One thing I am learning from these threads is that there are very few places in this generation where men, and boys, can go naked together and not feel self-conscious or embarrassed. A few generations ago, it was considered normal and natural for men and boys to be naked in locker rooms, swimming pools, (including skinny-dippin' at farm ponds), even while just relaxing at home or while camping. This was, in my opinion, a very good thing, for boys were able to see the cocks of older men and see how they would probably develop. And where there were naked fathers and sons together, it was a part of the bonding process which is so necessary for father/son relationships. But that has disappeared, for the most part. Even in such places as the YMCAs there are usually two locker rooms, one for males over eighteen, and another for younger guys, who can still be accompanied by an older male, like a father or guardian. The reasons given are that most men don't like for younger guys to "look at them". But this avoids the main issue, and that is that young guys NEED to look at older men when they are naked. Our society is preventing them from benefiting from this time-honored practice. Another down-side of the situation which exists in the dual locker-room situation is that older men are free to go in where the younger guys will be naked. The big problem with this is that any older males who might be predators are in a setting where there are very few older males around to keep them under control. The situation should be reversed. Such facilities should have two locker rooms, but the primary one should be for all males, of all ages. And the second one should be for those men who truly do not want to be seen naked by younger guys. All the real amenities, like saunas and whirpools, should be in the first locker-room. The second should be only a bare-bones changing room. I truly believe it is a necessary part of a boy's growing-up and becoming an adult male to be in settings where males of all ages are naked together and are not self-conscious about who might see them naked. Does anyone agree?