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Have any of you guys been paying attention to the drama surrounding the latest Marvel superhero movie, Captain Marvel?

Brie Larson Controversy Explained: Why People Are Hating on the 'Captain Marvel' Star

To make a long story short a bunch of people online have had it in for the film because of some comments the film's star, Brie Larson, made about making the press for movies more inclusive. This made a bunch of people really angry and they called for a boycott of the movie and hundreds of angry YouTube videos were made about the how horrible Brie Larson is and how Captain Marvel will flop.

Now the movie has released and done fairly well, at least in its opening weekend, so the boycott people have gone full conspiracy and are saying that Disney is faking the box office numbers for Captain Marvel. Something that would probably be investor fraud.

Disney Lying About Captain Marvel Box Office Numbers?

It is a whole stupid thing.

Something similar happened with Ghostbusters a few years back. And Star Wars. It seems like movies have become a popular battleground for the culture wars between social progressives and conservatives.

What do you guys think of this? Is it all stupid? Do these people need to grow the fuck up? Or is this a necessary conflict to defend male identity and western culture?
 
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These days, it's special effects. Gawn are the days where Star Ship captains wrestled with morals and all.

I'm looking forward to it though. I like going to the cinema, vegging out, eating popcorn, icecream. I do miss rolling jaffas down the isle though. Guess with age...is that someone could do a back injury.
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It's stupid and people need to grow the fuck up.

If they don't like seeing a character portrayed in a certain way, they don't have to fucking watch it. If they can't accept that other people ENJOY seeing the change that's on them, and their parents who did a shit job of raising their kids.

If they can't let go of their pathetic sentimental BULLSHIT for a two hour movie they are the perfect example of fuckin First World Problems.

Fuckin snowflakes. Do they need a safe space? : unamused:
 
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It's stupid and people need to grow the fuck up.

If they don't like seeing a character portrayed in a certain way, they don't have to fucking watch it. If they can't accept that other people ENJOY seeing the change that's on them, and their parents who did a shit job of raising their kids.

If they can't let go of their pathetic sentimental BULLSHIT for a two hour movie they are the perfect example of fuckin First World Problems.

Fuckin snowflakes. Do they need a safe space? : unamused:

Can I hold your hand?
 

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It's stupid and people need to grow the fuck up.

If they don't like seeing a character portrayed in a certain way, they don't have to fucking watch it. If they can't accept that other people ENJOY seeing the change that's on them, and their parents who did a shit job of raising their kids.

If they can't let go of their pathetic sentimental BULLSHIT for a two hour movie they are the perfect example of fuckin First World Problems.

Fuckin snowflakes. Do they need a safe space? : unamused:

I agree. This is one of the most stupid controversies I have seen in a while.

What is interesting is the way these people seem to feed on the anger and negativity. I mean, if I don't want to see a movie, I don't watch the movie. But these people just spent weeks building themselves up like this was the worst thing ever and that it was going to kill Disney as a company. It is just like in Star Wars fandom where people are still complaining about the Last Jedi. Years after its release.

It is weird.
 

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I love how conservatives online blather on about how they’re not going to see Captain Marvel..... and it goes on to open to record breaking numbers.

How is that boycott against Samuel L Jackson working? How well as any “boycott” against a star over their liberal beliefs worked out?

Beyond any shadow of a doubt, conservatives are losing the Culture War. As has every conservative group in the history of these “wars” since humanity existed. Time’s arrow always goes forward.
 
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And specifically as far as Captain Marvel is concerned..... how insane is it that the *first* female Marvel superhero movie is somehow a SJW or whatever movie simply because it’s about a woman, and marketed toward Women?

It’s okay that they emphasized and celebrated the fact that this is their first solo-star, female hero after dozens of male hero movies. It’s really okay and not « femmniazi » or anti-male.

And can someone please direct me to the shocking and offensive things Brie Larson said or did? Cause I’m not seeing it.
 

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Have any of you guys been paying attention to the drama surrounding the latest Marvel superhero movie, Captain Marvel?

