Murderers with badges absolved in the killing of Kelly Thomas

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The American judicial system reached a new low today, what a despicable verdict and shame on the jury who acquitted these sociopaths. The fact that this man`s beating resulting in his untimely death was actually caught on video and STILL resulted in the two officers being acquitted is quite simply astounding to me.

I`m shocked really but then again cops literally get away with murder constantly in the US so perhaps I should have expected this verdict, but a part of me believed that for once justice would be served due to the damning evidence but instead we get more of the same.

un-fucking-real


For those who dont know,Kelly Thomas was a homeless man with mental issues [ schizophrenia] who was RUTHLESSLY beat to death by the police.

Here is a pic of him before the beating.
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And this is what he looked like after those animals where finished with him.
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And finally here is a video of the beating, poor guy was calling out for his father to save him while he was getting beaten to death.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku42PPzYEqs&feature=player_embedded


How these evil fuckers got off is beyond me, I hope there is a specially reserved circle in hell for these bastards.
 
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The jury acquitted Manuel Ramos of second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter and Jay Cicinelli of excessive force and involuntary manslaughter.

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Yall got that?

Not only were they found 'innocent' of the murder charges,they also got off on the 'excessive force' charge.

Look at the man.

You going to tell me 'excessive force' was not used?

KILLING him was not 'excessive'?

An unarmed man beat down by two cops who wasn`t fighting back was KILLED and it not only wasn`t 'murder', it wasn`t 'excessive force'.
 

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The jury acquitted Manuel Ramos of second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter and Jay Cicinelli of excessive force and involuntary manslaughter.

Kelly-Thomas-Police-Beating.jpg


Yall got that?

Not only were they found 'innocent' of the murder charges,they also got off on the 'excessive force' charge.

Look at the man.

You going to tell me 'excessive force' was not used?

KILLING him was not 'excessive'?

An unarmed man beat down by two cops who wasn`t fighting back was KILLED and it not only wasn`t 'murder', it wasn`t 'excessive force'.

Imagine the outrage here if this had happened in evil Russia.
 

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Imagine the outrage here if this had happened in evil Russia.

Indeed.

What's needed is what all the provinces in Canada are starting to do. Any police activity that results in a civilian death is reviewed by a non-partisan civilian agency that determines whether the actions carried out by police officers are justified or not. Even if it's just a shooting that doesn't result in a death. Being from Canada the United States already looks like a police state.

I go down there and can't believe it when I visit a city like Boston even and see so many cops and different armed police forces. Train police, school police, regular police, park rangers, mall police etc etc. it's mind boggling. Most of where I go in Canada it's rare I'll ever even see a police officer, and our airport security aren't even armed!

Anyway that civilian agency I mentioned is quite useful, we just had an incident in Toronto where a cop was charged with murder after shooting a kid on a train that had a knife from about 15-20 feet away from the nearest person.

But of course this is but mere wishful thinking on my part, although the FBI has announced that it is examining the trial evidence. Senator Dianne Feinstein has called for a federal investigation as well so it seems as if this may not be over and I hope the family of Kelly Thomas will yet get to see justice served in their son`s execution.
 

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I do believe they used excessive force. I have seen on a lot of these true cop stories on tv, that the cops start twisting the arms of people they are handcuffing and I think that in its self causes a person to reject police control. I know my arm would not feel too good if they twisted it in ways that its not made to move. Hopefully the federal investigation will find some kind of relief. My heart goes out to the parents of the homeless man.
 

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I'm not going to pretend I know much about this case other then the video and various articles I've read, but at 1:35 mark of the Youtube video the police are telling the guy to "get on the ground" and he is not cooperating and frankly acting aggressively in the way he confronted the one officer just a bit earlier. It's impossible for me to tell when the group of officers are surrounding him what's going on, but if the guy is not being cooperative earlier in the video, it is reasonable to assume he is not being cooperative later in the video when he is surrounded by a group of officers and they are trying to physically subdue him. Therefore, I can understand why a jury came to the conclusion they did.
 
