My theory on size evolution

[Wyldgusechaz]

My theory on the evolution of penis size. I saw some of this in either Mens Health or Mens Journal.


Humans have very large cocks relative to other
primates. The natural assumption is that females
prefer larger cocked men as partners and as such the
penis is getting larger as we evolve.

Let me offer a differing theory. I think the human
enlarged penis evolved early in modern man’s history
as a sign stimulus for other males, not females. As
man began to walk upright, his cock became more
visible to others. Possibly, the larger the penis, the
more dominant the male. The more dominant the male the
more females with which he was able to copulate.
Females to this day are attracted to powerful males.
The more females he screwed the more offspring he had
and the more his large cock genes were passed down.

Also the most powerful primates on earth, the 500
pound gorilla has a 2 inch penis. No one can see his
penis, he walks on all fours, and his dominance in his
group is strictly due to his strength.

Powerful dominant male primates engage in dominance
humping, where the dom males will hump smaller weaker
males as a sign of their power and place. We even can
see a bit of that here on LPSG, where the currency is
cock size, there is no doubt that the larger cocked
men are prized over smaller men. Small men are not
excluded but there is this underlying buzz by both
men and women that big cocks rule the site. Project
that back 250000 years, and I don’t think it has
changed.

Also look at how much the MEN here praise big dicks.
The men here know their place generally and we sort it
out by size. Gay men praise and drool over large cocks
much more than the women. Both gay and straight men
post pictures and videos of internet monsters they
have found with a kind of reverence. Women here enjoy
looking at the big ones but they don’t obsess over it.
Men obsess over it here just like I think they did
250000 years ago. We even see here smaller men offering their women to larger men ostensibly to please the woman but more as I think as this weird voyeur thing. YOu don't see women suggesting that their males go fuck virgins so they can watch. Its strictly a male pre occupation with size.

However, as man became more civilized, the real
currency that exists today that women want to
associate with is power. That is what they wanted
250000 years ago, not penis size. Now power is
defined not by cock size but by material wealth.
Beautiful women flock to powerful men, of that there
can be no question. Jack Welch the powerful former
head of GE said it best,, “money is better than a
full head of hair in getting women.” And it is far
better than being well endowed in getting females.
Genghis Khan’s genes likely still exist today in large
numbers because he literally fucked thousands of women
in his conquering of Asia and Europe. His power
allowed him to fuck all those women.

What is power today? It is being gainfully employed
for one. The more gainfully employed you are the more
likely you are to have access to females. And honestly
the more money you have the better looking the females
you get to fuck. Hugh Hefner anyone?

And today? Economic power is flowing to Asia,
especially China and India. I won’t talk about penis
size cause it is such a hot button, but testicle size
is smaller in Asians and larger in Africans. Whites
are in the middle. Africans are falling further and
further behind the rest of the world in every
conceivable measure and they are still subject to
severe famine and epidemics like AIDS. In my opinion
testicles (and cocks) are getting smaller, not larger
as Asians are beginning to acquire power.

 

[Wyldgusechaz]

Want to add that the cuckolding of a weaker male by his woman and a well endowed male seems to fit right in with this. I don't get it but it seems to come from somewhere deep, that men want to serve other men sexually only doe the the other males sexual prowess.

 

[fortiesfun]

That is surprisingly plausible...

 

[Wyldgusechaz]

That is surprisingly plausible...

Why surprisingly?

 

[jimbob369]

...That's pretty profound.

 

[Adam875]

The most interesting post I think I've ever read on LPSG. Thanks!

 

[earllogjam]

What good is a big dick when the guy with the smaller dick can beat the living snot out of you? I see no survival advantage.

 

[dong20]

Some may find this an interesting read.

Sexual Organs and Heteorchonic Theory (Penis and Testicle Size, Clitoris Location, etc.)

 

[lorne]

I think you might be onto somthing

 

[Wyldgusechaz]

What good is a big dick when the guy with the smaller dick can beat the living snot out of you? I see no survival advantage.

Many battles between males of all species are highly ritualized. They don't really fight, they just display. Large antlers or beating the chest and making threat postures. Just standing upright with a huge erection, bigger than than opponent may have been enough to discourage a real fight.

Also perhaps the most hung male would have the support of the group if he were threatened.

 

[LACJohn]

Great post, gonna play devils advocate a little so don't get pissed lol...Ill put my own opinion at the bottom:

Why would he have the support of the group? Because a bunch of gay males are drooling over his cock? Or straight males? I doubt it, gay men won't produce the next generation of children, the well hung guy is competing with other straight guys for women. Wouldn't there also be feelings of jeolous among the straight guys? I'm sure they would be thinking, "Oh, I'm bigger and stronger than this dude, but just because his cock is a foot long he gets the pussy!" Yes, a penis is PRAISED, but it is also an object of envy. Remember, the penis IS just tissue. There is no muscle. Its a sensitive organ that would only get in the way in a fight if you have a huge flaccid dick flapping around.

For what I'm gonna say next, you gotta come up with a definition of how big is big. Do you consider the current average size now (6 inches, IMO) "big" when it comes to penises in general?

For the most part, small penises would have been eliminated if this were true. There are still people nowadays having children who are well below the average size. Ancient societies actually valued small penises. The Greeks thought that large penises were comical, and thus were depicted in satires with pictures of goat-men with soft cocks drooping down to their knees. The god-like man had alot of muscle definition, as seen in many of their sculptures. Yes, in our society, a large penis is good, but I think there are alot of other qualities in men that women look for (if size was enough then I'd be at least getting a fair amount of pussy).

If I lived back in a time where there were ritualized dances like that (and there probably were, I'm not so sure about this though, LOL), I would be far more intimidated/impressed by a very muscular male who looks like he would dominate in a real physical fight than the average male nowadays who has a giant shlong. Sorry gentlemen, size has nothing to do with fighting prowness or intimidation.

