My body is weird...

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My measurements are as follows currently
Arms: 12"
Chest: 38"
Waist: 34"
Navel: 40"
Hips: 39"
Thighs: 25"

I don't really know what that means, other than the fact that I have fairly unique curves.

Edit: Just crunched the numbers, apparently I am pear-shaped.
 
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I will respond in depth later, as I have to go to my next job, but SC I will respond.

:biggrin:

Quick response: What is with people taking the time to point out acne? FFS i think SC has eyes and based on his pics (if ya look at all of them) it tends to come and go.Based on his age this is normal. SC PM me if ya want as I went through HORRID acne up until 27!

"I see pimples..." Well i see a douche commenting on pimples!
 
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You refer to it as a case? What is your opinion of males who pear-shaped?

Thats what it's referred to on a certain board. I don't go there but the culture spills over sometimes.

I have no opinion on it
 

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Thats what it's referred to on a certain board. I don't go there but the culture spills over sometimes.

I have no opinion on it

I see; I was only curious of the language. Language at times points toward opinion. It is very interesting to me to therefore dissect it.

It is interesting to see how culture classifies things. Abstinence for example. What in this society do we "abstain" from? I.V. drugs, alcohol, and the like. The implied opinion of sex is therefore similar to these other times. It turns sex into the external and evil force we as human beings must overcome. It is quite a ridiculous predicament if you really think about.

It was this type of dissection I was looking to enact on such speech. It seems interesting to me t refer to a pear-shape with clinical-like language. It must help direct our opinion in a specific direction, whether we like or not. What do you think?
 

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I will respond in depth later, as I have to go to my next job, but SC I will respond.

:biggrin:

Quick response: What is with people taking the time to point out acne? FFS i think SC has eyes and based on his pics (if ya look at all of them) it tends to come and go.Based on his age this is normal. SC PM me if ya want as I went through HORRID acne up until 27!

"I see pimples..." Well i see a douche commenting on pimples!

I am excited for your response Nico, as I am to see your face once more *tehe tehe!*

My worst acne was in middle school. Slowly improved from there. Your numbers excite me, as it reminds me how my body will continue to change (because I am only turning 23 in May). How exhilarating!
 

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I wasn't trying to diss his body at all. Was just a thought, and obviously not backed up by any sort of genetic analysis.
I didn't think you were trying to diss him. i was just pointing out that unless he had a vast majority of the physical symptoms (other than the flared hips, he does not) that perhaps there are other explanations. I would wager that he would need to be displaying more for doctors to even perfom the required tests on him. It's all good :smile:
I have a friend with those types of love handle bases. His body is normal in everyway except for those. I have another friend that when he is heavy his bell looks almost the exact same. He was accurate to describe them as curves because that is exactly what they are. I would be inclined to say his body shape is just a little bit different. However, that small penis has me believing that there is a chromosonal anomaly going on here. AND Klinefelters is not the only chromosonal anomaly there is. AND just because I write this don't mean I am in any way criticizing his body, after all he brought it up.
Actually yours isn't mean-spirited the way some posters' responses were.

I would point out that his penis, when erect, is well in the range of average to maybe a bit above. He is a "grower". I am very familiar with these kinds of cocks, having one like it myself! lol You may also not b able to see or envision his flaccid size correctly as so many people have trimmed or clean shaven pubes as compared ot natural bushes. He has a pretty dense mat there! (yummy! all the better to nestle my nose into...:wink:)
Smaccoms will respect, I met 10's if not 100's of yor body type, you starve your self to be skinny, there you have no muscles tone or definition what so ever, Im not assuming, rather Im diagnosing, and Im talking from a two masters, Exercise Science, and Kinetic physiology, back round... not just throwing crap out there... just to let you know ... Thank you
Two masters and yet ya recommended steroids? If he waants to do that, it's his biz, but as I advissed Dante in a hread of his, I wouldn't do it unless there was a verified horonal deficit. And if he (or SC) did the street kind, then to be up front with a physican. All you seemm to be saying is "Do roids!" I would expect ore form a person with two masters and especially who is not treating him!

And lest you try ot say you didn't recommend steroid use:
Your body is not weird, you obviously never were in sports, and never worked out to change your body composition, 90 days of hard working and you will look fine, Im gonna say this even tho I will be criticized for it, but i would go as far as doing a cycle of anabolics to speed things up. But try working Hard ... try the Insanity program .

Yea, my skeleton is built with hips on it, and my musculature and fat builds around that. Doesn't necessarily mean that I'm unfit or obese due to the shape.