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If these police were aware the guy was unarmed, (which to me he obviously was), and suffers from a mental disorder. Then they definitely acted outside of what was needed.

To be honest, I would not want to be on a jury where police are put under the spotlight....... after all, you live in the same state as they do, don't you, drive the same roads, ring them when you need help........... ?
 
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I'm not going to pretend I know much about this case other then the video and various articles I've read, but at 1:35 mark of the Youtube video the police are telling the guy to "get on the ground" and he is not cooperating and frankly acting aggressively in the way he confronted the one officer just a bit earlier. It's impossible for me to tell when the group of officers are surrounding him what's going on, but if the guy is not being cooperative earlier in the video, it is reasonable to assume he is not being cooperative later in the video when he is surrounded by a group of officers and they are trying to physically subdue him. Therefore, I can understand why a jury came to the conclusion they did.

I don`t get how you or the jurors could ignore the fact - not even disputed - that Manuel Ramos, the fat cop, had threatened Kelly with a beating prior to the guy getting up from the ground, where he had been sitting peacefully while they fucked with him.

Watch the video - Manuel Ramos took a "suspect" that was sitting there, not doing anything and who wasn`t acting or speaking aggressively, and basically threatened the guy until he got up and tried to get away because he was reasonably in fear.

Then Ramos and his partner went OFF on the guy and killed him. Had they been remotely reasonable, this never would have happened. Ramos was spoiling for a fight, that much is clear from his own words if you watch the whole video "See these fists, these fists are gonna fuck you up".

This was murder plain and simple, the evidence speaks for itself and is right there on tape for all to see. Even they knew they were wrong when they beat Kelly as they went around unlawfully taking phones from witnesses, yet there no prosecution for that either.
 

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I don`t get how you or the jurors could ignore the fact - not even disputed - that Manuel Ramos, the fat cop, had threatened Kelly with a beating prior to the guy getting up from the ground, where he had been sitting peacefully while they fucked with him.

Watch the video - Manuel Ramos took a "suspect" that was sitting there, not doing anything and who wasn`t acting or speaking aggressively, and basically threatened the guy until he got up and tried to get away because he was reasonably in fear.

Then Ramos and his partner went OFF on the guy and killed him. Had they been remotely reasonable, this never would have happened. Ramos was spoiling for a fight, that much is clear from his own words if you watch the whole video "See these fists, these fists are gonna fuck you up".

This was murder plain and simple, the evidence speaks for itself and is right there on tape for all to see. Even they knew they were wrong when they beat Kelly as they went around unlawfully taking phones from witnesses, yet there no prosecution for that either.

When you say "sitting peacefully", you realize he appears to be not cooperating with the officer whether seated or standing up, right? The Officer tells him multiple times to put his feet out in front of him and he is ignored on multiple occasions. He also asks him to put his hands on his knees which Thomas' ignores on multiple occasions. He appears to do certain actions at times, but then proceeds to stop doing them for some unknown reason (perhaps his mental issues, I don't know). It probably explains why the threat was made, which is definitely unprofessional though.

And when watching the full length video, there appears to be a whole section of inaudible content where I wouldn't be surprised if Thomas' was being non-cooperative as well based on the audible content heard later in the video.

To make this guy out to be some outstanding citizen who "wasn't acting or speaking aggressively" is really not supported by the video evidence on Youtube and explains why the Officers were not found to be guilty.
 

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When you say "sitting peacefully", you realize he appears to be not cooperating with the officer whether seated or standing up, right?
The man was minding his own business and was simply asking why he was to do what the officer told, not asked him, to do. Or are you one of those types who if an officer told you to do jump while you were minding your own business you would ask "How high sir!"

Thomas had every right as per his rights which were trampled on before he himself was to ask why the officer was telling him in a hostile tone right off the bat to put his legs out in front of him.


