My opinion about a cliche problem: size of asian tools

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Well, this was originally sent in the thread "Asians with Big Dicks", but it seems to be too long for it since there are more about pictures sharing. So I put it here, Try to rationly understand the whole problem.


I apologize for bringing up an old issue that is not much discussed anymore, the size of Asian tools, but there seem to be some factors that have been overlooked for a long time.

First, we need to define 'Asian' as it is generally used here, which usually includes China, Korea, Japan, and a number of Southeast Asian countries, and possibly Taiwan depending on political views.

Famine, malnutrition, and poor national economic development have been the most serious problems in these countries in the past five to six decades. This is more severe than the usual malnutrition or use of dairy products discussed. During the worst times, Chinese people even ate kaolin to fill their stomachs or tree bark, which of course had no nutrition and eventually killed them. This may be quite different from poverty as understood in most of the Western world. An exception in these countries worth mentioning is Thailand, Japan, and Taiwan. Although they were also affected by this malnutrition, it was not as severe compared to other countries. It is also worth noting that the malnutrition or deficiency discussed here is actually based on the intake of calories, proteins, micronutrients, etc., and is a comparison with the typical diet of the Caucasian world, where the most severe malnutrition and deficiency were in countries like China, which were sadly associated with Soviet communism.

As for how to understand this type of famine, whether it's the famine that once occurred in Ukraine or China, or actually in North Korea today, these are good typical examples. There may be degrees of difference, but the nature of their problems is similar, having abundant resources but serious food problems due to insufficient distribution by the bureaucratic system. Another perhaps more familiar example in the Western world, which some people may realize after reading a lot of material, is the famine caused in Germany by the blockade during World War I. Although different, some elderly people in rural Germany may still retain the practice of growing potatoes to prevent famine, as potatoes are a very easy plant to grow and are indeed very nutritious.

A typical Chinese diet, I'm talking about now, and I mean a normal diet that meets the minimum material needs of a family, is actually not complicated in terms of macronutrient calculation: 200 grams of rice or noodles for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, equivalent to about 50 grams of carbohydrates per meal, 150 grams of carbs per day, mainly rice or noodles, 200 grams of meat per day is considered a lot, actually providing 50 grams of protein, and then no more than 40 grams of oil. This totals 1160 calories. As a reference, a standard diet should actually be around 2400 calories per day, even over 3000 for a more varied diet. The calculation of macronutrients is simple: 4 calories per gram for proteins and carbohydrates, and 9 calories per gram for fats. If necessary, you can verify this by entering your daily intake into cronometer.

Another data point related to living standards is that, according to official data from China in 2020, there are 600 million people with a monthly income of less than 1000 RMB (about 150 USD), including 220 million people with a monthly income of less than 500 RMB (about 75 USD). In China, the number of people with a monthly income of less than 2000 RMB (about 300 USD) reached 964 million. It should also be remembered that China has been known to manipulate its data, so these figures are likely beautified.

People don't think that when nutrition is insufficient, even with good genetic endowment, a person can grow very big. This actually explains a lot, especially considering the Asians who are in their forties and fifties now but were in their twenties and thirties when the thread started (06-08), i.e., the mainstream Asians seen at that time. Due to malnutrition, it's normal for them to be smaller than the global average. It might be a foot difference compared to the current world average of 5.5 inches; 4.5, and I'm being very generous with 4.5, considering my experience living in the north and visiting public baths. I thought about 3 feet, but those old people had lived through the Cultural Revolution or the Great Famine in China, hadn't they? This somewhat matches people's past personal experiences (sadly, yes, those Asians seen early in the thread, especially those with six or seven inches, might have had slightly better diets and environments, and could have grown an inch or more). Nutrition's impact on size can be understood as a shift to the left of the entire bell curve of penis size; if the curve goes from small to large from left to right, the curve has shifted left, so it seems that earlier Asians had a smaller average, but there were also larger ones.

As examples of how nutrition can impact human body size, I can cite two more cases. Medieval Europeans' heights can be reasonably inferred from the sizes of the armors found today, which suggest that Europeans, especially during the Middle Ages, were not taller than Easterners. I don't remember the exact figures, but I believe the inferred average height was around 1.5 meters. However, this has now reversed. Similarly, Dutch people have undergone a noticeable change in height over nearly 200 years due to increased intake of dairy products and proteins, reaching an average height of nearly 1.85 meters today. The influence of nutrition on physical development is much greater than we think, but it takes much longer than we might expect for an event to unfold.

I'm not trying to say that the earlier statements about Asians having smaller average sizes but also larger penises exist is without problems. There's an unintended malice in these statements. Yes, they're based on personal experiences, but those experiences only apply to the previous generation, the Asians who are now in their forties and fifties. Asian countries have undergone significant changes in the past three to four decades. Their economies have made their own achievements, so nutrition and living standards have changed a lot, although still relatively poor compared to the rich dietary life of the Western or Caucasian world. Because this was their past experience, it seemed reasonable to them, and it's the reason they unconsciously concluded that Asians are smaller. But extending this conclusion to all Asians, regardless of their growth environment and, intentionally or unintentionally, tracing it back to race, is problematic. Their real point is that they don't believe Asians can be large; they should first prove why they don't believe.

