NAACP and the Tea Party

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I haven't demonstrated racism in any form.

I simply stated that Dr. King and Rev. Wright were anti-Semitic. Which they were/are.

You sir, are laughable. Posting inaccurate and incorrect statements about a political figure IS racist. But I'm getting ahead of myself... you're completely off-base about King, but to make matters worse, you make statements like this:

And the Jew-hating Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Instead of stating "Dr. King was anti-Semitic", you call him "the Jew-hating Dr. Martin Luther King Jr." This is completely wrong, but I'll get to that in a minute.

You're not all that subtle about telegraphing your own bias, starinvestor. Word selection (aka the bias stylebook) is the very first arrow in the quiver of the biased.

But let's go my real point: you're confusing your history and as a result, you are -- per usual -- completely wrong. First off, if you're just generically thinking of modern day black leaders, I suppose you could be confusing Louis Farrakhan and Martin Luther King, Jr. Farrakahn has made anti-Semitic statements and promulgated poisonous views of the Jewish community. King did not.

Or perhaps you're just off on your name recognition. Maybe you're confusing Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. with Martin Luther (the 16th century German priest who founded the Protestant Reformation). Luther was extremely anti-Semitic. King was not.

Wikipedia said:
In his later years, Luther became strongly anti-Judaic, writing that Jewish homes should be destroyed, their synagogues burned, money confiscated and liberty curtailed. These statements have made Luther a controversial figure among many historians and religious scholars.[8]

See Wikipedia article on Martin Luther...


Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was NOT anti-Semitic. If you need further proof, perhaps you'd like to read the Statement of the Anti-Defamation League:

Anti-Defamation League said:
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. challenged the country’s well-established structure of segregation and racial discrimination by leading marches and boycotts in the Jim Crow South. He inspired people across the nation with his commanding oratory and committed his life to extinguishing the flames of racism, which had divided our country since the days of slavery. By exposing Americans to his dream of universal civil rights through non-violent protest he helped transform our collective conscience.

We pay tribute to a man whose pursuit of equality and justice helped shape a vision of America as a country where all people could live and work together without regard to their color, creed or religion.

ADL pays special tribute to Dr. King for his dedication to combating anti-Semitism. He was a leader in the struggle to free Soviet Jewry and supported Israel’s right to a secure and independent state. His deep understanding of our shared history helped usher in an era of steady cooperation and mutual respect. Dr. King understood that, "The segregationists and racists make no fine distinction between the Negro and the Jew."

His commitment to fighting anti-Semitism continued throughout his life. In a letter to Jewish leaders just months before his death Dr. King stated, "I will continue to oppose it [anti-Semitism], because it is immoral and self-destructive." His life was truly his message, and today his message continues to transcend race, religion and time.
Perhaps King’s greatest legacy was his conviction that justice for Black people could not be achieved in a vacuum—but rather that all Americans must live free from oppression in order to guarantee freedom. The most fitting honor we can pay Dr. King on his birthday is to recommit ourselves to the principles of social justice for which he gave his life.

See Anti-Defamation League statement on MLK...

Maybe you're not familiar with the ADL? Here's their mission statement:

Anti-Defamation League said:
"The immediate object of the League is to stop, by appeals to reason and conscience and, if necessary, by appeals to law, the defamation of the Jewish people. Its ultimate purpose is to secure justice and fair treatment to all citizens alike and to put an end forever to unjust and unfair discrimination against and ridicule of any sect or body of citizens."

ADL Charter October 1913

Need to see that in print? Here it is... I mean, who exactly are you going to believe about Dr. Martin Luther King's beliefs? I didn't know the guy personally, but I am pretty sure if he was anti-Semitic, the ADL certainly wouldn't be heralding him on their website.

So, what gives with you, starinvestor? How do you continually, repeatedly, flagrantly ignore facts and post your opinions (or the opinions of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, or other assorted entertainment specialists) disguised as facts in order to promote your own hate-filled agenda of anti-Obama-isms and the like? Why do you repeatedly frame forum threads to incite and inflame this community?