The Officer tells him multiple times to put his feet out in front of him and he is ignored on multiple occasions. He also asks him to put his hands on his knees which Thomas' ignores on multiple occasions.
Again, the officer told him to do these things and did so rather aggressively, had he simply asked the man politely to cooperate this situation would have turned out very differently.


He appears to do certain actions at times, but then proceeds to stop doing them for some unknown reason (perhaps his mental issues, I don't know). It probably explains why the threat was made, which is definitely unprofessional though.
The man did have mental issues being schizophrenic, and seemed confused at first as to why he was being harassed by the cops. The cops however escalated the situation by demanding that he do as he was told, and behaved like bullies on a power trip who simply could not accept the fact that a man, a homeless one no less, was asking them why they were bothering him when he had done nothing wrong.


And when watching the full length video, there appears to be a whole section of inaudible content where I wouldn't be surprised if Thomas' was being non-cooperative as well based on the audible content heard later in the video.
In the moments before he went unconscious, Kelly cried out for his "Dad" 31 times, yelled "help me" 26 times, cried out "I`m sorry" 15 times and repeatedly responded with the word ok before being assaulted. He also used words like "sir" and "please" 29 times, and this is all audible on the video if one simply pays attention.

Not to mention the guy was calling out "Please I cant breathe", etc. the whole time... and then the coroner determined he died of being unable to breathe! No drugs or alcohol in his system, by the way. You listen to the guy pleading with the cops, and it just sickens you (well not you, clearly) to realize that they kept the assault up for so long, and the guy calling them "Sir" to the end.

This is hardly the kind of language used by someone who is resisting arrest and being hostile and aggressive, so I have no fucking clue what you were watching but clearly it wasn`t the same thing I and thousands of outraged fellow citizens of yours saw as well on that video.

To make this guy out to be some outstanding citizen who "wasn't acting or speaking aggressively" is really not supported by the video evidence on Youtube and explains why the Officers were not found to be guilty.
You are either blind/deaf or an apologist of the worst kind, perhaps a bit of both. What these cops did was nothing short of murder, in plain sight no less, and it was captured on film for the whole world to see.

The way a society treats its most vulnerable members says a lot about that society, I can understand these bastards doing it...sadistic thugs are sadistic thugs after all...and they are the world over, both in and out of uniform.

So you catch them, dead to rights, on video and audio, beating a defenceless man to death for no reason at all. Well, then you punish them for what they've done. I would say their punishment should be harsher than for your average street thug, as we citizens put our trust in, train and fund the police.

But then to try and find these brutal thugs innocent!

What is the point of ever trying a cop for anything ever again?

We are officially stating that the police are allowed to beat defenceless people to death. That's the message that goes out today.

It's sickening. This is a dark day for American justice.
 
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To make this guy out to be some outstanding citizen who "wasn't acting or speaking aggressively" is really not supported by the video evidence on Youtube and explains why the Officers were not found to be guilty.

Wow. You are sick. Really really sick in the head.
 
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I can't help but think if he were a mentally unstable woman, same situation. What the outcome or outcry would have been? Would she have been treated differently? But he was a mentally unstable guy. Easy target for a beefy group of supposed law enforcers.

The guy was unarmed, not even with a knife or a block of timber, nor a bomb strapped to his body. Neither is he Cassius Clay, where his fists were lethal weapons.

Did the police involved suffer any injury? Maybe bruised knuckles.
 
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I'm not going to pretend I know much about this case other then the video and various articles I've read, but at 1:35 mark of the Youtube video the police are telling the guy to "get on the ground" and he is not cooperating and frankly acting aggressively in the way he confronted the one officer just a bit earlier. It's impossible for me to tell when the group of officers are surrounding him what's going on, but if the guy is not being cooperative earlier in the video, it is reasonable to assume he is not being cooperative later in the video when he is surrounded by a group of officers and they are trying to physically subdue him. Therefore, I can understand why a jury came to the conclusion they did.