For those truly curious about the size of Asian tools, it may take some time before they see more, as the millennial generation has just grown up. Starting from this generation, it's possible to change the stereotype that Asians tend to be smaller and eliminate any interracial differences. I've heard from many of my Asian friends (specifically Chinese) that there's a lot of discussion about why the new generation seems to be significantly larger on average than their generation. Well, this is anecdotal evidence and may not prove much. But the disappearance of such gaps is always good, especially when these size differences actually reflect a country's development and the quality of people’s daily lives.

Some have mentioned research reports indicating that these interracial differences do exist, but these conclusions are based on specific samples. As I said, the previous generation is indeed a bit smaller, simply due to malnutrition and a horrific living environment. So, whatever report you look at, as long as the sample is based on people born before the 2000s, the data is more likely to be smaller. Everyone lives in a specific environment, but many surveys fail to consider this factor. For example, some American surveys overlook the harm done to homosexuals by homophobes during the Stonewall movement of the seventies and eighties, comparing masculinity between homosexual and heterosexual men.

Another important issue is the sexual shame of Asians. Asian culture not only avoids discussing sex but also views it as kind of taboo, much like pedophilia is taboo in the West. So yes, no matter what natural gifts an Asian man has, he's unlikely to be as openly confident about his masculinity as Caucasians. They consider it barbaric, shameful, and primitive, lacking in education. Yes, I think it's wrong, but that's the mainstream in Asian culture. Perhaps when you talk to Asian friends, they might say that's a thing of the past, but their subconscious is still influenced by culture.

So, when addressing this issue, the best response might be to post their own photos directly, but usually, they are reluctant to do so. Maybe it's just around the average, so posting it won't prove anything, but even if they are that large, they might not be interested in doing so. The cultural factors surrounding this issue are not as simple as a choice like Muslims not liking pork, but rather a complex, perhaps not so scientific or rigorous, collective subconscious-like thing. Caucasians generally don't have this problem because they've never been ashamed of sex, and if they're exceptionally endowed, they'd proudly display it. Such behavior would only invite severe criticism and social ostracism in Asian societies.

Regarding the issue of photos, there's another point worth discussing. I wonder if anyone has overlooked the elephant in the room: the full erection in Asians and Caucasians is different. Firstly, most Asians are growers, and the difference between their flaccid and erect conditions can be very impressive. On average, this change is more noticeable than in Caucasian growers. Secondly, possibly due to the aforementioned sexual shame or other subtle cultural reasons, many photos shown by Asians are only semi-erect (50%). A simple way to tell is that Asians are hard and upward when fully erect; when an Asian is about 75% erect, it no longer feels soft,

but many of the photos actually posted about Chinese are of commercial male models from China, and these commercial models' photos are mostly soft, maybe 50%, but definitely not over 75%. Therefore, many people might mistakenly think that these images represent their fully erect condition.

Additionally, there's another aspect that might venture into politically incorrect territory but is factual. Asian countries, especially East Asia (which often refers to China, Japan, and Korea, all parts of the Confucian cultural sphere), are very resistant to masculine traits. The Masculinity I mentioned demands bravery, self-expression, fighting for honor, etc., but in collectivist Asian countries, this is often seen as the biggest threat by rulers. So, even though every founding emperor or king was full of masculinity, knowing how they had rebelled, they also blocked the path they had taken, leading to a tendency towards demasculinization in Asian culture.

But we can understand this issue more simply. One might wonder how China could have such a vast territory with pre-information age technology. Rulers would go to great lengths to maintain their rule, plotting against their people and ruthlessly killing anyone who might try to rebel. This parallels our understanding of authoritarian regimes. A culture has long been formed: do not resist, conform, and abandon masculinity. Japan is an exception due to its samurai class, which changed Japanese society through coup d'états, so the perception of Japanese people is not as demasculinized.

I must point out that the masculinity I'm referring to is not about being alpha or sigma males but about being resilient, strong, willing to resist and speak up for oneself, like a warrior, and not "toxic masculinity."

Regarding the tendency towards demasculinization, it only applies internally within Asian countries when it comes to stability and security (preventing rebellion, etc.). In people's daily lives, it's not the case. Asian policies and cultural habits often say one thing officially but mean another in reality. The trend towards demasculinization is official, but in real life, people don't act that way. Male stars on TV may be increasingly feminized, but this inner aesthetic preference always remains a small minority in the population. A better explanation for this phenomenon is that investing in and operating male stars with a relatively feminine appearance, like those in Korea, is much cheaper and simpler than those with a rugged style.