Brie Larson Controversy Explained: Why People Are Hating on the 'Captain Marvel' Star

To make a long story short a bunch of people online have had it in for the film because of some comments the film's star, Brie Larson, made about making the press for movies more inclusive. This made a bunch of people really angry and they called for a boycott of the movie and hundreds of angry YouTube videos were made about the how horrible Brie Larson is and how Captain Marvel will flop.

Now the movie has released and done fairly well, at least in its opening weekend, so the boycott people have gone full conspiracy and are saying that Disney is faking the box office numbers for Captain Marvel. Something that would probably be investor fraud.

Disney Lying About Captain Marvel Box Office Numbers?

It is a whole stupid thing.

Something similar happened with Ghostbusters a few years back. And Star Wars. It seems like movies have become a popular battleground for the culture wars between social progressives and conservatives.

What do you guys think of this? Is it all stupid? Do these people need to grow the fuck up? Or is this a necessary conflict to defend male identity and western culture?

I would not consider the people caught up in the culture war around this to be reflective of male identity. It's like how some sperm are normally formed and some are defective with two tails and shit... these are defective guys :p

An actress made some stupid remarks. That's not really news, nor is it worthy of all this psychotic raving.

I haven't seen Captain Marvel. I'll catch it on HBO. I still want to see Spiderman into the Spiderverse.
 

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I would not consider the people caught up in the culture war around this to be reflective of male identity. It's like how some sperm are normally formed and some are defective with two tails and shit... these are defective guys :p

An actress made some stupid remarks. That's not really news, nor is it worthy of all this psychotic raving.

I haven't seen Captain Marvel. I'll catch it on HBO. I still want to see Spiderman into the Spiderverse.

I think we have had this talk before about the alt-right, but I think you are underestimating the role these situations are playing in the current cultural zeitgeist.

These people acted like the world was falling apart because a woman promoted diversity in the press for a movie. They are claiming a conspiracy when said movie doesn't fail. These kinds of reactions are a sign of something very wrong in society.

BTW, Into the Spiderverse was amazing. I would highly recommend renting it on Vudu.
 

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These people acted like the world was falling apart because a woman promoted diversity in the press for a movie.

She didn't promote diversity in the noble sense of the word. She was sexist and racist in the way that some on the left can be,

They are claiming a conspiracy when said movie doesn't fail.

Like I said, defective men.

These kinds of reactions are a sign of something very wrong in society.

Sure, agreed. Jordan Peterson talks about this a lot. Others do as well. But those guys are the broken ones, so in this context, it's not a "necessary" conflict which is what you asked about in your original post. On the contrary, it's one of those things where sane people look at the drama and say "Was all of that really necessary?"

BTW, Into the Spiderverse was amazing. I would highly recommend renting it on Vudu.

Yeah, haven't heard anyone who saw it describe it as anything less than fantastic. I want to catch it in a second run theater. I heard it's one of those movies you should really see on the big screen if you can.
 

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She didn't promote diversity in the noble sense of the word. She was sexist and racist in the way that some on the left can be,



Like I said, defective men.



Sure, agreed. Jordan Peterson talks about this a lot. Others do as well. But those guys are the broken ones, so in this context, it's not a "necessary" conflict which is what you asked about in your original post. On the contrary, it's one of those things where sane people look at the drama and say "Was all of that really necessary?"



Yeah, haven't heard anyone who saw it describe it as anything less than fantastic. I want to catch it in a second run theater. I heard it's one of those movies you should really see on the big screen if you can.

The quotes I've seen weren't really sexist or racist though. Kinda silly? Sure. But maybe I haven't seen all of her quotes. Can you point me in the right direction?

The men complaining about this are broken, but I think there is a deeper problem below the surface. Sane people might not be getting mad at Brie Larson, but look at who the president is. Look at the right as a whole. Something is deeply wrong.
 

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The quotes I've seen weren't really sexist or racist though. Kinda silly? Sure. But maybe I haven't seen all of her quotes. Can you point me in the right direction?

Not offhand, but they boil down to "My movie would've been better reviewed if the critics weren't represented by a huge bunch of white dudes because this movie isn't for white dudes and white dudes won't get it".

I don't think her remarks were even worth commenting on (you're the one who started the thread about it), but since you raised the topic and were soliciting feedback, that's my assessment.