Okay, my penis is 6.5" b 4.5" when hard. In other words, I am a grower. I assure you, I do NOT have a micro penis. I can say, however, that as a kid I had an adhesion. It's described as a piece of skin left over from the circumcision surgery (as a babe) that connects the head to the base of the foreskin. I had it surgically removed when I was 13 years old (they thought it would fall off naturally beforehand). I have wondered if that had impacted it's growth ever since.
*snip for brevity*
You make a good point about the base frame! I keep trying to tell people that! lol

As for your cock, I don't think it would have impacted your growth.
I'm glad that you like your body, as that's what matters :smile:

However, I gotta ask?.....
What was the point of posting a thread titled "My body is weird", and then getting upset and defensive towards anyone that evaluated it and gave their opinions and suggestions? :confused:
I took it that he just wanted to knowif i was common and for tips to tone.:redface:

But I can see your take on it.:tongue: (probably the majority took it that way, lol)

But some of the responses, CG, were unnecessarily rude, and boorish (not yours! I don't think you could be a rude and boorish if ya tried! Your a sweetie! :kiss:)
I suppose I didn't make the point entirely too clear, did I? That's what happens when you think abstractly I guess...I just wanted to discuss body types, and being that mine is different, I thought it'd be a good starting point. By "weird" I meant different. There is nothing wrong with politely giving your opinion on the subject. However, not everyone was polite about it. They took it as an opportunity to shut me down, which was not okay, nor was it the purpose. Does that make sense?

I mean, I like discussing things that are on my mind. My body type is certainly on my mind. There's nothing wrong with that is there?

I might have missed a couple posts through the thread. I will review it entirely when I have the time...

Edit: I wrote the last bit in a hurry, and all for nothing because my class was cancelled haha! Also, I said "polite" above when I meant "respectful".

Let me be more specific (concrete evidence tends to be my downfall). The posts I objected to were ones that appeared to be mired in hegemonic masculinity. A response from such a perspective is to suggest that I am less of a man due to the lack of hard & chiseled lines on my body. Hegemonic masculinity also uses homophobia, along with other forms of oppression. This is why I object to the cases where I detect this perspective. I want to discuss the subject without being told I am less of a man for not conforming to the cultural norm. Masculinity is not a vertical stratification, where some man are more masculine than others due to specific characteristics (as is the case with hegemonic masculinity). I believe it to be relative where the actual relation and understanding between men is more important than an abstract ideal. I suppose in this case, I want to more or less explore that relativeness of masculinity in regards to body type, particularly my own. Does that make sense?
Makes sense to me!
The reason I get along with Nico most in this thread is because he understands this perspective. If you examine his posts throughout this thread, he constantly is saying in various ways that I am still masculine and I am still a man despite not fitting the cultural norm. We are establishing that relativeness for each other, because neither of us believe in hegemonic masculinity per se.
^QFT!
i see pimples....

Was there a point to this post at all?
He had no point other tha to be an asshat. Just ignore.:tongue:
Classic case of pear shaped body

My measurements are as follows currently
Arms: 12"
Chest: 38"
Waist: 34"
Navel: 40"
Hips: 39"
Thighs: 25"

I don't really know what that means, other than the fact that I have fairly unique curves.

Edit: Just crunched the numbers, apparently I am pear-shaped.

You refer to it as a case? What is your opinion of males who pear-shaped?

Thats what it's referred to on a certain board. I don't go there but the culture spills over sometimes.

I have no opinion on it
Figure of speech or general description. Thicker hips in proportion to upper body is colloquially called a pear shape. SpoLLe was just saying that's what it would be called, with out making any judgement or voicing an opinion.
I see; I was only curious of the language. Language at times points toward opinion. It is very interesting to me to therefore dissect it.

It is interesting to see how culture classifies things. Abstinence for example. What in this society do we "abstain" from? I.V. drugs, alcohol, and the like. The implied opinion of sex is therefore similar to these other times. It turns sex into the external and evil force we as human beings must overcome. It is quite a ridiculous predicament if you really think about.

It was this type of dissection I was looking to enact on such speech. It seems interesting to me t refer to a pear-shape with clinical-like language. It must help direct our opinion in a specific direction, whether we like or not. What do you think?
I think you have more of a monkey mind then I do! WOAH! lol:tongue:
I am excited for your response Nico, as I am to see your face once more *tehe tehe!*

My worst acne was in middle school. Slowly improved from there. Your numbers excite me, as it reminds me how my body will continue to change (because I am only turning 23 in May). How exhilarating!
Well hopefully I didn't bore ya! Kinda rushed, but there it is:redface:

My mildest acne was early middle school, then horrid in high school, then cleared some in late teens early twenties, then mild and gone. Now it is clear (save for stress acne) I can recommend ProActive. It helped so much and is relatively inexpensive. My Sis and The Eldest use it. The Eldest turned us onto it (she and my Sis had acne after their pregnancies as bad as I had as a late teen) Some meds made my acne worse as well. *shrugs* I had it bad on my face, back and shoulders (blech) and would get breakouts on my thighs (ugh!) So glad that's over!
 

