Good point about personal safety that hasn't really been mentioned! Kind of glad that there are some guys who have thought this through...:wink:
MY RANT: there's a reason why porn is HUGE
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Good point about personal safety that hasn't really been mentioned! Kind of glad that there are some guys who have thought this through...:wink:
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An exception. I have met girls like that too but the vast VAST majority of women expect to have the man pay for everything. The best you might get (usually) is the woman paying halfs but even that aside, the man has to do lots of chasing and jumping through hoops.
I note you say "the girl" and not "the girls" which proves my point.
Anyway I'm not bitter or aggressive about it like the OP. I am merely pointing out the woeful state of affairs when it comes to sexual inequality in dating/relationships.
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Wrong. Porn is big business because men have an insatiable desire for variety, and because we wait much longer to get married than we did 60 years ago, and during marriage, it can be big when a wife denies her husband sex.
I'd say that's pretty shitty advice.
Sure, you want immediate sexual gratification and women want other things before sex. Women and men are different, get over it.
Women initiate the overwhelming majority of divorces in the US.
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Been reading this thread and felt the need to respond. I want to make sure I understand your point. In your OP, you make a point that the keystone of any relationship is sex, and if a woman does not give her man sex whenever he wants it, the relationship will ultimately fail. You state that all divorce, infidelity, etc... is because a man is not getting enough sex out of the relationship. Is this really what you wanted to say? You truly do not believe that anything else could possibly be a factor in keeping a couple together or splitting them apart? You really believe that a man is not more than his penis?
In a later post, you remark: "a woman's nature is to deny facts, logic and truth. and substitute it with emotional nonsense". You realize that the title of your post is "My Rant" which by definition is NOT a calm argument. You may want to read your OP again, because it is quite clear that you made a number of angry, frustrated statements which sound like emotional nonsense - and you are definitely not a woman. The OP had 3 basic points - sex is the keystone of any relationship, women need to see that sex is the keystone or else they will lose their man and be alone, and that you are sick of dating because women don't fuck on the first date - you don't want the fluff you want sex. Berating the women who responded to issue of first date sex for "not getting it" is clearly wrong, because it was the driver of the entire OP. Can you see that perhaps it is not about what women are perceiving, but rather what and how you are communicating that may be the issue? Not only on the posts, but with your ability to entice women to have sex with you on the first date? Because if you have read any of the posts and threads, the women on this site enjoy sex and value sex in their personal lives and relationships. Some of us have and would consider having sex on the first date an option. They try to be and generally are very supportive, and would be a great resource if you approach them with a desire to understand. Because clearly whatever you are doing isn't working - you can continue on this way if you want, but don't expect different results.
Been reading this thread and felt the need to respond. I want to make sure I understand your point. In your OP, you make a point that the keystone of any relationship is sex, and if a woman does not give her man sex whenever he wants it, the relationship will ultimately fail. You state that all divorce, infidelity, etc... is because a man is not getting enough sex out of the relationship. Is this really what you wanted to say? You truly do not believe that anything else could possibly be a factor in keeping a couple together or splitting them apart? You really believe that a man is not more than his penis?
In a later post, you remark: "a woman's nature is to deny facts, logic and truth. and substitute it with emotional nonsense". You realize that the title of your post is "My Rant" which by definition is NOT a calm argument. You may want to read your OP again, because it is quite clear that you made a number of angry, frustrated statements which sound like emotional nonsense - and you are definitely not a woman. The OP had 3 basic points - sex is the keystone of any relationship, women need to see that sex is the keystone or else they will lose their man and be alone, and that you are sick of dating because women don't fuck on the first date - you don't want the fluff you want sex. Berating the women who responded to issue of first date sex for "not getting it" is clearly wrong, because it was the driver of the entire OP. Can you see that perhaps it is not about what women are perceiving, but rather what and how you are communicating that may be the issue? Not only on the posts, but with your ability to entice women to have sex with you on the first date? Because if you have read any of the posts and threads, the women on this site enjoy sex and value sex in their personal lives and relationships. Some of us have and would consider having sex on the first date an option. They try to be and generally are very supportive, and would be a great resource if you approach them with a desire to understand. Because clearly whatever you are doing isn't working - you can continue on this way if you want, but don't expect different results.