About the genetic factors controlling size, it's indeed complex, but not as complex as imagined. 99% of the human genome consists of regulatory factors (auxiliary genomic elements), and 1% are actual genes (controlling enzymes or proteins). Especially with epigenetics now so hot, everyone should realize that their lifestyle, whether or not they get sunlight, what they eat, etc., all have profound effects on their gene expression. And yes, these effects can be passed down for many generations, although they can also be reversed within a generation. However, Asians live under a lot of stress. They go to school from primary to high school from 7 am(get up at 6 am) spending almost all day in classrooms or limited activity spaces until 5-6 pm(middle school) or even 10 pm(high school). They not only lack sunlight and physical exercise (teachers always say the PE teacher is sick), but their classroom lights are primitive, without blue light filtering LEDs. Their homework even forces them to work until 3-4 in the morning(Yes, and they get up at 5 or 6). Many might think I'm making this up, but this is the reality in China, where I've lived for many years. I think I don't need to add too much detail on how hard this life is, as these points are enough. As for whether these poor lifestyle habits can have such a deep impact even over such a long period, men can search for articles on how to increase testosterone to find out.

Imagine being a teenager growing up in such a sexually repressive environment, going to school every day not only without any pleasure but also destroying your sleep. Without space and time for independent thought, without sunlight, without exercise, repeatedly doing useless exercises only for scores. Even with the best genetic endowment, how much can it be utilized? If the earlier famines are too far removed from today's Asians, these hard lives are not. Everyone knows Asians are very diligent, but few think about how painful this diligence is. By the way, don't forget that most East Asians are still in a condition of calorie deficiency, even during adolescence, a time when the body needs to grow and be nourished. Even now, we can derive a very bad new stereotype: Japanese don't eat, Koreans don't sleep, Chinese don't rest. This may be strange for the West, but familiar with East Asians.

I think I should add that the earlier discussion of nutritional famine and poor conditions doesn't quite apply to Japan, which has developed well compared to its less fortunate Asian neighbors. But Japan has always had a culture of eating less due to being an island nation with relatively scarce resources. It's easy to find videos online of Japanese girls eating tiny cakes the size of their palms and pretending to be full. Regarding Japan, isn't it known that for a long time, and I don't know if it's still the case, Japanese AV deliberately chose men with smaller or average-sized penises for filming? The purpose of such filming is to give the majority of men who have average size confidence. And can someone really use the porn industry, which has always been racially discriminatory and pandering to stereotypes, to validate their racially biased beliefs?

My reply aims to express my understanding of this issue and offer thoughts that might help others who are similarly puzzled. We shouldn't deceive ourselves; in the past, we've seen both small and large, and we shouldn't deceive ourselves that all this is changing. Sometimes, to arrive at a comprehensive, neutral, and objective statement, one must invest a lot of effort and thought, not just pretend to be neutral.

Eating little or poorly, or having a terrible lifestyle, enormous pressure, that's why we have Asian stereotypes, and why it's so hard to objectively and soberly get rid of them logically, not just politically correctly.

So my personal conclusion is that there are no interracial differences. If you insist there are, yes, maybe one day we need to seriously discuss a difference of 0.1 inches, although it can be significantly exceeded daily, like trying to get harder or when it's a bit colder. There are no genetic endowment differences, but there are indeed cultural, dietary, and lifestyle differences. The latter is more complex than discussed here, but malnutrition is indeed too crucial; no matter how fine and varied the diet, insufficient quantity is not enough. (introduce a website: calcSD - About)

Many of my views are indeed based on my life experiences in China and discussions with Chinese friends. But given that when we talk about East Asia, we often actually mean China, I think my conclusions, while limited, are worth considering for everyone.

I apologize for this lengthy response about an old issue. It might have interrupted some people's mood for viewing pictures, but I think it's necessary to say these things, not for political correctness, but to clarify things.
 

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Well, this was originally sent in the thread "Asians with Big Dicks", but it seems to be too long for it since there are more about pictures sharing. So I put it here, Try to rationly understand the whole problem.


I apologize for bringing up an old issue that is not much discussed anymore, the size of Asian tools, but there seem to be some factors that have been overlooked for a long time.

First, we need to define 'Asian' as it is generally used here, which usually includes China, Korea, Japan, and a number of Southeast Asian countries, and possibly Taiwan depending on political views.

Famine, malnutrition, and poor national economic development have been the most serious problems in these countries in the past five to six decades. This is more severe than the usual malnutrition or use of dairy products discussed. During the worst times, Chinese people even ate kaolin to fill their stomachs or tree bark, which of course had no nutrition and eventually killed them. This may be quite different from poverty as understood in most of the Western world. An exception in these countries worth mentioning is Thailand, Japan, and Taiwan. Although they were also affected by this malnutrition, it was not as severe compared to other countries. It is also worth noting that the malnutrition or deficiency discussed here is actually based on the intake of calories, proteins, micronutrients, etc., and is a comparison with the typical diet of the Caucasian world, where the most severe malnutrition and deficiency were in countries like China, which were sadly associated with Soviet communism.

As for how to understand this type of famine, whether it's the famine that once occurred in Ukraine or China, or actually in North Korea today, these are good typical examples. There may be degrees of difference, but the nature of their problems is similar, having abundant resources but serious food problems due to insufficient distribution by the bureaucratic system. Another perhaps more familiar example in the Western world, which some people may realize after reading a lot of material, is the famine caused in Germany by the blockade during World War I. Although different, some elderly people in rural Germany may still retain the practice of growing potatoes to prevent famine, as potatoes are a very easy plant to grow and are indeed very nutritious.

