more poke-in-the-eye bullshit from GW Douche & co
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As usual jonb you are able to present yourself as one of the biggest assholes that has ever existed. The fact that my ideas differ from yours does not give you the right to summarily compare me to the KKK, Aryan Nations and other groups. The only groups I have ever belonged to were The Boy Scouts (yes a queer got in there!
, The Methodist Church (I left because I do not care much for organized religion), The NRA (about 5 years while drinking heavily), the ALA (Amalgamated Lithographers--it's a union in case it is beyond your all engulfing egotistical brain power limitations), and of course as many know I am currently a member of AA(alcoholics anonymous--although telling this to people here probably with your vast levels of wisdom violates all sorts of things). I am, as much as it may horrify you to find out, also a member of The Democratic Party. You got it Sherlock--I'm registered as a Democrat. Although I support certain Republican candidates and their platforms, I have never been able to bring myself to registering as a Republican. What does this do to your plans? Now you get to see that even a registered Democrat, a one-legged QUEER of below national average income levels, is in support of the political party which you have made it your life mission to loathe. Oh, did I also mention that I currently live in Democratic Territory? As for my name, you can believe it to be real or you can deny it until your teeth fall out, I clearly cannot force you to believe anything since most deranged morons are unable to believe anything, even the things they spout from their yaps so I am well aware that you are incapable of such thought process.. All you ever do jonb is respond to each and every fucking post as if you are the second coming of who knows what. No matter what anyone says you have to respond, usually to contradict whoever has posted. Sure you've amassed a happy little band of followers who worship your every word and move but how long will it last before you find you've got to dose them all with poisoned Kool-Aid before they alert the public of your true nature?
You want to accuse me and others of predjudice eh? I of course cannot speak for others but let me remind you of my particular history. I come from a rather large background which includes a piece of Jewish heritage, heritage which also includes a portion of my grandfather's family being killed off under Hitler and some heritage of unknown origins since I had an adopted parent, someone who had a heritage we knew nothing about. He could have been Italian, Greek, Spanish Native American, Martian, Peruvian, French or anything else or a massive conglomeration of inheritance. What this boils down to oh wise and immensely insipid one, is that an early age I found no reason of any sort to justify judging persons according to religion, race, height, body build or the such. I attack persons directly on their ideas and that is all there is to it and when I launch my attack I go primarily with two things--the feeling in my gut and also what my beliefs are. I am as I have indicated repeatedly entitled to my ideas, just as you are entitled to yours. Will we ever be able to see eye to eye? I doubt it because you are to much of an idiot to see beyond your sick and sanctimonious self.
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I posted an earlier statement about all of this. Onslow, I don't always agree with Jonb. However, your extreme caustic remarks about him have only caused you to lose ground in your debate with him. You are attacking him as a person, his character. In true debate you stay with the issues at hand.
While some of us have been rather strong in our statements of belief, at least some of us have made no denunciation of another person on this forum.
This race thing galls me. You said you were raised Methodist. The Methodist Church teaches love, not hate and an equal opportunity for all. I know. I am a staff person. I know that not everyone here believes in some sort of God. I do. And I believe that all humans are God's children. I believe God loves all his children.
Before anyone goes and starts spouting forth this verse from the Bible, Koran, or any other religous book. What I have just said it what I believe. I don't believe you have to be a Christian. I do believe you have to belive something and come into some sort of communion with God as you understand him to be. But that is not the point here. There is no way anyone could argue that all people have equal access to excercise our equal rights.
And it saddens me that there is so much hatred. Pure hatred that is consuming so many people and to some degree is consuming some here on the forum.
Is every one really equal. Not it every thing. That is obvious. But all should have EQUAL OPPORTUNITY to do what they want to do. A race, color of skin, dick size, breat size, ethnic background, bald, curly hair, straight hair, atheist, Christian, Hindu--IT SHOULD NOT MATTER AT ALL WHEN IT COMES TO EQUAL RIGHTS AND PREVILDGES COMING FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND RELATING TO GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONS.
We are talking about equal opportunity for all. Our Consitution mandates this. Laws past by Congress mandate this. But sadly it isn't happening. The rich are getting richer and the poorer poorer and have been for several years. But it has been worse under this adminstration than any other in my lifetime.
Onslow, it would do you a world of good to go back and read all the posts at one setting. I think you would see some things that you have missed. We all do that. I know I have. And I will again.
