher ups... and he did it without getting us into another trillion dollar war.

He ended Don't ask don't tell, and removed the prime obstacle to overturning the DOMA.

AND- I know the rapid Libs whine about this, but he has managed to NOT be the Liberal Socialist that the right would like to make him out to be...


All in all, given the mess he was handed at the start of his administration, he has managed to very intelligently thread perhaps the Only safe path thru a minefield of disaster and obstructionism.


Imagine what he could do if democrats had a super-majority in all both houses.

He hasn't been the lightening rod of liberal reform that the democratic base wished for... but I have to say that most of what he planned and promised to do in his first campaign he might still do.

You have to credit the fact that his attention HAD to shift from changing the status quo, to merely keeping the US and world economy from total collapse.

The man was thrown in the deep end and he clearly understood what took priority.

Vote for him...
Because the other guy is promising to hell and back nothing but the exact same staff and exact same polices of Bush, that GOT US INTO THIS MESS..

No, he's been really, really bad. The stimulus was weak, and he's been an austerity hawk ever since, which is actively BAD.

The ACA actually cuts single payer systems that work, like Medicare, and further subsidizes an industry which is killing Americans while throwing a few bones in the form of regulations, most of which have since been dropped, and insurance that will be provided for you, but very expensively and with shitty coverage.

After one of the biggest economic meltdowns in a century, his administration has done little to prevent it happening again, while starting to attack Sarbanes-Oxley.

He's a bad president. I wasn't expecting him to be Liberal Jesus, but the dude isn't even a Moderate Buddy Christ
 

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I'm against people on both sides who spew extreme nonsense. The Republicans pull it and the Democrats do as well. I wish they'd just stay factual.

Very well said.

One of the reasons I've steered clear of Facebook lately is because it has caused me to do too much research. You see, if someone posts that I should boycott a certain brand of napkin and paper towels because they're Nazis who are paying George Zimmerman's legal fees, I have a tendency to research and make sure it's true before I pump my fist in solidarity. I'm funny that way :rolleyes:.

The main reason I can't pledge my allegiance to any political party is because I'm not down for going "all in". I can't see myself automatically agreeing with a "Republican point" just because I may be Republican, or agreeing with a "Democratic point" just by virtue of being a Democrat. It's so divisive and (when you think about it) silly. I've seen people ready to fistfight in defense of Bill O'Reilly. Really? Is Bill cutting you checks or something? Because I'll bet my entire livelihood that he doesn't even know you exist, genius. Sheeple may be people, but they're scary people.
 
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It's totally ubsurd to try and put Democrats in the same pile as Republicans. The Republicans have lost it and so have the voters who continually vote for them. Party before country all the time.

The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.

When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the country’s challenges.

Let’s just say it: The Republicans are the problem.

And as if the debt debacle and the following first ever credit downgrade the Republicans are all set to do it again in 2013.
 
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