A typical Chinese diet, I'm talking about now, and I mean a normal diet that meets the minimum material needs of a family, is actually not complicated in terms of macronutrient calculation: 200 grams of rice or noodles for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, equivalent to about 50 grams of carbohydrates per meal, 150 grams of carbs per day, mainly rice or noodles, 200 grams of meat per day is considered a lot, actually providing 50 grams of protein, and then no more than 40 grams of oil. This totals 1160 calories. As a reference, a standard diet should actually be around 2400 calories per day, even over 3000 for a more varied diet. The calculation of macronutrients is simple: 4 calories per gram for proteins and carbohydrates, and 9 calories per gram for fats. If necessary, you can verify this by entering your daily intake into cronometer.

Another data point related to living standards is that, according to official data from China in 2020, there are 600 million people with a monthly income of less than 1000 RMB (about 150 USD), including 220 million people with a monthly income of less than 500 RMB (about 75 USD). In China, the number of people with a monthly income of less than 2000 RMB (about 300 USD) reached 964 million. It should also be remembered that China has been known to manipulate its data, so these figures are likely beautified.

People don't think that when nutrition is insufficient, even with good genetic endowment, a person can grow very big. This actually explains a lot, especially considering the Asians who are in their forties and fifties now but were in their twenties and thirties when the thread started (06-08), i.e., the mainstream Asians seen at that time. Due to malnutrition, it's normal for them to be smaller than the global average. It might be a foot difference compared to the current world average of 5.5 inches; 4.5, and I'm being very generous with 4.5, considering my experience living in the north and visiting public baths. I thought about 3 feet, but those old people had lived through the Cultural Revolution or the Great Famine in China, hadn't they? This somewhat matches people's past personal experiences (sadly, yes, those Asians seen early in the thread, especially those with six or seven inches, might have had slightly better diets and environments, and could have grown an inch or more). Nutrition's impact on size can be understood as a shift to the left of the entire bell curve of penis size; if the curve goes from small to large from left to right, the curve has shifted left, so it seems that earlier Asians had a smaller average, but there were also larger ones.

As examples of how nutrition can impact human body size, I can cite two more cases. Medieval Europeans' heights can be reasonably inferred from the sizes of the armors found today, which suggest that Europeans, especially during the Middle Ages, were not taller than Easterners. I don't remember the exact figures, but I believe the inferred average height was around 1.5 meters. However, this has now reversed. Similarly, Dutch people have undergone a noticeable change in height over nearly 200 years due to increased intake of dairy products and proteins, reaching an average height of nearly 1.85 meters today. The influence of nutrition on physical development is much greater than we think, but it takes much longer than we might expect for an event to unfold.

I'm not trying to say that the earlier statements about Asians having smaller average sizes but also larger penises exist is without problems. There's an unintended malice in these statements. Yes, they're based on personal experiences, but those experiences only apply to the previous generation, the Asians who are now in their forties and fifties. Asian countries have undergone significant changes in the past three to four decades. Their economies have made their own achievements, so nutrition and living standards have changed a lot, although still relatively poor compared to the rich dietary life of the Western or Caucasian world. Because this was their past experience, it seemed reasonable to them, and it's the reason they unconsciously concluded that Asians are smaller. But extending this conclusion to all Asians, regardless of their growth environment and, intentionally or unintentionally, tracing it back to race, is problematic. Their real point is that they don't believe Asians can be large; they should first prove why they don't believe.

For those truly curious about the size of Asian tools, it may take some time before they see more, as the millennial generation has just grown up. Starting from this generation, it's possible to change the stereotype that Asians tend to be smaller and eliminate any interracial differences. I've heard from many of my Asian friends (specifically Chinese) that there's a lot of discussion about why the new generation seems to be significantly larger on average than their generation. Well, this is anecdotal evidence and may not prove much. But the disappearance of such gaps is always good, especially when these size differences actually reflect a country's development and the quality of people’s daily lives.

Some have mentioned research reports indicating that these interracial differences do exist, but these conclusions are based on specific samples. As I said, the previous generation is indeed a bit smaller, simply due to malnutrition and a horrific living environment. So, whatever report you look at, as long as the sample is based on people born before the 2000s, the data is more likely to be smaller. Everyone lives in a specific environment, but many surveys fail to consider this factor. For example, some American surveys overlook the harm done to homosexuals by homophobes during the Stonewall movement of the seventies and eighties, comparing masculinity between homosexual and heterosexual men.

Another important issue is the sexual shame of Asians. Asian culture not only avoids discussing sex but also views it as kind of taboo, much like pedophilia is taboo in the West. So yes, no matter what natural gifts an Asian man has, he's unlikely to be as openly confident about his masculinity as Caucasians. They consider it barbaric, shameful, and primitive, lacking in education. Yes, I think it's wrong, but that's the mainstream in Asian culture. Perhaps when you talk to Asian friends, they might say that's a thing of the past, but their subconscious is still influenced by culture.