I do not know much about it either. But what I do know is, is how a group of police officers act in these situations. Much like a gang or brotherhood.

As I insinuated earlier. I would not like to be sitting in a jury deliberating about officers that operate in the area in which you live. It may be a little intimidating for you when a cruiser begins to follow you for no reason.

It happens. These guys were caught on cam, imagine what they can do when they are not. Lets hope you never find yourself an innocent victim at some point in your life. You may view things from a different aspect.
 
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If Cops Are THIS Afraid of Each Other, Why Should the Public Support Them?+

William Norman Grigg



Redondo Beach resident David Perdue was nearly murdered by police on the way to the beach last February 7. Torrance Police Officer Brian McGee rammed his vehicle into Perdue’s truck and opened fire on the driver’s side without pausing to identify the driver, who he thought was former LAPD Officer Christopher Dorner.


A few hours earlier, Dorner – who had published a manifesto condemning the LAPD and threatening to kill officials involved in his termination from the force – had shot two Riverside County cops, killing one of them. McGee was among the thousands of police officers who took part in the manhunt for Dorner – and like all of his comrades, he was incapacitated by panic.


When he spotted Perdue’s car, McGee told investigators, he was “panicking inside, thinking if I don’t get out of this car seat, I’m gonna die. He’s gonna kill me. He’s gonna shoot me. I one hundred percent believe it’s him.”


So acting in the finest tradition of police valor, and in the name of the most important policy consideration, “Officer Safety,” the Iraq War veteran opened fire on Perdue. It was the victim’s immense good fortune that the assailant was a cop: Thanks to McGee’s good enough-for-government “work” marksmanship, Perdue survived the attack.


Dorner was a large, heavyset black man. Perdue is a slender white man. Once those obvious differences had penetrated the blinding haze of panic that had enveloped McGee, he stopped shooting.


“This guy’s killing cops,” jabbered McGee by way of explanation to his terrified victim. “He’s here to kill more. He’s killed one in Riverside, killed a couple in Irvine, he’s got a rifle, he’s military trained.”


McGee’s attack inflicted $20,000 of damage to Perdue’s truck. The victim — a member of the productive class — suffered head and spinal injuries that resulted in him losing his job as a baggage handler. Fret not for McGee: His job in the parasitic sector is secure, and he has been cleared by the L.A. District Attorney’s office.


According to the DA, McGee made a “reasonable mistake” when he rammed Perdue’s truck and tried to kill him sight unseen – because his life, and those of his fellow law enforcement officers, were of singular worth. After all, the security of the State’s punitive caste is infinitely more important than the rights of a mere Mundane.


“McGee was aware that Dorner had threatened to kill any law enforcement officers who interfered with his plan to exact revenge,” the DA’s report observes. “McGee and [his partner, Officer Erin] Sooper came away from the briefing believing that an encounter with Dorner would result in either their own, or Dorner’s death.” That report, predictably, drew exclusively from the self-serving accounts provided by the assailant and his colleagues.
A police officer’s “authority” to engage in discretionary killing is co-extensive with his personal cowardice. McGee will face no civil or legal consequences because the prospect of confronting a fellow police officer gone “rogue” had reduced him to a puddle of panic.
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Attempt to murder non-cops in cold blood and the LAPD says it is okay, because the police were scared. Shoot a suspect in the face (17 year old Jesus Huerta case, look it up) in the back of a police cruiser who is handcuffed with his hands behind his back and the police say nothing to see here the person shot themselves.

Police in the US aren't worth a damn and neither are the people in the communities that support these sociopaths.


 

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But then to try and find these brutal thugs innocent!

What is the point of ever trying a cop for anything ever again?

We are officially stating that the police are allowed to beat defenceless people to death. That's the message that goes out today.

It's sickening. This is a dark day for American justice.