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Well, that certainly seems to be true all over the country. Bad for men, and great for thin women and fit women, whose value has soared as their numbers have diminished relative to the horde of fatty mcfatties. A thin girl doesn't even need to be pretty to get lots of male attention these days - she stands out by virtue of not being huge.
I live very close to a college campus and it is amazing how fat these girls are compared to when I was in college. And that's still late teens/early 20s. And they just get bigger, on average, when they enter the workforce, and even bigger after marriage, and bigger again after children.
I like this person.
p.s. I NEVER want to live in LA. It sounds terrible if everyone uses sex/relating as a bargaining chip. I will say this, if you view relationships that way, you will be more likely to attract people who also think that way. And for a straight man, I would say that's bad news bears because that means you will be more likely to be extremely frustrated down the road when your girl stops putting out because she "caught" you and she doesn't think she has to do anything to "keep" you. I am happy to be in a relationship where I get tons of sex, plenty of affection, strong friendship bonds, and all without this whole "you owe me" mentality. Yuckies.
Don't hate those of us who live in LA! Like any other major city, there are a variety of people here. I've been here for a few years, was concerned about some of my preconceptions and happily most of the people I've met (and I travel all over SoCal for my job) are wonderful, kind, and real. I think you are absolutely right about attracting people of the same mindset - if something isn't working make a change - people need to stop complaining when they get the same results for the same behavior.
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Very good points! I have to totally agree. And I have to point out that this is something that not many men realize, and lots of women don't think about either.
I'm lucky that no one I've ever been on a date with has behaved in a physically threatening way, but enough men have done things so that now I'm constantly reminded that I'm someone's prey. The world is not a safe place for women.
Last summer I was going to this convention in Las Vegas that is mostly attended by men and is known for it's fun and wild nights. On the convention forum I was trying to organize a meetup group of women so that we could make sure that we kept one another safe, so that no one got roofied or sexually assaulted or anything that would ruin the fun. Lots of men and women kept insisting that there was no point, that I would be fine and that the men are great. I couldn't believe the naivety of the people who didn't understand the dangers. Thousands of men, most of them drunk, does not make for a safe environment for a woman, especially when there are about 30 men per woman. It only takes one predator. I didn't mention that the two other times I'd gone, things had happened to me, even though I'm always 100% sober in dangerous environments like that, not that it helps me out very much. The first time I was corned by a drunken guy who refused to let me out of the room unless I kissed him, and the other time a drunken security volunteer insisted that I had issues with my credentials and I had to sit on his lap before he would help me resolve it. That happened in the lobby where there were several hundred people, and a half dozen people witnessed it. The reactions of the witnesses, all male? Drunken laughter. That second time, that experience was so disturbing to me that I only attended the first day and I didn't return. For professional reasons, I was considering attending another one, but this time I was trying to make sure that nothing happened to anyone by making people aware of the problem and finding practical solutions, like meetups where the women who were alone could meet other women and keep one another safe. I was met with resistance. It drove home the point to me that most men just don't even think about it or have any concept of what it's like for a woman.
Guys don't think about things like that. They don't have to. The men who aren't predatory don't know how the predatory guys treat women and what that experience is like for us.
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This is so true - I only have one incident but it really shocked me and heightened my attention to safety. I was in Paris on business, and while I was with a couple of co-workers (all of us wearing suits so it wasn't about dress) on a half filled Metro during the middle of the day, a man (complete stranger) got behind me and started grinding and thrusting. I really did not take it as a compliment. I am not paranoid about my personal safety, but I make it a point now to be very aware of my environment. A simple example, when a man goes out to his car in a parking lot at night he just walks out and gets into his car. Nearly all women will be scanning for people, have the keys in her hand with one held defensively to be used as protection, glance in the back of the car, get in, locking all the doors once seated. There is a reason why predators prey disporportionately upon women. It is definitely a different world for us, and I think most men know this intellectually but don't really get how it affects our lives on a daily basis. I think if they asked their wives, mothers, sisters or any female in their lives about what their standard operating procedure is, they would be shocked.
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