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Be who you be. If your happy with your bod then hey doesn't matter what the replies post. Not sure why you started the thread....you need a word to desrcibe your body? Rubenesque.
If your looking to increase your health. I suggest you makes sure that even if your excercising that you ensure your calorie intake is lower than your physical activity output or at least on target with it.. This will help shed of some of the roundness.
Have you had your hormone levels checked? This could account for for your fuller weight deposits in some of the areas of your body.
Some suggestions....its your call bro.
 

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Uh Nicodemus my X had 'klinefelters' and his body shape is 'exactly' like his. No offense to anyone and all kline patients exhibit different types of symptoms and not all are the same. His pics just remind me of my dead X.....
The point about them all exhibiting different symptoms is why diagnoses by a professional should be made. And not to split haors (ok, exactly to split hairs) you didn't seem to suggest that he MAY have it, ased on your deceased ex (and you have my condolances) but that he HAD it:
You have 'kleinfelters' syndrome....
(bolding, mine) Do you see how that comes across differently? If you had said "You know, my ex had a body shape very similar to yours and he had Klinefelter's Syndrome, you might want to look into that" I think S would have responded better.

I think you just ran afoul of the fact that one must be VERY careful of wording on the web, as tone in ones voice is not able to be heard. Does it possibly create a more artificial way of speaking (at least in regards to our day to day mode of speech)? Perhaps.

No harm no foul though, and your suggesting did bring to light a very real possibility for many people, even if ultimately it is not the case for SC. Hell at the very least it is interesting info! So thanks!:hug:
Be who you be. If your happy with your bod then hey doesn't matter what the replies post. Not sure why you started the thread....you need a word to desrcibe your body? Rubenesque.
If your looking to increase your health. I suggest you makes sure that even if your excercising that you ensure your calorie intake is lower than your physical activity output or at least on target with it.. This will help shed of some of the roundness.
Have you had your hormone levels checked? This could account for for your fuller weight deposits in some of the areas of your body.
Some suggestions....its your call bro.
A well reasoned post! :smile: I think this may be more along the line of discussion and response SC was aiming for!
 
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Generally, people want to say that the "V-shape" is the most manly. Having another body type somehow makes you "unmanly". It's a topic I wish to discuss, and I pulled my body in as a direct example. Why should I be considered less of a man for my body shape? The pictures show that I am not fat, ugly, OR disgusting. Is it so wrong that I'd like to discuss the issue of being a man without a "V-shape"? It is not an issue of approval, but an issue of establishing understanding and relation between myself and other people (particularly other men) about what constitutes a man when it comes to his body. This is a legitimate pursuit, as cultural venues do this passively and constantly. My goal was simply to bring to the surface. This is the context for my title: weird refers to the fact that my shape somehow means that I am not manly when I clearly am.

For that matter, what does gender mean in the fist place? It is clearly something used to structure our society. In Western culture, it is a binary: female versus male. This structure is plainly not appropriate, as a large number of individuals do not fit the style. If I am not to be a man because I am not good enough (via hegemonic masculinity), what am I? Humans adapt culturally, and we experience that culture through society. This is where I get my viewpoint on the definition of Psychology (the sociological perspective of the individual). A relation and understanding of ourselves stems from the society we grew up in. We build a paradigm, a set of values and beliefs of an individual using our society as a reference point. In this way, the individual has a continual back and forth tug between his or her paradigm, and the dominant paradigm of his/her society. Our self-identities and our paradigms are entirely relative. If this is so, I insist on my paradigm working for me. If I am to be a man in this society, I better damn well have the respect I deserve. This means breaking down hegemonic masculinity, which is the current structure which states I am not a man due to my sexuality and body shape. It is this which I want to discuss and make progress in shaping so that my paradigm, and those of my brethren, better construct respect for that which deserves respect. I certainly deserve respect, regardless of whether my body is "V-shaped" or not. This is why I openly posted photos of myself and started a discussion directed toward my body shape. Especially the reason why I pointed out that it is so very different. A strong response was to say that not only is it different, but it is not manly and I do not deserve any form of respect for it. That is dumb. I want to extend my paradigm to that of others on this forum to communicate the stupidity of such an opinion, as well as build an understanding that being a man should most definitely extend beyond what hegemonic masculinity states.