So, when addressing this issue, the best response might be to post their own photos directly, but usually, they are reluctant to do so. Maybe it's just around the average, so posting it won't prove anything, but even if they are that large, they might not be interested in doing so. The cultural factors surrounding this issue are not as simple as a choice like Muslims not liking pork, but rather a complex, perhaps not so scientific or rigorous, collective subconscious-like thing. Caucasians generally don't have this problem because they've never been ashamed of sex, and if they're exceptionally endowed, they'd proudly display it. Such behavior would only invite severe criticism and social ostracism in Asian societies.

Regarding the issue of photos, there's another point worth discussing. I wonder if anyone has overlooked the elephant in the room: the full erection in Asians and Caucasians is different. Firstly, most Asians are growers, and the difference between their flaccid and erect conditions can be very impressive. On average, this change is more noticeable than in Caucasian growers. Secondly, possibly due to the aforementioned sexual shame or other subtle cultural reasons, many photos shown by Asians are only semi-erect (50%). A simple way to tell is that Asians are hard and upward when fully erect; when an Asian is about 75% erect, it no longer feels soft,

but many of the photos actually posted about Chinese are of commercial male models from China, and these commercial models' photos are mostly soft, maybe 50%, but definitely not over 75%. Therefore, many people might mistakenly think that these images represent their fully erect condition.

Additionally, there's another aspect that might venture into politically incorrect territory but is factual. Asian countries, especially East Asia (which often refers to China, Japan, and Korea, all parts of the Confucian cultural sphere), are very resistant to masculine traits. The Masculinity I mentioned demands bravery, self-expression, fighting for honor, etc., but in collectivist Asian countries, this is often seen as the biggest threat by rulers. So, even though every founding emperor or king was full of masculinity, knowing how they had rebelled, they also blocked the path they had taken, leading to a tendency towards demasculinization in Asian culture.

But we can understand this issue more simply. One might wonder how China could have such a vast territory with pre-information age technology. Rulers would go to great lengths to maintain their rule, plotting against their people and ruthlessly killing anyone who might try to rebel. This parallels our understanding of authoritarian regimes. A culture has long been formed: do not resist, conform, and abandon masculinity. Japan is an exception due to its samurai class, which changed Japanese society through coup d'états, so the perception of Japanese people is not as demasculinized.

I must point out that the masculinity I'm referring to is not about being alpha or sigma males but about being resilient, strong, willing to resist and speak up for oneself, like a warrior, and not "toxic masculinity."

Regarding the tendency towards demasculinization, it only applies internally within Asian countries when it comes to stability and security (preventing rebellion, etc.). In people's daily lives, it's not the case. Asian policies and cultural habits often say one thing officially but mean another in reality. The trend towards demasculinization is official, but in real life, people don't act that way. Male stars on TV may be increasingly feminized, but this inner aesthetic preference always remains a small minority in the population. A better explanation for this phenomenon is that investing in and operating male stars with a relatively feminine appearance, like those in Korea, is much cheaper and simpler than those with a rugged style.

About the genetic factors controlling size, it's indeed complex, but not as complex as imagined. 99% of the human genome consists of regulatory factors (auxiliary genomic elements), and 1% are actual genes (controlling enzymes or proteins). Especially with epigenetics now so hot, everyone should realize that their lifestyle, whether or not they get sunlight, what they eat, etc., all have profound effects on their gene expression. And yes, these effects can be passed down for many generations, although they can also be reversed within a generation. However, Asians live under a lot of stress. They go to school from primary to high school from 7 am(get up at 6 am) spending almost all day in classrooms or limited activity spaces until 5-6 pm(middle school) or even 10 pm(high school). They not only lack sunlight and physical exercise (teachers always say the PE teacher is sick), but their classroom lights are primitive, without blue light filtering LEDs. Their homework even forces them to work until 3-4 in the morning(Yes, and they get up at 5 or 6). Many might think I'm making this up, but this is the reality in China, where I've lived for many years. I think I don't need to add too much detail on how hard this life is, as these points are enough. As for whether these poor lifestyle habits can have such a deep impact even over such a long period, men can search for articles on how to increase testosterone to find out.

Imagine being a teenager growing up in such a sexually repressive environment, going to school every day not only without any pleasure but also destroying your sleep. Without space and time for independent thought, without sunlight, without exercise, repeatedly doing useless exercises only for scores. Even with the best genetic endowment, how much can it be utilized? If the earlier famines are too far removed from today's Asians, these hard lives are not. Everyone knows Asians are very diligent, but few think about how painful this diligence is. By the way, don't forget that most East Asians are still in a condition of calorie deficiency, even during adolescence, a time when the body needs to grow and be nourished. Even now, we can derive a very bad new stereotype: Japanese don't eat, Koreans don't sleep, Chinese don't rest. This may be strange for the West, but familiar with East Asians.

I think I should add that the earlier discussion of nutritional famine and poor conditions doesn't quite apply to Japan, which has developed well compared to its less fortunate Asian neighbors. But Japan has always had a culture of eating less due to being an island nation with relatively scarce resources. It's easy to find videos online of Japanese girls eating tiny cakes the size of their palms and pretending to be full. Regarding Japan, isn't it known that for a long time, and I don't know if it's still the case, Japanese AV deliberately chose men with smaller or average-sized penises for filming? The purpose of such filming is to give the majority of men who have average size confidence. And can someone really use the porn industry, which has always been racially discriminatory and pandering to stereotypes, to validate their racially biased beliefs?