How do you do it? How do you get away with repeated violations of the Terms of Service of LPSG? More importantly, what or who drives you to do all of this?
 

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"More whining by the NAACP"

A very safe rule of thumb which I encourage everyone to apply: anyone online who uses the word "whine" or variations thereof to describe others' complaints or objections is a bully whose objective is infantilizing and humiliating the "opponent."
 
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Your "tanning bed" thread is more than apparent. :rolleyes:
Carry on with your falsehoods.

lol...missed the fun. Hey, I tan as often as I can...look like "death warmed over" without one.

But as someone else observed in another thread, these references to NAACP and the drumming up of other race baited code words and symbols (Black Panthers and such) is indeed "playing the race card" - ironically the exact words "they" use, only now race based rhetoric for the purpose of inciting and inflaming voters as elections grow nearer.

They're hoping voters will forget WHICH PARTY opposed healthcare and blocked the bills designed to provide financial relief to millions of Americans.

So look for more of the old "same o same o".
 

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the 'Tea Party' Is NOT racist at all.
This is classic Divide can conquer.
Whenever anyone has a good idea, or is gaining momentum The power that be, play the 'race card' EVERY time. I am not a member of the 'Tea party' but you have to look past the whole left right paradigm on this one.
It is total bullshit.
I have been in discussions with people. and when they arn't winning with 'logic' they say, "well you are racist"! WTF?
or call me "whiteboy" or whatever...
and typically we are talking about the bill or rights or constitution.
Fine, then I am racist... *rolls eyes*
This whole 'black panther' nonsense that we see on the news is nothing more then a false flag to upset people and cause division between us... just like the 'race card' just like the NAACP and the tea party.
Don't let them do it.. don't see the differences, but the similarities between people and you will be much better off..
DONT BUY Their bullshit!
 

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the 'Tea Party' Is NOT racist at all.
This is classic Divide can conquer.
Whenever anyone has a good idea, or is gaining momentum The power that be, play the 'race card' EVERY time. I am not a member of the 'Tea party' but you have to look past the whole left right paradigm on this one.
It is total bullshit.
I have been in discussions with people. and when they arn't winning with 'logic' they say, "well you are racist"! WTF?
or call me "whiteboy" or whatever...
and typically we are talking about the bill or rights or constitution.
Fine, then I am racist... *rolls eyes*
This whole 'black panther' nonsense that we see on the news is nothing more then a false flag to upset people and cause division between us... just like the 'race card' just like the NAACP and the tea party.
Don't let them do it.. don't see the differences, but the similarities between people and you will be much better off..
DONT BUY Their bullshit!

If the only thing you can provide is a bunch of rhetorical tripe, then please move it to another thread. It has already been proven with various photos and comments collected over the last year and a half that several messages generating out of the Tea Party are racial in nature. Deny this, and you deny reality. End of story.

If the "Tea Party" isn't racist, then tell the racist people who follow them to shut up.
 

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If the only thing you can provide is a bunch of rhetorical tripe, then please move it to another thread. It has already been proven with various photos and comments collected over the last year and a half that several messages generating out of the Tea Party are racial in nature. Deny this, and you deny reality. End of story.

If the "Tea Party" isn't racist, then tell the racist people who follow them to shut up.



You can't condemn a whole group of people just because some may be 'racist'
.... I am sure there are racist in the republican party, the democrat party, and the teaparty.
But At the core beliefs of the movement, I am sure there are no signs that say "no blacks allowed"...
So... what say you?
 

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If the only thing you can provide is a bunch of rhetorical tripe, then please move it to another thread. It has already been proven with various photos and comments collected over the last year and a half that several messages generating out of the Tea Party are racial in nature. Deny this, and you deny reality. End of story.

If the "Tea Party" isn't racist, then tell the racist people who follow them to shut up.