The men complaining about this are broken, but I think there is a deeper problem below the surface. Sane people might not be getting mad at Brie Larson, but look at who the president is. Look at the right as a whole. Something is deeply wrong.

Sure, I already agreed with you. Is there a deeper question you're trying to ask?
 

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I think people need to grow the fuck up. I'm a white male and I fully understood what she meant. The only people who can't grasp that either are dense or just looking for something to be mad about. When the first trailer came out and the end of it says something like It begins with her, then her turns into hero, people were bitching about that. Saying it was sexist and too SJW and feminazi and all that. I can't imagine being so fucking triggered by a pronoun.
 
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Nolte: Four Mega-Franchises and a Woke Lecture Die at the Box Office

It seems that "wokeness", feminism and the homosexual agenda are being blamed by the right for the failure of some recent films.

I know most here don't see the importance of this kind of thing, but I really do think that articles like this point to a much larger societal conflict. There is a narrative being pushed to men, particularly white men, that they are under attack and this is part of that.
 
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I'm not so sure the reason for the struggling numbers at the box office is politics.

I'm probably alone in my opinion on this, but people tend to have a short attention span and memory about controversial things when it comes to celebrities. All is forgiven and forgotten in no time. I guarantee you next month or the one after that, people will have forgotten that stunt Jussie Smollett pulled and he'll be in another movie or show, like nothing ever happened. Just you watch.

I'm more inclined to believe that the continuing factors for this are: creative bankruptcy and lack of imagination on the part of Hollywood (everything is either a remake, rehash or another sequel); focus on actors' sexiness and CGI as opposed to genuine acting chops and believable stories; focus on expensive, effects-laden blockbusters and summer "popcorn" entertainment; and exorbitant and extortionate overpricing at the theatres (who wants to take a second mortgage out on their house just to get a coke and popcorn?).

Meanwhile, movie makers will plead poverty and loudly blame movie piracy for their woes, when the blame lies on them and their all-consuming greed and give-no-fucks attitude.

Soapbox diatribe over.
 

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Nolte: Four Mega-Franchises and a Woke Lecture Die at the Box Office

It seems that "wokeness", feminism and the homosexual agenda are being blamed by the right for the failure of some recent films.

I know most here don't see the importance of this kind of thing, but I really do think that articles like this point to a much larger societal conflict. There is a narrative being pushed to men, particularly white men, that they are under attack and this is part of that.


Roughly thirty-seven seconds after Donald J. Trump was elected, movies ceased to be about entertainment. Masterpiece classics filmed over a half-century ago like Mad Mad Mad Mad World or lighthearted situational comedies like Good Neighbor Sam are relics from the 1960s that could never get the green light today. Why? Because every movie, television show and TV commercial must have a heavy-handed progressive message even if it's on a subliminal level. Whatever your political persuasion, do you want to fork-out $$ and be impaled with mind-numbing propaganda for ninety-minutes or two hours?

It seems viewers are finally voting with their entertainment dollars: ‘Men in Black: International’ Flops With $25M Opening As Sequelitis Prevails At Box Office – Deadline
 
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Roughly thirty-seven seconds after Donald J. Trump was elected, movies ceased to be about entertainment. Masterpiece classics filmed over a half-century ago like Mad Mad Mad Mad World or lighthearted situational comedies like Good Neighbor Sam are relics from the 1960s that could never get the green light today. Why? Because every movie, television show and TV commercial must have a heavy-handed progressive message even if it's on a subliminal level. Whatever your political persuasion, do you want to fork-out $$ and be impaled with mind-numbing propaganda for ninety-minutes or two hours?

It seems viewers are finally voting with their entertainment dollars: ‘Men in Black: International’ Flops With $25M Opening As Sequelitis Prevails At Box Office – Deadline

Absolutely. Regardless of your political persuasion, it is an incontrovertible fact that Hollywood has been trying to shove propaganda and messages down or throats for years and some people are fed up with it. Myself included. I want to watch a film and be entertained, not be brainwashed or proselytized or cajoled.

Count that as another reason their box office numbers are down.
 
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