My reply aims to express my understanding of this issue and offer thoughts that might help others who are similarly puzzled. We shouldn't deceive ourselves; in the past, we've seen both small and large, and we shouldn't deceive ourselves that all this is changing. Sometimes, to arrive at a comprehensive, neutral, and objective statement, one must invest a lot of effort and thought, not just pretend to be neutral.

Eating little or poorly, or having a terrible lifestyle, enormous pressure, that's why we have Asian stereotypes, and why it's so hard to objectively and soberly get rid of them logically, not just politically correctly.

So my personal conclusion is that there are no interracial differences. If you insist there are, yes, maybe one day we need to seriously discuss a difference of 0.1 inches, although it can be significantly exceeded daily, like trying to get harder or when it's a bit colder. There are no genetic endowment differences, but there are indeed cultural, dietary, and lifestyle differences. The latter is more complex than discussed here, but malnutrition is indeed too crucial; no matter how fine and varied the diet, insufficient quantity is not enough. (introduce a website: calcSD - About)

Many of my views are indeed based on my life experiences in China and discussions with Chinese friends. But given that when we talk about East Asia, we often actually mean China, I think my conclusions, while limited, are worth considering for everyone.

I apologize for this lengthy response about an old issue. It might have interrupted some people's mood for viewing pictures, but I think it's necessary to say these things, not for political correctness, but to clarify things.
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then why haven't the current generation of Japanese/Koreans/Singaporeans have kept up? I don't think diet would influence genetics greatly.
Firstly, it's not clear how you've concluded that Singaporeans, Japanese, and Koreans are lagging behind in this context. Secondly, the development of male genital organs, including the penis and testes, is significantly influenced by IGF-1 (Insulin-like Growth Factor). Studies in animals have shown that even if testosterone levels remain stable, any disruption to the growth hormone axis (where IGF-1 is released following liver stimulation by growth hormone) can notably impact the genital size after puberty. Furthermore, it's well-established that both growth hormone and IGF-1 are influenced by dietary intake. These hormones, along with somatostatin, are key regulatory elements evolved to manage nutritional challenges in animals. While medical literature doesn't frequently report on penile enlargement, in the case of Laron syndrome, administering IGF-1 can induce enlargement, though a reduction in size is often observed after a few weeks.
 
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Oh sure, just like genetics demands, those born at the bottom are destined to stay there forever, right? No matter how hard they work, no matter how much confidence they gain. After all, if you're from the lower class, you and your descendants are doomed to remain there. If their offspring suddenly soar high - well, that must mean they're a mix, not truly from the lower class stock. That's the logic we're going with, isn’t it? Some people have the right to dream to compensate for their pathetic boring life and deny anything that can hurt them.
 

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Firstly, it's not clear how you've concluded that Singaporeans, Japanese, and Koreans are lagging behind in this context. Secondly, the development of male genital organs, including the penis and testes, is significantly influenced by IGF-1 (Insulin-like Growth Factor). Studies in animals have shown that even if testosterone levels remain stable, any disruption to the growth hormone axis (where IGF-1 is released following liver stimulation by growth hormone) can notably impact the genital size after puberty. Furthermore, it's well-established that both growth hormone and IGF-1 are influenced by dietary intake. These hormones, along with somatostatin, are key regulatory elements evolved to manage nutritional challenges in animals. While medical literature doesn't frequently report on penile enlargement, in the case of Laron syndrome, administering IGF-1 can induce enlargement, though a reduction in size is often observed after a few weeks.
How does it explain Africans having larger penises despite having poor nutrition? So their strong big penis genetics override any malnutrition while asians need really good nutrition to overcome their natural small penis genetics?
 

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Oh sure, just like genetics demands, those born at the bottom are destined to stay there forever, right? No matter how hard they work, no matter how much confidence they gain. After all, if you're from the lower class, you and your descendants are doomed to remain there. If their offspring suddenly soar high - well, that must mean they're a mix, not truly from the lower class stock. That's the logic we're going with, isn’t it? Some people have the right to dream to compensate for their pathetic boring life and deny anything that can hurt them.
But that's implying that a small penis means you're inferior. I don't know why asians find it so difficult to accept, there's nothing inherently bad about having a small dick. they should just accept it.
 

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How does it explain Africans having larger penises despite having poor nutrition? So their strong big penis genetics override any malnutrition while asians need really good nutrition to overcome their natural small penis genetics?
Good point.
 