This isn't new. Cops have been doing this for years and often getting off without any legal punishment. Sometimes at least the police department they were with has the balls to fire them and not give them their pension. Sometimes a jury does convict although it is rare. The occasional conviction is what gives me hope in the people and the justice system. Sure it has problems and needs fixing but it isn't completely dead yet.
 

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The man was minding his own business and was simply asking why he was to do what the officer told, not asked him, to do. Or are you one of those types who if an officer told you to do jump while you were minding your own business you would ask "How high sir!"

Thomas had every right as per his rights which were trampled on before he himself was to ask why the officer was telling him in a hostile tone right off the bat to put his legs out in front of him.


Again, the officer told him to do these things and did so rather aggressively, had he simply asked the man politely to cooperate this situation would have turned out very differently.


The man did have mental issues being schizophrenic, and seemed confused at first as to why he was being harassed by the cops. The cops however escalated the situation by demanding that he do as he was told, and behaved like bullies on a power trip who simply could not accept the fact that a man, a homeless one no less, was asking them why they were bothering him when he had done nothing wrong.


In the moments before he went unconscious, Kelly cried out for his "Dad" 31 times, yelled "help me" 26 times, cried out "I`m sorry" 15 times and repeatedly responded with the word ok before being assaulted. He also used words like "sir" and "please" 29 times, and this is all audible on the video if one simply pays attention.

Not to mention the guy was calling out "Please I cant breathe", etc. the whole time... and then the coroner determined he died of being unable to breathe! No drugs or alcohol in his system, by the way. You listen to the guy pleading with the cops, and it just sickens you (well not you, clearly) to realize that they kept the assault up for so long, and the guy calling them "Sir" to the end.

This is hardly the kind of language used by someone who is resisting arrest and being hostile and aggressive, so I have no fucking clue what you were watching but clearly it wasn`t the same thing I and thousands of outraged fellow citizens of yours saw as well on that video.

You are either blind/deaf or an apologist of the worst kind, perhaps a bit of both. What these cops did was nothing short of murder, in plain sight no less, and it was captured on film for the whole world to see.

The way a society treats its most vulnerable members says a lot about that society, I can understand these bastards doing it...sadistic thugs are sadistic thugs after all...and they are the world over, both in and out of uniform.

So you catch them, dead to rights, on video and audio, beating a defenceless man to death for no reason at all. Well, then you punish them for what they've done. I would say their punishment should be harsher than for your average street thug, as we citizens put our trust in, train and fund the police.

But then to try and find these brutal thugs innocent!

What is the point of ever trying a cop for anything ever again?

We are officially stating that the police are allowed to beat defenceless people to death. That's the message that goes out today.

It's sickening. This is a dark day for American justice.

I don't have the time nor interest to respond to every comment you made in this article because you're saying things that are not supported by the video evidence. I don't see a man who "minding his own business" as you say. I see someone who is blatantly being non-cooperative to the police. It seems plainly obvious to me just in my brief look at the video how the jury came to the conclusion they did.


Wow. You are sick. Really really sick in the head.
Well, unlike you I don't worship at the altar of Osama bin Laden so I can understand how rational thought and logic is so threatening to you.

I do not know much about it either. But what I do know is, is how a group of police officers act in these situations. Much like a gang or brotherhood.

As I insinuated earlier. I would not like to be sitting in a jury deliberating about officers that operate in the area in which you live. It may be a little intimidating for you when a cruiser begins to follow you for no reason.

It happens. These guys were caught on cam, imagine what they can do when they are not. Lets hope you never find yourself an innocent victim at some point in your life. You may view things from a different aspect.
All of Officers on trial don't work for the local police dept. So your fear of retribution if you were a juror is quite odd. And if I was an innocent victim of some sort of Police attack, I don't see how that would change my perspective on an issue such as this where the Police are dealing with an individual who appears to be clearly not cooperative and openly resisting Police instructions.