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Alright, heres my personal opinion on the matter:

As you well know, evolution is a "population based phenomenon." Traits that help survive and traits that are more sexually selected for by females will be inherited by subsequent generations. However, penises nowadays is one of the most diverse things about people! Look at everything that can differ, size, girth, vascularity, color tones, foreskin (if not removed), the way it bends. That kinda reveals that it hasn't really been selected for by females in that aspect. However, I do agree that it has increased drastically from the common ancestor of humans and chimps.

I think the size increased from the common ancestor of the gorillas primarily because of the shift to bipedalism, just like you said in your original post, wyld. But penis size wasn't sexually selected for by women....rather, it was selected because of this: Because our brain size is PROPORTIONALLY MUCH LARGER than any other primates, women's vaginas had to accomodate accordingly to allow a baby with very large heads to pass through unharmed (although the women are hurt in the process, of course). Because of this vaginal change, the penis had to grow long enough to be able to impregnate women with these vaginas.

Thus, 2" penises are obviously not suited for impregnating women with vaginas are flexibile enough for the increased demands of childbirth. But really, whether you are 4" or if you tote a massive 12 incher, it was probably enough back then to stay inside a woman and impregnate her.

Even if you are fucking a girl with a VERY tight pussy, a 2 incher would keep slipping out, and there was probably a great chance back then to fall out during copulation and shoot your load all over the woman, which is sexy, but of course is a waste of scarce nutrients and time. Plus, its ineffective.

So your kinda right, wyld =).


Just throwing this fact out....it could actually help your arguement...just some random info! The chimpanzee, which is smaller than both human and apes, have larger testicles than both humans and gorillas. I think humans are larger than gorillas when it comes to testicle size too. All gorilla's proteins are going to their massive strength lol.

 

[Not_Punny]

Interesting theory, LACJohn -- gives new meaning to the phrase, "survival of the fittest"... :biggrin1:

 

[BigDuder]

I think it is probably because for the 100,000 or so years before we developed civilization, and for most places after that, monogamy wasn't practiced. in fact, some tribes still have rituals where the woman is bred by banging every member of the tribe. big penises probabky deposit sperm closer to the egg. i base this theory on nothing, but it is just as likely as the "big penis = king of the males theory". why wouldn't a muscular guy with a medium size prick just kill the larger males in your society?

 

[dalibor]

Very interesting discussion, with thoughtful theories. Power is definitely THE preference for females over other attractions. As a gay man I often marvel that beautiful young women I know will just go crazy over some out of shape old fart that I wouldn't give the time of day. I hear it over and over, and it's obvious in society at large.
Your theory about male on male domination rituals also seems right to me. Both gay and straight men are fascinated by large penises, although there is a different nuance perhaps to their interest.
I, for one, am very turned on by the struggle for dominance between two men in a sexual situation and the one submitting sexually to the other. You will notice that in gay porn it's the better hung guy who tops his partner 90 percent of the time (the other 10 percent is just a deliberate topsy turvy attempt to surprise).

 

[Wyldgusechaz]

thank you for all the thoughtful replies.

One thing when we talk about genetics is to be able to divest yourself of your modern thoughts and project back to what the first homo sapiens did and felt. We think in words of our native language. The first man had no words. There was no way to organize thoughts. We are talking 250000 years ago or one million generations. Also I doubt there was much difference in size of the first humans. Look at most animals, there is little size difference amongst them. Most chimps sorta look the same. same size and weight.

This is our closest direct genetic match, the common chimp and the bonobo.

bonobo: (note the existence of male pattern baldness!!)Bonobo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Common chimp: Common Chimpanzee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There was not a bruising powerful Mike Tyson and a smallish Dustin Hoffman.
There was not likely, when our cocks were evolving, great differences in strength. Anything weak and below the standard size needed to survive simply died very young, so the idea of a really muscular small cocked male and a weak but well endowed male likely did not exist.

I am certain penis size was not selected for by female choice. If so, then there would still be, buried in our genes, the strong desire for ALL women to mate with only well endowed men. Female preference for a big cock is rather weak. However broad shoulders, tall height, vivid coloring and above all perfect symmetry are very strong attractors.

 

[Drifterwood]

The average human penis is perfectly evolved to deposit sperm at the optimum depth of the average human vagina.

 

[fortiesfun]

The average human penis is perfectly evolved to deposit sperm at the optimum depth of the average human vagina.

Or did the average human vagina develop the optimum depth to capture sperm from the average human penis? I always get that one confused?

 

[D_Rock_ N_Hardon]

this theory is already supported within the scientific community

 

[D_Gladhand Glassnads III]

Because our brain size is PROPORTIONALLY MUCH LARGER than any other primates, women's vaginas had to accomodate accordingly to allow a baby with very large heads to pass through unharmed (although the women are hurt in the process, of course). Because of this vaginal change, the penis had to grow long enough to be able to impregnate women with these vaginas.

Thus, 2" penises are obviously not suited for impregnating women with vaginas are flexibile enough for the increased demands of childbirth. But really, whether you are 4" or if you tote a massive 12 incher, it was probably enough back then to stay inside a woman and impregnate her.

I don't know if anyone addressed this (havent read the whole thread), but scientifically this isn't true

its been established that size plays absolutely no role in whether or not its easier to get a girl pregnant

if this really were the case and size played a direct quantifiable role in it, in countries where the average male size is small there would be population deficits, and you can see that isnt the case

 

[B_superlarge]

if this really were the case and size played a direct quantifiable role in it, in countries where the average male size is small there would be population deficits, and you can see that isnt the case

Error. You only address one half of the equation. In those countries where the average male is small the women are also smaller than women as a whole on this planet.