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How does it explain Africans having larger penises despite having poor nutrition? So their strong big penis genetics override any malnutrition while asians need really good nutrition to overcome their natural small penis genetics?
You don't give further data on Asians, you also don't give data on blacks. By black, do you mean porn stars, or do you know the average size of black persons who live in developed countries, or do you know the size of sub-Saharan Africa? It is common sense to choose blacks with greater penises. in the case of the porn industry. If you are talking about sub-Saharan Africa, do you know that the average life expectancy of sub-Saharan Africans is still only 40 or 50 years old, and they regard AIDS, a disease that only occurs in 10 years, as a non-disease? If you just don't respond to the questions I raised before, and continue to throw out new opinions or questions further instead of discussing this question by logic, it is meaningless. If you can prove the average size of Asians is still not particularly good-looking by data or study other than stereotypes or some so-called common sense, you can send out the report, I can read it, if you can't prove it that can't even be responsible for your opinion and you can't expect others to take it seriously.
If the black penis is really bigger than the average, and their average is about an inch higher than the global average, then any black African country can easily make a fortune by porn since the size of anyone who appears on the road in this country is bigger than any countries, Instead of in the world's current pornography system, Prague, Czech Republic, is still a place that has to rely on human trafficking and extreme video to become a pornographic capital. Six, seven, eight inches, which people think is average or big, should be counted as small in black people's eyes, But when you really have so many black friends to ask, how many of them will agree with this point sincerely?
Of course, you can continue to prove your point with the false impressions about the world provided by the porn industry and the media, but it is just not true. , I'm not sending this thing to further strengthen political correctness, But to discuss this problem rationally. Asians are not born smaller, blacks are not born bigger. Don't say something is natural easily, You need to prove it not just say it behind free speech.
 
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But that's implying that a small penis means you're inferior. I don't know why asians find it so difficult to accept, there's nothing inherently bad about having a small dick. they should just accept it.
? First of all, I must point out that my whole passage is ironic because everyone knows that a person born from the bottom does not mean that he has been at the bottom all his life, Just to use such a contradictory example to point out what wrong logic and bad things genetics in culture, rather than genetics in biological science, has brought to people.
Secondly, the reason why they don't accept it is very simple, because that is not true. You can't force people to accept something that is not true. Is it your first reaction when anyone speaks badly of you in public, not to show that it is not correct, but to continue to be complacent since the person says you should accept it, it is not a big deal and is not inherently bad, especially if it may not occur on the street, but in your company? It is wrong to spread a bad impression about someone or a group of people in public. You can definitely say anything you want to say in private, but in public, bad and false impressions will violate the interests of others.
 
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It would be interesting to see the difference between generations, who knows what lies in store in 20 or 40 years. I haven't seen many Asian guys naked, but i remember one in the locker room. He was adopted (from Korea), raised in the Netherlands. And he was actually quite tall (almost 1.90) and soft his dick was bigger than mine, probably 11-12 cm.
 

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? First of all, I must point out that my whole passage is ironic because everyone knows that a person born from the bottom does not mean that he has been at the bottom all his life, Just to use such a contradictory example to point out what wrong logic and bad things genetics in culture, rather than genetics in biological science, has brought to people.
Secondly, the reason why they don't accept it is very simple, because that is not true. You can't force people to accept something that is not true. Is it your first reaction when anyone speaks badly of you in public, not to show that it is not correct, but to continue to be complacent since the person says you should accept it, it is not a big deal and is not inherently bad, especially if it may not occur on the street, but in your company? It is wrong to spread a bad impression about someone or a group of people in public. You can definitely say anything you want to say in private, but in public, bad and false impressions will violate the interests of others.
So… the reason is not that it’s not true after all. You see, no one’s speaking badly or spreading bad impression, however if your point is (and from this response it looks like it is) to keep body shaming but not do it to you, then fuck it, really. The only reason dick size stats have any significance in the world is the stigmatization and emasculization that comes with having a penis measuring below a certain standard, which allows to strip people out of relevance and authority. But you see that and decide to play along, only making sure that some of your friends don’t get hurt in the process. Let me ask you, I f someone says you’re not a real man cause you’re gay, do you prove them that you’re straight actually or dismiss the idea that being gay makes you any less of a man?
 