If I don't see things your way, it doesn't mean that you are the beacon of reality and what is going on in the world.
Get over yourself.
 

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If I don't see things your way, it doesn't mean that you are the beacon of reality and what is going on in the world.

If you don't see things in a way most people can see them, then you're intentionally laying a blind eye to the obvious. That's your choice. But don't come on my thread and spew this bullshit about a political sect that doesn't have a message that is racist in nature, ESPECIALLY when a lot of the rhetoric targets the very race I happen to be. And trust me... I'm not the only one saying this.

Get over yourself.

Get a clue first, then we can talk. :rolleyes:
 

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If you don't see things in a way most people can see them, then you're intentionally laying a blind eye to the obvious. That's your choice. But don't come on my thread and spew this bullshit about a political sect that doesn't have a message that is racist in nature, ESPECIALLY when a lot of the rhetoric targets the very race I happen to be. And trust me... I'm not the only one saying this.



Get a clue first, then we can talk. :rolleyes:



Funny, how you are damning a group that's only interest is restoring our country back to a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. And restoring the rights of everyone.
OF COURSE THE MSM is going to damn them! They are anti big government.
anti patriot act. Show me how they are racist.
I am waiting.
 

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If black Americans are suffering due to our current economic woes, Obama’s own policies are hardly helping them. The NAACP can’t bitch about “the Man” anymore because the Man is Obama. And so instead it turns its racially monolithic vituperation on the Tea Party, which has never been in power, and has had no impact on the economic condition of black Americans—except to advocate policies (smaller government, lower taxes, radically reduced deficits, etc.) that would likely improve the standard of living of all Americans (blacks included). In fact, the Tea Party is a greater friend of black Americans, one might say, than the administration, and is much more representative of America than the NAACP. (There are many more black members of the Tea Party—however you define that movement—than there are, by definition, non-black members of the NAACP.)
 

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Due to the obvious inflammatory nature of that "other thread" regarding the NAACP and its recent comments against the Tea Party, I decided to create a separate thread in an attempt to spark a REAL conversation and without the usual flame bait.

This very topic was discussed on MSNBC this evening by Professor Melissa Harris-Lacewell, a well known Associate Professor of Politics and African American Studies at Princeton University. She brings a very interesting perspective on the subject matter, explaining how a lot of the problems surrounding the debate could be fueled by a real lack of information regarding what it is to be a racist or to recognize statements that are racial in nature. Here's the interview from Keith Olbermann - NAACP calls out Tea Party for its

Thoughts?

Yeah...the only ones fueling racism IS the NAACP. Hell, they have the term 'colored people' in their name. How offensive is that?

This is just another desperate attempt from the White House, the government controlled media to try and derail the inevitable...the right making huge advances this fall.

And where was the NAACP when bill Clinton said something to the effect of, "...and just a few years ago, he'd be getting us coffee", speaking of Obama?

I will say this. I can easily align myself with the tea party movement (lower taxes, LESS spending, smaller government)...so, I am a tea party member. I am not a racist...hell I mistakenly VOTED for Obama. But it was his reckless spending, his 'far too expensive' position on so-called GREEN technologies that won't do a thing but waste money, his senseless lawsuit against Arizona for enforcing a law that he refuses to, the overreaching and unconstitutional health car disaster, Pelosi, etc.

Plus all of the corruption and radicals he surrounds himself with...and thankfully, the majority of people want his democratic lawmakers booted this November.

They say you can never waste a vote...but I sure did.
 

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Funny, how you are damning a group that's only interest is restoring our country back to a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. And restoring the rights of everyone.

Here's where your logic falters.
Ideologically, you want to believe that the original Constitution was created with everyone's best interest in mind. Equality for all. However, the original Constitution as written by the Founding Fathers before any amendments did not include the rights for any minority or women. Back in 1787, they had NO conceptual reason to believe that a woman would be able to vote, never mind a black man being anything more than a slave. If you imply otherwise, then explain why it took our nation a Civil War, a President to free the slaves as well as century long crusade of Civil Rights Acts to make it anywhere close to reality? Explain this using any kind of reasonable logic and then perhaps you may have an argument. Can you?