I don't know you. I just know that some of your posts here show a different person than you claim to be at times.
Jonb may have attacked you personally and I missed it. It is almost impossible to read every post here unless you stayed full time here.
All I can go on is what I have read and you are extremely caustic to Jonb and some of the others in attacking them personally.
Please stay on the issues and debate them. It is much more informative that way for everyone.
While some of us have been rather strong in our statements of belief, at least some of us have made no denunciation of another person on this forum.
This race thing galls me. You said you were raised Methodist. The Methodist Church teaches love, not hate and an equal opportunity for all. I know. I am a staff person. I know that not everyone here believes in some sort of God. I do. And I believe that all humans are God's children. I believe God loves all his children.
Before anyone goes and starts spouting forth this verse from the Bible, Koran, or any other religous book. What I have just said it what I believe. I don't believe you have to be a Christian. I do believe you have to belive something and come into some sort of communion with God as you understand him to be. But that is not the point here. There is no way anyone could argue that all people have equal access to excercise our equal rights.
And it saddens me that there is so much hatred. Pure hatred that is consuming so many people and to some degree is consuming some here on the forum.
Is every one really equal. Not it every thing. That is obvious. But all should have EQUAL OPPORTUNITY to do what they want to do. A race, color of skin, dick size, breat size, ethnic background, bald, curly hair, straight hair, atheist, Christian, Hindu--IT SHOULD NOT MATTER AT ALL WHEN IT COMES TO EQUAL RIGHTS AND PREVILDGES COMING FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND RELATING TO GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONS.
We are talking about equal opportunity for all. Our Consitution mandates this. Laws past by Congress mandate this. But sadly it isn't happening. The rich are getting richer and the poorer poorer and have been for several years. But it has been worse under this adminstration than any other in my lifetime.
Onslow, it would do you a world of good to go back and read all the posts at one setting. I think you would see some things that you have missed. We all do that. I know I have. And I will again.
I don't know you. I just know that some of your posts here show a different person than you claim to be at times.
Jonb may have attacked you personally and I missed it. It is almost impossible to read every post here unless you stayed full time here.
All I can go on is what I have read and you are extremely caustic to Jonb and some of the others in attacking them personally.
Please stay on the issues and debate them. It is much more informative that way for everyone.
I think I owe everyone on the board and you too, Chimera an apology. I became extremely hateful and downright vulgar in response to Chimera's views, however horrible I personally found them to be. I have deleted my two most recent posts and ask Chimera to delete the ones he quoted. I had completely forgotten Chimera's age in my haste to be as provacotive and equally as hateful as possible and I was totally in error in responding to a child in this manner. It was a mistake I shall not repeat again, regardless of how outraged I become at people's opinions and political leanings in this very frightening time.
Again, my most sincere apologies and regrets for my behavior.
Again, my most sincere apologies and regrets for my behavior.
- Pye,
I had stopped reading this post when things seemed to get of hand-- people are raised differently and that comes with a different belief system. All are affected by geographic location and life experiences. Some of our overseas friends must have been looking at this post and were disgusted.
I know I was embarrassed for you guys that this could have gotten so out of hand. This is a support group-- and if there is something you don't like-- don't contribute to it the post- there will be nothing to fan the flames that seemed to have exploded here.
Personally I am an atheist -- I just believe that we are here to be good to each other. If you pick apart any religion that's what they come down to. No other rules than that-- be good to each other.
With that I'll shut up.
I know I was embarrassed for you guys that this could have gotten so out of hand. This is a support group-- and if there is something you don't like-- don't contribute to it the post- there will be nothing to fan the flames that seemed to have exploded here.
Personally I am an atheist -- I just believe that we are here to be good to each other. If you pick apart any religion that's what they come down to. No other rules than that-- be good to each other.
With that I'll shut up.
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I don't think you should make assumptions about me.
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[/b][/quote]Chimera, I've been offline for a couple days, but I did want to respond to this. I quoted the response you posted to me when I made the above statements, it was the post I quoted from you to me to which I was responding, so how can you say I waited until you were responding to someone else when I posted something you said directly to me?
As it turns out, I like white people a hell of a lot, hell I even have white friends! I am half-white myself and can trace my ancestry back nine generations directly to Germany, my mother was the first person in her whole family to marry outside her nationality (all Germans before that). My own daughter's father is a white guy, so I'm certainly not "anti-white" at all, once again, I'm "anti white-supremacy".
