Nancy Lies Again

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    Looks like good OLD Nancy Pelosi has done it again, trying to hide the contents of the Health Care Bill.

    Today she stated the bill will not be posted online 72 hours before a vote, as she said she would.

    So again, why did she lie? What is she hiding?

    The Weekly Standard
     
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    There are always changes before a vote. Watch C-Span sometime and you'll see changes proposed right on the floor complete with votes on those amendments right before the bill itself is voted on. That's the only way to catch last-minute changes to bills.
     
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    Yes - the manager's amendments - which are being posted - as stated in your link. I'm not seeing the issue here...
     
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    That was not your point.
    You were insinuating that the text of the bill was unavailable, period. Likely there will be changes to the final bill before the vote, and, almost assuredly, further legislative tweaks thereafter. These activities are well established in the historical legislative record and are not usually indicative of deception.

    Returning to your OP -
    You are not what one would regard as a natural polemicist, to say the least.
    Please step your game up. :smile:
     
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    Once again, Skippy: Forum Fail.

    You quote so much from the Drudge Report when so much of it is factually incorrect: remember this?

    LadyShady: now watch how quickly he'll step back from the OP by saying that he's merely linking a story of "interest".
     
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    Found a great article skewering The Weekly Standard, comparing it to Pravda.

    It's worth the quick link-click.
     
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    One wonders. Particularly when the shame of being your birth mother ought to be enough.
     
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    she's a worthless P.O.S.
     
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    Probably trying to hide that this is a terrible bill with no real reform in it.


    Wake me up when they put Kucinich or Weiner's amendments back in.
     
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    As I run around this board, your hits just keep on comin'. :rolleyes:
     
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    Ericsson1228d, let's face it. Pelosi is behaving the way she is just to piss you, specifically, off. She's got your numbers: phone, social security, and IQ.

    And she knows where all your "git your panties in a bunch" spots are. I'm telling ya, kid. I'd be worried if I were you. It's obviously a sinister plot against you and only you.

    Keep your doors locked and your windows closed (as if that'll make a difference).


    Oh, and good luck with that.
     
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    Nice link!

    "It's unclear to me why the subscribers of that magazine pay money to be the subjects of a disinformation campaign."

    The answer is, the readership needs their intolerant, jingoist, self-aggrandizing fix. The Weekly Standard offers no opposing or truly contemplative viewpoint, so they are free to continue their delusions, not only without challenge, but with zealous support.

    There exists an element of discipleship surrounding these publications that I find extremely troubling.
     
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    OK, why? Explain your position and give us examples of what she has done to make you consider her so.

    That may well be the case. I'd love to see both amendments back in but there needs to be a first step and this step, for all its imperfections, will lead to better reforms down the road. I would love for them to just model the system on one of the better ones or create a synthesis of all the best models out there and just plop it down on the group in one fell swoop but, sadly, democratic government works this way. Americans are a cautious and naturally conservative people without any sort of tribal cohesion. As Churchill said, "Democracy is the worst form of government.... except for all the others."

    These are fashionable among a certain set.
     
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    The WS is a neocon rag. I honestly think that its subscribers just leave it around as a kind of talisman, a symbol of purpose and belief. I doubt many actually read it.
     
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    People will pay money to hear or read what it is they want to hear or read. It doesn't matter if it's unbiased or not, what matters is that the process of hearing one's one POV from someone else is self-validating. That's true for everyone however some people are better at realizing this than others. Usually people who do not know why they believe what they do but are "damned certain it's right!" are the ones most easily swayed by this type of self-reflective propaganda. Those who are more independent minded and based their opinions upon various sources are generally more willing to hear and accept opposing views if those views are presented persuasively with supporting evidence. These people generally do not have their self-esteem so tightly mated with their public opinions and do not base their self-esteem upon whether they are right or wrong but whether they are truthful or false.

    This is basic Communications theory and any journalist or PR or advertising exec is well aware of them. It's this method which Murdoch and various other opinion leaders use, and exploit, to gain wealth and power. They capitalize this particular market of know-nothings-who-know-everything and pander to it for financial and political gain. The KNWKEs may not be well-educated but they do have strong feelings of what is right and wrong, are usually religious, politically conservative, rural to ex- and suburban, older, and have strong feelings about the value of manual work and self-reliance. This demographic has been studied to death because selling them new products and services is rather difficult. They were raised on certain products and services and won't switch no matter what. "My daddy always said Chevys were the best so we're a Chevy family," or, "My mom always swore by Tide so I use it too." A co-opting issue is product availability in rural and less populated areas of the United States. Getting someone to buy Husqvarna when there's only a Deere dealer within 20 miles is a practical issue that little to no marketing is going to solve. There is also the issue of rural interdependence. Sally buys insurance from June because June patronizes Sally's lunch counter. June buys gas at Mobil because they buy insurance from her. Bob at the Mobil station buys insurance from June and eats at Sally's too. Rural populations tend to support each other in ways that only local businesses, whether through explicit economic relationships, familial relationships, or social relationships (Rotary, Kiwanis, Elks, etc.), can. And they will do this whether it's to their best economic benefit or not. It's a difficult market to crack but one with great pay-offs because these people tend not to want to change their consumer habits whether as small business owners, consumers, or independent contractors (as most rural people tend to be). If you can get them to switch, you've made a customer for life in some circumstances. Another benefit is that given the strong social ties, if you can get one of these people to purchase your product, they will likely tell their friends and one person can influence an entire micromarket.

    The reason this market is so important is one of simple demographics. Oldsters and Baby Boomers are the wealthiest generations in America. They are also the largest single demographic. Getting their business isn't nearly as easy as it is to get the business of younger consumers who are easy to influence and more ready to experiment with unknown products and services. Americans frequently think that nobody markets anything to the 55+ demographic but they couldn't be more wrong. What we see in our popular TV media is generally targeted toward younger audiences but other media, like radio, print, and some new media and some particular TV (think FOX) more readily target the 55+ demographic because it is lucrative to do so. If they get a younger crowd, great. If they don't, then that's OK. FOX and conservative media fulfill a specific marketing niche which provides advertisers with rich rewards if they can persuade people to purchase their goods and services.

    Psychologists have known for quite some time that people who are in a state of anger and pressure are more susceptible to marketing persuasion. The longer someone is kept in a state of antagonism, the more susceptible they become. When you couple this with friendly advertising the promises satisfaction and peace-of-mind when buying a certain product or service, that suggestion alone can be enough to persuade the stressed person to buy. Advertisers rely on this dynamic between themselves and media outlets to make people more suggestible. This synergy is not isolated to conservative media though they do use this tactic more because their demographic is so naturally adverse to switching products and services or trying new ones.

    There are plenty of other markets with other needs, wants, and desires and each one needs advertising, PR, and marketing directed toward them in a specific manner.

    We are all, occasionally, useful tools of media. But some of us are so more often than others. Knowing and recognizing when you're being manipulated to do something for a specific reason regardless of whether it's good for you or not, is important in the world psychology-focused media working in coordination with psychology-focused advertisers.
     
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    I can see the bumper sticker now:

    "Nancy Lied--People Got Health Care.
    Bush Lied--People Died."

    Good luck with that crusade against health care, mate.
     
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