The smartest thing our Founding Fathers ever did was provide provisions to allow the Constitution to be amended. That allows us to make changes, when necessary, to reflect a progressively moving country with evolving societal standards. Politically speaking, these gripes about people wanting to "return to the way we used to do it" are either vacuous statements of rhetoric that intentionally lay a blind eye as to how messed up the old days were just for the sake of holding onto an equally vapid ideology, or are the deliberate, atrocious wishes of bigoted people who really DO know all of the discriminative doctrine that impeded millions of people in our nation and simply don't care. Take your pick. Either way, you still don't look good.


OF COURSE THE MSM is going to damn them! They are anti big government. anti patriot act. Show me how they are racist.
I am waiting.

I already listed plenty of links previously in this thread. You can start there.
Beyond that, I can't force a donkey to drink even if I bring a bucket of water to it. More and more, the statements made by Melissa Harris-Lacewell are proven accurate. So I thank you for strengthening my original argument. Anything else you'd like to "contribute"?

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Yeah...the only ones fueling racism IS the NAACP. Hell, they have the term 'colored people' in their name. How offensive is that?

Would you have been happier if in 1909, back when black people were called a lot worse things than colored, if they would have labeled themselves NAAFN instead? The National Association for the Advancement of F____________ N___________?

Fill in the blanks, I'm sure you can. :rolleyes:
 
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Would you have been happier if in 1909, back when black people were called a lot worse things than colored, if they would have labeled themselves NAAFN instead? The National Association for the Advancement of F____________ N___________?

Fill in the blanks, I'm sure you can. :rolleyes:

Right...that makes sense. Tell me, if I think the term 'colored people' is offensive, what would lead you to believe that F___ N___ would be ok with me?
 

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The Constitution IMO needs quite a few more amendments-- ERA first and foremost-- before we are anywhere on a humanitarian standard equal to other civilized nations, not fewer, as Tea Party advocates.

Sho94, dream on. I am a member of AARP and they helpfully explained the new health care system to us. Go to their website and educate yourself; it's still not as good as Canada but it's something at least. The changes for us silver generation types are largely for the better.
 

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From what I've read of the NAACP resolution and their accompanying statements, they aren't saying that the Tea Party or the movement known as such is racist. They are saying that there are racist elements within the party, elements that its other members clearly have been too tolerant of which gives the appearance of an endorsement of those extremist point of views. The NAACP is calling on the Tea Party movement to disavow and disassociate itself with extremists within their ranks, which in fact, is advice that they'd do well to heed if they want to achieve a higher status of legitimacy within the minds of the average voter.

Of course, it goes without saying that there are extremists in any party left or right...people whose actions are motivated by hate, fear, and mistrust. We should all seek to disassociate ourselves from the extremists within our own ranks because such thought (as the spokesperson implied) can only lead to counterproductive (if not outright destructive) consequences.
 

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Right...that makes sense. Tell me, if I think the term 'colored people' is offensive, what would lead you to believe that F___ N___ would be ok with me?

Apparently, the sarcasm in my last statement didn't register. :rolleyes:
You suggested that the NAACP was "fueling racism" and also suggested that their name was offensive. A name that was created in 1909 during a time where calling black people "colored" was the norm. Where these days, the term "colored people" means more than black. It's always been an organization that has openly served all minorities and there's nothing wrong or offensive about that.

Also, who at the White House prompted people at the NAACP to address the Tea Party? Nobody. Alas, you seem to believe that Obama has a black phone that goes directly to them and tells them exactly what to say. And let's be honest... if it took four times the amount of people in Congress to protect the rights and wishes you hold dear, you'd welcome it with open arms so spare the whole "smaller government" BS. It's more blind rhetoric that has no footing, but sounds really pretty to the sheep... just like "lower taxes".
 
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