How can I defend anti-white racism???? Are you serious? I have never defended ANY kind of racism, and I don't discount what you may have experienced at school. What baffles me is how YOU can experience something like that, knowing how awful it feels, and then go on to deny that racism against blacks hinders or harms them in any way. I don't know exactly what you believe about racism against blacks, but many white supremacists deny that it even exists or is a problem, and THAT'S a crock of shit! As a person only partially dark, I can assure you that racism is alive and well, I have experienced firsthand being denied jobs, being threatened in my home (by gang members in white sheets with torches in my front yard, presumably belonging to a long term group that you so stupidly say was disbanded. Funny, it's harder to believe stupidity when they are in YOUR front yard chanting "Nigger, go home!" This happened in 1999, Parkersurg WV, so don't tell ME the KKK is over or not doing little "deeds"). I had a store owner refuse to sell me a bottle of soda and tell me I could use the machine outside in the back of the store! It was broken, btw.
I am not white enough to have experienced anti-white racism, but I have no problem believing it exists! Since I believe ALL people are fairly similar, I am equally willing to accept that many minorities are just as big assholes as the majority, which IS white here. I am not against white people in any form, I am ONLY against white supremacy and white only rule of our country. You have posted many times on this board in favor of white supremacy, so it is that specific thing that I object to every time we disagree.
Racial guilt? Sorta. I believe that the injustices to blacks IN THIS COUNTRY have been carried on long past the time when we could have been over it. We've had since the Civil (?) War to integrate everyone into society and have done less than a stellar job. I agree that it has not all been by design on the part of the rich white people in power, but one must also be alert enough to realise that just because something is ugly doesn't make it untrue. Yes, much HAS been done intentionally to keep black people down. This is just a fact of our society, I share in the blame as much as anyone else. In order to correct an injustice, one must first be able to identify it.
I DO NOT believe in preferential treatment, lowering standards, racial quotas and the like, but it is very hard to legislate morality! You can't pass a law that says "You must hire the most qualified candidate regardless of race, gender, religion, nationality" and the like, and then just expect racist sexist people to just do it! See, that's what we've been doing so far and people just won't play nice. Then we pass laws to try to force people to be humane to each other and they balk about preferential treatment. The problem is, that a lot of people actually DO believe that white people are superior, smarter, better equipped to handle everything under the sun, so how do you get THOSE people to behave? You can't, really. In our utter frustration, we say, "Okay dammit, you HAVE to hire xxx black people, xxx women, xxx latinos, or we'll shut down your factory". This is the worst solution possible, it insults everyone involved- the black man, because it assumes he is incapable of finding work, the woman, because it assumes she is twice handicapped, the white man, because it assmunes he is a greedy pig (which many are NOT, they are just trying to feed their families like everyone else). In an utopian society, the jobs would go to the most qualified PERSON, but we are so far from that level of capability in our current world, do you suggest we stick our heads in the sand and ignore WHAT IS in preference of WHAT SHOULD BE?
Chimera, I argue with you BECAUSE you are young. I hope that through your years you will hone and define your personal principles in a maner that will serve you well in your future. I have no problem with people having different opinions from myself, but when I am basically defending the principle of "live and let live" and someone comes along and says "Hell no!", that is troublesome.
I quoted the above post, because three times in there, you accused me of defending anti-white racism, although I'm sure you will never ba able to provide one instance of my actually doing so. I DO NOT defend ANY racism. Just because when I am talking about one topic, I STAY on topic does not imply or infer anything else about any of my other beliefs! You end your post by suggesting I not make assuptions about you, well sorry, that's what I do. I spend inordinate amounts of time (honestly!
thinking about other people's motivations and the reasons for said. From individuals, I move to groups of thinkers and sometimes societies. This is social psychology, and a subject which fascinates me to no end. You are posting volumes of your personal thoughts on a public forum, don't be surprised that people will read them and make attempts to understand why you think as you do!Once again, EQUALITY means I'm free to make my choices, you are free to make yours. Our government treats us ALL the same in terms of taxation, inheritance, insurance, job opportunity, voting. At this moment, that is more the Democratic view than Republican. "We find these truths to be self evident, that ALL men were created equal"- yeah I know they didn't really mean it, but it sure sounds nice.