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So… the reason is not that it’s not true after all. You see, no one’s speaking badly or spreading bad impression, however if your point is (and from this response it looks like it is) to keep body shaming but not do it to you, then fuck it, really. The only reason dick size stats have any significance in the world is the stigmatization and emasculization that comes with having a penis measuring below a certain standard, which allows to strip people out of relevance and authority. But you see that and decide to play along, only making sure that some of your friends don’t get hurt in the process. Let me ask you, I f someone says you’re not a real man cause you’re gay, do you prove them that you’re straight actually or dismiss the idea that being gay makes you any less of a man?
"keep body shaming but not do it to you"is not my point. I just don't think two or three sentences can make a racist change his point of view, especially when his ID is "white jock", who thinks being crazy about white people is exhausting. In fact, I didn't want to reply when I saw this ID. but I think there will be a bunch of people like him expecting such a stupid speech to appear here, so I need to respond to this speech, especially when I started this thread. ,
I know what you mean, just like that an ugly or short person doesn't mean that he will live a bad life. Of course, We can't force a disabled person to feel a non-disabled person is better than him. But no one wants to be disabled, and no one wants to be shorter or uglier than others. It is certainly true that the disabled can live a good life, but If a disabled person can make himself healthy so that he can walk or see again, Then why he should think that a disabled life is also a way of life, instead of immediately turning himself healthy? Only when something bad is true that this is his reality does he need to try to change his thinking and live a better life. But when a person just moves a little slower than others before and is not disabled, and others are spreading that he is disabled even though he has changed now, And then tell him that he can live well even if he is disabled, the problem changes, because, In fact, he is not a disabled person after all, but the consequence of all of this is that he really starts to think that he is disabled even though he is not. People should live in the real world, instead of taking other people's imagination of themselves as reality. Yes, diversity is good, but the problem is not to disturb others' cognition of themself, and not to turn facts and reality into delusions made by media and chaos. People are in a post-truth era, and their cognition of the world is fabricated by the media and false prejudice. Don't care what the real looks like, but what it looks like "culturally" and politically, that's exactly how the media that politicians manipulate influences how people perceive it, when many of us think that is how China manipulates others, have we actually thought that the Western media also manipulates like this and they play this trick more efficient and subtle.
My sentence "the reason ..." was made like this on purpose for rhetorical effect.
I also understand what you mean by not participating. Yes, if that bad situation is true, for someone, Of course, we can ignore this and get along well with them, But if someone comes with bias and puts this question in the face continuously, Fighting back is a more effective response than ignoring.
If someone says it to me like this, I will say that he is wrong, and it is very wrong. Of course, I can ignore all this and live well, but if someone must take this seriously with me, Then I'll let him know that even if he is serious, he will lose by any aspect.
 
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I was with an Asian friend years ago.. he was so sexy and all and got to knowing him.. ( he was a transfer student at the college I went to)


He spoke English pretty good and he started talking to me about homosexuality in his country in some areas wasn’t treated as bad as it was in others .. but here at the college it looked like being gay was being accepted..

I told him to a lot of gay guys.. like myself .. don’t care what others think.. .. and here we take up for each other if any assholes felt different about it..


He had two things to deal with here.. being Asian as a lot of people around area were racist pricks .. but on the college grounds where a lot of students came from across country and around the world .. we treated each other equally .. sure there’s always a few bad apples in the bunch .. but we were allowed to be proud to be who we are …



One weekend he stayed at my place for the weekend …. My room mates were gone home to visit their parents as it was a three day weekend ..

He was like wow you live far away from the city .. I was like yeah.. told him I can swim naked and jerk off on porch or even have sex in my front yard .. the yard was fenced in with wooden boards and the driveway had a gate that had to enter a code or I had to beep to let you in ..a friend of mine had same setup as he wanted complete privacy when he was home ..

He was like cool. And said he can walk around the room he was going to be sleeping in naked..

I told him he was sleeping in my room and I was going to sleep on the couch .. and as for being naked in the room.. go for it .. or if he wanted to walk around naked sleep naked eat naked or whatever .. it’s ok .. as I will prob do it as long as he didn’t have any problems with it..

He was fine with it..

It got dark outside so he took a shower and comes through the house drying his hair and was naked .. penis a flopping and balls .. and his body so smooth .. all I saw he had hair on the front was around his cock n balls ..



I joked around asked him damn.. how big is that thing when hard.. all he said was show him mine and he’d show me his..



I said I’d do better than that.. and stripped completely in front of him.. he sees my dick .. rock hard already thanks to him .. he was like his wasn’t as big as mine .. I said well I showed you mine now your turn.. he walks over sits on the couch and I sat next to him .. his body was still wet in spots where hadn’t dried yet .. and I leaned over licked his nipple as it was wet .. and then sucked on it some .. then sat back ..
He says do that again.. I was like sure .. I sucked on the same nipple and worked my way to the other one and sucked on it .. then I ran my tongue down his wet chest and kissing it kind of sucking the water off his skin as I made my way do his stomach and there he was rock hard … I was expecting. 4.5 to 5 inch cock but he was little over 7 and thick ..


I wasn’t expecting that as he had a smaller frame and seeing his dick limp .. I was like nice but seeing it hard I was like totally nice ..


So the times I had heard jokes about Asians and Chinese guys all have tiny cocks .. I beg to differ


As for getting bigger over time it’s happening everywhere not just in china or japan .. I saw one person with near 9 inches and still had time to grow
 

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Well there are official statistics.
A quick google shows the numbers:
Average erected penis size sorted by region
Africa: 5,85 in
Asia: 4,66 in
Europe: 5,55 in
North America: 5,74 in
Oceania: 6,18 in
South America: 5,70 in

So it's not a cliché, it's a statistic.
The problem here is "average". If you look at Gaussian normal distribution, there must be a lot of men under and a lot of men above average. But the further you move away from the average, the rarer the dick sizes become.

There are some theories, why average dick size in Asia is smaller. It could be that eating a lot of soy food is bad for men's dick sizes, because it contains plant estrogens.
 

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I never look at statistics for anything.. they don’t know the size of every guys penis out there.. they get it from people that answer questions and hope they are telling the truth..

When they say “average size”. That means a lot of the men asked size were maybe that size .. but there are millions of guys they don’t ask or guys say it’s no one’s business