Mueller credibility

[phonehome]

I watched enough of Trump in rallies and other speeches to see that he had no clue how the US government actually worked, what it did, how it did it and what it did not do and that he also had no idea what a president could do "on his own" and what he could not do

He honestly seemed to think it was going to be just like Trump ORG where he just said jump and everyone said how high.

As he said to that one TV interviewer "I am the only one that matters"

That he could impose his X% tarriffs against JUST Nabisco or Oreo's and against JUST Ford and what ever cars they were going to make in Mexico (assuming they ever shipped them to the US) against JUST Carrier and not ALL cookies or maybe "Oreo type cookies" or ALL cars or maybe certain type of car.

I knew he was full of shit and soon enough we would all see that and said so at the time but you could not get the Trumpian's to hear that, No with them it was all "he's business man" "he's a billionaire" He's a this He's a that

 

[phonehome]

When it comes out that he was fucking Hope Hicks or someone else since he has been President as Michael Wolfe suggested the Trumpians will not give shit and "evangelical leaders" will AGAIN say he gets a mulligan

 

[phonehome]

Lets see if we adopt Trumpian logic

Having sex CONSENTUAL SEX with a 20 something woman even in the WH "is not a crime"

 

[tripod]

Lets see if we adopt Trumpian logic

Having sex CONSENTUAL SEX with a 20 something woman even in the WH "is not a crime"

Nobody ever said it was a crime, that is YOUR FUCKING STRAWMAN.

All I ever said was "Having CONSENTUAL SEX with a 20 something woman even in the WH is more of a disaster than fucking a porn star prior to taking office".

More of a disaster... not that it was somehow illegal.

 

[Braalian82]

Nobody ever said it was a crime, that is YOUR FUCKING STRAWMAN.

All I ever said was "Having CONSENTUAL SEX with a 20 something woman even in the WH is more of a disaster than fucking a porn star prior to taking office".

More of a disaster... not that it was somehow illegal.

You realize that the troublesome aspect for Trump is that he illegally used campaign money to try to pay for silence. No one gives a shit how many porn stars he paid for sex.

 

[tripod]

You realize that the troublesome aspect for Trump is that he illegally used campaign money to try to pay for silence. No one gives a shit how many porn stars he paid for sex.

I don't give a shit about the Stormy Daniels schtick. It's under my radar. I simply haven't been able to give a fuck about it.

 

[phonehome]

Well it is probable that way more than 80,000 spread over 3 states would have and that was by Trump made sure they never found out.

 

[deleted15807]

But if you watch Fox news tonight, why NOTHING happened in any Federal Court today.

it is all "live coverage" of his therapy session AKA "campaign rally" in WV and talk about all the usual "greatest hits" Imigration , ICE you name it anything but mention a conviction and guilty plea

Yep over at StateTV Foxy News was busy chasing the usual...minorities and/or illegals. Really double plus good if they are illegal AND a minority. This is how you get a nation of clueless Kool-Aiders.

 

[deleted15807]

But did anyone really imagine that it would be as disastrous as it's turned out to be? You couldn't make this stuff up. If it was farce it wouldn't even be believable.

I did and I'm expecting things to get a lot worse. Everything about him was well I'll let Elaine say it:

And the deplorables bought it while millions sat home.

 

[b.c.]

But did anyone really imagine that it would be as disastrous as it's turned out to be? You couldn't make this stuff up. If it was farce it wouldn't even be believable.

Actually I expected worse. However, "night's" still young.

 

[Braalian82]

I don't give a shit about the Stormy Daniels schtick. It's under my radar. I simply haven't been able to give a fuck about it.

And yet you seem to think Clinton lying about getting a blowjob is somehow worse than lying AND using campaign money to payoff a pornstar. You’re very capricious about what you care about.

 

[phonehome]

And they are all "well Clinton lied under oath"

Well did he ?

Really?

By all reports I am aware of the two of them never had actual vaginal sex

Now you ask most or at least plenty of women who were teenage girls in the 90's the "promise ring generation" who more than anyone despite giving blow jobs for years insisted they had not yet had sex and that they were still "virgins" and coined the term "it's was just oral"

 

[tripod]

And yet you seem to think Clinton lying about getting a blowjob is somehow worse than lying AND using campaign money to payoff a pornstar. You’re very capricious about what you care about.

Wrong again.

The issue isn't what "I care about" but what is the bigger disaster. A two year sexual affair with a young intern featuring oval office blowjobs and pumping cigars in and out of her snatch just seems crazier and more salacious to me than Trump being extorted by a two bit porn star.

I don't "care" either way... I don't have a dog in this fight. What Trump does or did with Stormy Daniels doesn't interest me as was Clinton's affair(s). I turned the channel whenever that shit was on plus I was a young man and wasn't paying attention to CNN and reading USA Today on the regular.

The campaign finance thing is certainly something of weight and consequence but it is extremely complicated.

Again, I don't care enough to even follow it. If Trump is removed from office for some sort of campaign finance reform... I just don't fucking care.

It's not an emotional thing for me like it is for you... Trump bores me. He doesn't excite my lizard brain while eliciting extra flows of adrenalin to flow through my veins due to Trump Derangement Syndrome. i don't fucking have that mental illness like soooooo many do here on this forum and in the streets and homes of America.

That said, I do fear a Pence "Christian Supremacist" presidency more than I feared an insane orange clown.