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Jonathan, you will be hard pressed to find an adult who will treat the young with more respect than myself, I think. Part of this came from raising an exceptional child, but a large part of me believes that if we (as adults) treated our children with respect from the beginning, more children would be exceptional. I don't discount the quality of your opinions because of your age, nor do I try to talk down to you because of it. Yes, I snap and make biting remarks to you, but my conversational style is the same with the adults with whom I engage in these kinds of discussions. I don't think that you need me to soften up on you nor would you want it.
I find it very helpful when we get down to the brass tacks and disclose what it is we really feel, now we have somewhere to go. Segregation already failed, we already have historical experience that proves separate is NOT equal, so I have a hard time entertaining the notion that a forward thinking person such as yourself is actually able to approach such an issue with any degree of seriousness.
With racial guilt, I believe that what has been done needs to be acknowledged before we can move past it. I do not believe in any form of repayment, things suck sometimes and people have to get over it, but it is good when a government can separate itself from the mistakes of the past by apologising and then turning away from the bad behavior of the past. I do NOT buy into the whole concept of racial guilt, I just wanted to clarify that.
As for segregation, it becomes nonsensical when you start to realise how unclean MOST of our bloodlines are! There would be a small neighborhood for the "all whities" a smaller neighborhood for the "all blackies" and the rest of the freaking country for the rest of us mixed-breeds who don't give a shit about either one. Your opinions put you in the extreme minority for very good reason- they are insane! I really do hope you'll go back to your drawing board and draft some ideas with your intelligent mind that have a) a possibility of working and B) have some possible social relevance. To just spout off theories of practises already failed (miserably, I might add) does not do you justice, I honestly believe you are capable of better.
I am glad that you are open enough to discuss things, it shows potential (not trying to be derrogatory here) that makes me somewhat hopeful. I have more to gain from seeing you enriched than you have from me. You are young and will one day be where I am, my future is far more dependant on you than yours is on me. If you can one day take the feelings you have concerning the ways in which you've felt threatened or discriminated against and apply them to your life in such a way as to decide that no one should ever have to feel that way, that would be some growth indeed. I honestly believe that what you are expressing now is in reaction to negative stimulus, and perhaps one of the stages you must exhaust to come out with more assimilated views. Then again, everything I say could be wrong. Jana
I find it very helpful when we get down to the brass tacks and disclose what it is we really feel, now we have somewhere to go. Segregation already failed, we already have historical experience that proves separate is NOT equal, so I have a hard time entertaining the notion that a forward thinking person such as yourself is actually able to approach such an issue with any degree of seriousness.
With racial guilt, I believe that what has been done needs to be acknowledged before we can move past it. I do not believe in any form of repayment, things suck sometimes and people have to get over it, but it is good when a government can separate itself from the mistakes of the past by apologising and then turning away from the bad behavior of the past. I do NOT buy into the whole concept of racial guilt, I just wanted to clarify that.
As for segregation, it becomes nonsensical when you start to realise how unclean MOST of our bloodlines are! There would be a small neighborhood for the "all whities" a smaller neighborhood for the "all blackies" and the rest of the freaking country for the rest of us mixed-breeds who don't give a shit about either one. Your opinions put you in the extreme minority for very good reason- they are insane! I really do hope you'll go back to your drawing board and draft some ideas with your intelligent mind that have a) a possibility of working and B) have some possible social relevance. To just spout off theories of practises already failed (miserably, I might add) does not do you justice, I honestly believe you are capable of better.
I am glad that you are open enough to discuss things, it shows potential (not trying to be derrogatory here) that makes me somewhat hopeful. I have more to gain from seeing you enriched than you have from me. You are young and will one day be where I am, my future is far more dependant on you than yours is on me. If you can one day take the feelings you have concerning the ways in which you've felt threatened or discriminated against and apply them to your life in such a way as to decide that no one should ever have to feel that way, that would be some growth indeed. I honestly believe that what you are expressing now is in reaction to negative stimulus, and perhaps one of the stages you must exhaust to come out with more assimilated views. Then again, everything I say could be wrong. Jana
As usual jonb you are able to present yourself as one of the biggest assholes that has ever existed. The fact that my ideas differ from yours does not give you the right to summarily compare me to the KKK, Aryan Nations and other groups. The only groups I have ever belonged to were The Boy Scouts (yes a queer got in there!