Sorry for the massively long, lecture-like response. I believe it to be necessary to communicate what has been asked of me. If there are discrepancies, or points of confusion please communicate this with me. I will do my best to be more clear. I find I think abstractly, so the largest problem I'm guessing will be making my argument clear to those reading it.
 

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That was a mouthfull bro.
did you really excpect to your fellow members to understand you where meaning all this, when your thread begins with `My body is weird`I mean do these curves makes sense to ANYONE. I want to achieve a LITTLE more tone, but this is my body. Still trying to make sense out of it.`
Common!
I was with you up till now,
But i think you got responses you weren`t prepared for,and now your just making shit up as you go on.
I understand your new satement, and fair enough, but why not look for respect as a pesron. as opposed to needing respect as a man. This contradiction assumes to place yourself in a restrcitive role. The very fight you claim to be trying to argueing against. That of being defined.
 
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Needing respect as a man as opposed to needing respect as a human? I do not agree with this. It is an argument often made against those looking respect and rights they so clearly lack. For example, renaming "Black Liberation" as "Human Rights". It ignores the fundamental question, which is that specific groups of people are excluded from society by refusing them admittance into that societal structure. Our society is structured using gender; male versus female. To deny gay men admittance into that structure is to say that we are not full members of that society, but less. In other words, "Second Class Citizenship". Lets call it for what it is: Gay Liberation. I deserve respect AS A MAN because I am one, and I deserve FIRST CLASS CITIZENSHIP to this society despite my body shape or sexuality. If you think society shouldn't define itself so restrictively, then you should fight to change it. But DO NOT insist that I allow myself to be excluded because I shouldn't define myself restrictively. I am a member of this society, and as such I expect to be included. It is only my right.

LIBERATION!!!
 

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Dude your all over the map pulling shit out of everywhere. This went from your body type to gay liberation.
I did not use the word demand nor even a tonality of demand in my post.
You, again out of nowhere, decided this thread was about you refusng to be left out of a role by not fitting the traditional physical traits of a male. I was saying why not just remove yourself from the need to be seen as a role in the first place.Thus cutting out the problem. Be who you be and the respect will follow. Follow others in the need to be a role and there wills always be imposed standards to follow.
 

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Hmm. Need to think on this one. I get where ya both are coming from. Let me gather my thoughts and post later.

On a quick note, I would say that even within the gay community, there is a discriminatory attitude towards men who do not conform to the typically associated appearance for men. I tend to find the narrow roles we assign ourselves leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Most of those restrictive roles can be placated with minor cosmetic changes (shaving, trimming, bulking up, growing a beard, slimming down) but none of them address people whose skeletal structure is proportioned differently. Guys with broad sounders and narrow hips will always have the advantage of obtaining that V shape. Men with slim hips and shoulders can try to stay lean and depending on hair distribution and grooming desires, can be as twink or otter as they please.

What of the ones with a body that is more in line with SC's? All one has to look at is the responses. Yes he asked if it was weird, but I take weird as meaning different, or far from ordinary. He states, quite clearly that he likes his over all shape, and just wants to tone more. What he got were some intelligent posts, and a few very rude disparaging posts from people who honestly were attempting to impose their ideal of sexy masculinity, of what a mans body should look like. They took into no account his desires and feelings.

It came once again to a matter of, if someone doesn't float your boat, your option is not soley to ridicule and criticize. There is the option of inquiring, of honest questions absent of bile and vitrol. A chance at real conversation. At the end, do any of us expect,or have the right to demand that others find us attractive? Of course not! But do we have the right to not be marginalized, or have it said that anyone who would like us is either unattractive, or has a bizarre fetish? Yes we do.

Your post, mrrocksontherocks, have not been that way. Indeed your postings have been level headed. Sadly there have been a hand fully that have been anything but.
 

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Fairly I;m sure that smaccoms has encounter alot of diisregard by not only members here who have posted, as well as in his daily life.
Which would explain the urgencey in his posting. I have miss interpreted his frustration as random confusion.At the same time it is a big leap to go from his origional post to the more complex post he later introduced. Unfortunalety even after clarifying his intention in creating this thread, there will be many who have been taught to follow their immediate idea of what gender needs to be.
From my personal experience i have found it much more supportive to refrain from being dependant on any form or role. allowing myself the freedom to live as a whole person without any expectations from the standards of others.
I wish smaccoms well in his journey of discovery.