 

[Klingsor]

Trump's a crook; always has been. Those who supported him knew it and didn't care; they know it now, and still support him. Nothing new there.

The difference is, now his lawyer, under oath, has told a federal judge that Trump committed felony campaign finance law violations. And this is likely to be just the beginning of revelations about Trump's criminal activity as his former henchmen, now convicted felons themselves, spill the beans.

Trump will still keep his rabid, fawning base no matter what. But the larger public outcry against him will grow even stronger, and the rats will jump his sinking ship, like we've seen already.

 

[Novaboy]

Nonsense.

Trump fucking a porn star prior to his presidency is nothing compared to Clinton fucking a goddamn intern over two long years... getting his dick sucked in the oval office... screwing her with cigars etc (If Trump did what Clinton did, he would have been drawn and quartered by now).

THAT was a fucking disaster.

or for an ACTUAL DISASTER... G.W. Bush & Mueller's 9/11

I totally agree that Bush and his WMDs was indeed a disaster. They took a gamble and lost terribly. I was proud that Canada did not buy into their "'presentation and joint the coalition.

However, as far as the disaster of Trump goes.....Stormy is probably on the low end of what I refer to.

Constant lies, name calling, bullying, mistreating allies, sucking up to dictators, tariffs as a weapon (because Canada is somehow a thread to national security), racist behaviour, fighting against health care, vendetta against Obama, destroying the environment, appointing completely unqualified people (Betsy D!!) pardoning friends and people that appeal to his base and on and on and on....notice I didn't even get to the Mueller (and don't say he's come up with nothing because no one knows what he's got yet) Manafort or his crazy team of thug lawyers and advisors. He's an embarrassment on the world stage where he is barely tolerated because other world leaders understand respect and deplomacy. He has brought laughter, shame and embarrassment to your country. He likes to claim that "no one is laughing at us now!"....well I got news for you the world is laughing at him and your country for electing someone who right from the beginning was labelled as "Unfit to hold office". It has been proven to be true time and again and is only going to get worse.

 

[Industrialsize]

This new ad from Republicans for the Rule of Law pointing out that no, the Muller investigation is not a witch hunt, will run Thursday and Friday on Fox and Friends and Morning Joe in selected markets (including in D.C., so the president can have a look).

 

[Novaboy]

Nonsense.

Trump fucking a porn star prior to his presidency is nothing compared to Clinton fucking a goddamn intern over two long years... getting his dick sucked in the oval office... screwing her with cigars etc (If Trump did what Clinton did, he would have been drawn and quartered by now).

THAT was a fucking disaster.

or for an ACTUAL DISASTER... G.W. Bush & Mueller's 9/11

I totally agree that Bush and his WMDs was indeed a disaster. They took a gamble and lost terribly. I was proud that Canada did not buy into their "'presentation and joint the coalition.

However, as far as the disaster of Trump goes.....Stormy is probably on the low end of what I refer to.

Constant lies, name calling, bullying, mistreating allies, sucking up to dictators, tariffs as a weapon (because Canada is somehow a thread to national security), racist behaviour, fighting against health care, vendetta against Obama, destroying the environment, appointing completely unqualified people (Betsy D!!) pardoning friends and people that appeal to his base and on and on and on....notice I didn't even get to the Mueller (and don't say he's come up with nothing because no one knows what he's got yet) Manafort or his crazy team of thug lawyers and advisors. He's an embarrassment on the world stage where he is barely tolerated because other world leaders understand respect and deplomacy. He has brought laughter, shame and embarrassment to your country. He likes to claim that "no one is laughing at us now!"....well I got news for you the world is laughing at him and your country for electing someone who right from the beginning was labelled as "Unfit to hold office". It has been proven to be true time and again and is only going to get worse.

 

[keenobserver]

This new ad from Republicans for the Rule of Law pointing out that no, the Muller investigation is not a witch hunt, will run Thursday and Friday on Fox and Friends and Morning Joe in selected markets (including in D.C., so the president can have a look).

This is a small glimmer of hope from a few Republicans. Hope it is the seed that starts a trend among them - or at least the people who have voted for them.

 

[tripod]

Constant lies, name calling, bullying, mistreating allies, sucking up to dictators...

You must be new to politics because this has been the American modus operandi since the very beginning.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

The destruction of Syria was Obama's legacy... as was the destruction of Libya. Hundreds of thousands died as a result... Libya is now selling SLAVES in open air markets. Before Obama's destruction and destabilization of the Libya... that would have NEVER happened.

The destruction of Iraq was George Bush's legacy

The deaths of a million children in Iraq is Clinton's legacy

as a human being YOU need to worry about the DEATH of other human beings... not get your panties in a bunch because an American president has told lies & appointed unqualified people etc.

Trump's death toll is still tiny compared to the last three presidents. that could always change but as of now, it's no contest.

Obviously if Trump gets through this term and gets another this will most likely change since most of the violence that those presidents perpetrated on humanity occurred in their second terms. Not Bushy though... he did most of his violence in his first term.

You worry about U.S. tariffs and I will worry about people being blown apart by U.S. funded, equipped & armed terrorists.

One mind is myopic and the other sees the big picture.

That said, my hat is off to Canada for finally seeing Saudi Arabia for what it is. The next logical step would be to cut off all ties and issue a condemnation at the United Nations if Trudeau had any balls. We'll see.

 

[Industrialsize]