, The Methodist Church (I left because I do not care much for organized religion), The NRA (about 5 years while drinking heavily), the ALA (Amalgamated Lithographers--it's a union in case it is beyond your all engulfing egotistical brain power limitations), and of course as many know I am currently a member of AA(alcoholics anonymous--although telling this to people here probably with your vast levels of wisdom violates all sorts of things). I am, as much as it may horrify you to find out, also a member of The Democratic Party. You got it Sherlock--I'm registered as a Democrat. Although I support certain Republican candidates and their platforms, I have never been able to bring myself to registering as a Republican. What does this do to your plans? Now you get to see that even a registered Democrat, a one-legged QUEER of below national average income levels, is in support of the political party which you have made it your life mission to loathe. Oh, did I also mention that I currently live in Democratic Territory? As for my name, you can believe it to be real or you can deny it until your teeth fall out, I clearly cannot force you to believe anything since most deranged morons are unable to believe anything, even the things they spout from their yaps so I am well aware that you are incapable of such thought process.. All you ever do jonb is respond to each and every fucking post as if you are the second coming of who knows what. No matter what anyone says you have to respond, usually to contradict whoever has posted. Sure you've amassed a happy little band of followers who worship your every word and move but how long will it last before you find you've got to dose them all with poisoned Kool-Aid before they alert the public of your true nature?
You want to accuse me and others of predjudice eh? I of course cannot speak for others but let me remind you of my particular history. I come from a rather large background which includes a piece of Jewish heritage, heritage which also includes a portion of my grandfather's family being killed off under Hitler and some heritage of unknown origins since I had an adopted parent, someone who had a heritage we knew nothing about. He could have been Italian, Greek, Spanish Native American, Martian, Peruvian, French or anything else or a massive conglomeration of inheritance. What this boils down to oh wise and immensely insipid one, is that an early age I found no reason of any sort to justify judging persons according to religion, race, height, body build or the such. I attack persons directly on their ideas and that is all there is to it and when I launch my attack I go primarily with two things--the feeling in my gut and also what my beliefs are. I am as I have indicated repeatedly entitled to my ideas, just as you are entitled to yours. Will we ever be able to see eye to eye? I doubt it because you are to much of an idiot to see beyond your sick and sanctimonious self.
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[/b][/quote]Very interesting that Onslow has not responded to my earlier post to him. At the risk of being redundant again, I repeat, "ditto."
None of your vitriol in my direction, Onslow? I'm deeply hurt.
It amazes me that with so many intelligent people on this board, when a topic like this one comes up, so many of the posts appear to be from members who are blind in one eye, and can't see out of the other one.
And some of these racist/racial/"equality" arguments sound like they were written by opposing sides on the West Bank, then just simply edited to change the names from "jew and palestinian" to "white and non-white."
"He bombed my house, so I gotta bomb two of his." "He bombed two of my houses, so I gotta bomb four of his." "He got one special right, so I gotta get two special rights."
Why does it always have to boil down to one-upmanship (of course, always under the guise of "I'm not getting ahead, I'm catching up!"
Of course, no one has taken up my challenge regarding rights. Is anyone on this thread TRULY comfortable with equality under the law? Somehow, I have a sneaking suspicion that the prevalent opinion is "well, I guess it's OK for them to have a few rights, as long as I have a lot more rights than they do."
And some of these racist/racial/"equality" arguments sound like they were written by opposing sides on the West Bank, then just simply edited to change the names from "jew and palestinian" to "white and non-white."
"He bombed my house, so I gotta bomb two of his." "He bombed two of my houses, so I gotta bomb four of his." "He got one special right, so I gotta get two special rights."
Why does it always have to boil down to one-upmanship (of course, always under the guise of "I'm not getting ahead, I'm catching up!"
Of course, no one has taken up my challenge regarding rights. Is anyone on this thread TRULY comfortable with equality under the law? Somehow, I have a sneaking suspicion that the prevalent opinion is "well, I guess it's OK for them to have a few rights, as long as I have a lot more rights than they do."
Wow, how do these threads go off-topic and decay into race wars and partisan politics so quickly and easily?
DrRock, I don't really care who owns/operates/maintains the servers, as long as the First Amendment is applied. If the government retains control, and turns the censorship demon loose, then we will simply have to inundate the legislators with mail, and remind them who pays their salaries.
DrRock, I don't really care who owns/operates/maintains the servers, as long as the First Amendment is applied. If the government retains control, and turns the censorship demon loose, then we will simply have to inundate the legislators with mail, and remind them who pays their salaries.
Considering that I went at jonb only after being lumped into a post in which I was compared to Aryan Nation members, The KKK and I was listed as 'being puerile as usual'; I find there is no reason to have to further explain myself and yet I will. Did I react with and from anger? Yes. Was it wrong? Perhaps. The level of anger was clearly too much; however there was and is no reason for me to just sit back and smile while I am dragged through the mud.
If you read my post, you will notice that I made clear that I am not looking to play a race card. It was brought in along with religion and the such only because I was tossed in with the KKK and other such groups. I made clear in my statements that in part at least due to my variety of inherited cultures I have never been able to justify judging people on their physical being or ethnic background or religious belief. What I respond to is ideas which I don't agree with. I also respond to attacks made directly at and upon me. I do not agree completely with everything that the Republican Party says, nor do I agree with everything that The Democratic Party says or has to offer. I take some things from both sides and that is who I am.
As for The Methodist Church, I did not say that they are not loving, what I said was that I left the Church because I myself--me--I do not believe in organized religion. I had issues with the Methodist Church, yes and I have issues with other religious organizations as well but aside from the difficulty of seeing how the Methodist Church is proceeding with the matter of ordaining homosexuals as ministers (Washington State she gets to stay, Pennsylvania she is removed--The Church itself seems at odds with its own interpretations of its laws) I have a fairly good view of the Methodist Church and I have never doubted that they are a loving group of people even if I do not wish to be part of their Church. Please Freddie, it is not about whether they are loving or not. That is not why I left them.
I don't know, maybe jonb decided to use the 'puerile' statement because I commented to DrRock (who started this whole fiasco) that I found it strange that someone who professes to have no interest in this matter has spent so much time and energy on it. He denies it; however he did start the topic and has spent a fair amount of time here but that is another matter.
I suppose Freddie I should just become a namby-pamby yes man and never respond to anything in this entire forum unless I can wholeheartedly agree with the ideas presented to me.
Your points earlier were too much on target for me to handle. Yes, you were correct in stating that my name calling brought me onto the same level of those I am attacking for doing that.
As for what took me so long to respond--would you believe I have selective eyesight? I for whatever reason did not initially see your post and so had to go back and find it. What else can I say?
Your points earlier were too much on target for me to handle. Yes, you were correct in stating that my name calling brought me onto the same level of those I am attacking for doing that.
As for what took me so long to respond--would you believe I have selective eyesight? I for whatever reason did not initially see your post and so had to go back and find it. What else can I say?
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[/b][/quote]Thanks, Onslow. Trust me, though, the fact that you are not the only one calling names in here has NOT escaped me, just that you gave me some of the best examples.
I'm trying to get everyone here to try to tone down the emotional aspects when they are posting on the serious subjects, and examine their own postings as well as they do the postings of others. The emotional knee-jerk reactions are EXACTLY what prevents any helpful, meaningful dialog and progress in the right direction. And also EXACTLY what perpetuates the racial tirades back and forth in both directions.
Should you roll over and play dead? HELL NO. But if someone resorts to name-calling, try doing what I did in my post... don't call names back, simply point out the logical fallicy in their post, and challenge them to substantiate their claims. It really is more satisfying to "out-logic" someone, than it is to "out-scream" them.
Uh, anyone else reading this post, besides Onslow, wanna take me up on this challenge? I challenge several times a day on LPSG, and so RARELY have any takers... what's up?
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Kink and Jon TX,
I am proud of both of you. I consider both of you friends.
Kink, I know your character and identiy so much with you as we are only three years apart in age. We both have some of the same hurts and feeling just because we have been through the same history for some 50 years. You are an icon that I look up to greatly and have so much admirartion.
Jon TX, I know you have character still being developed. You are quite a debater and writer. You are like a son. We all forget you are 15 at times. A lot of your debating skills comes from debating your parents. You have fun with it. I suspect in the end you will agree with them on many issues. But the debating skills you devleop can be priceless if you use them correctly and wisely.
They will bring you some A's in college for sure if you don't overdo the debating.
I want both of you to know that our character isn't built upon the mistakes we make, it is built on how react to the mistakes we have made.
You both made an A plus on this partiular situation.
I love you both,
Freddie
madame_zora
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You could be right. I really appreciate that you took the time to right out the replies to me.
I know I have made far too many threads into arguments over racial issues, and for that I apologize. I can appreciate people who take the time to pwn me in a debate though.
Who knows? Maybe I'll get more than just mental growth.
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[/b][/quote]Um, was that a dick reference? I didn't think 15 yr olds had penises!