Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House

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  1. madame_zora

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    So, today Nancy Pelosi was sworn in as Speaker of the House. I watched it on tv, and I must say I am cautiously optimistic. She spoke of the usual crap about bipartisanship, but the most impressive thing I heard was that within the next 100 hours, they are planning to enact a new set of rules for lobbying that will dramatically restrict gifts, trips, cash donations and all manner of bribes. They are also planning to enforce a longer work week, since they rarely put in 40 hours. She has been quoted saying she wanted to eliminate the "culture of corruption", and I know there are a few good people in Washington left who feel just as sullied by the current set of criminals we've been forced to tolerate.

    Thoughts/opinions?

    Democrats take control of Congress - Yahoo! News


    *oops, sorry, but I can't edit the title.
     
  2. Lex

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    Historic event. I hope she is able to leverage some good (for the most people) out of all of it.
     
  3. D_Sheffield Thongbynder

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    My optimism is guarded.
     
  4. Mr. Snakey

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    I think we should give her a chance. Lets see what happens.:smile:
     
  5. carlton10

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    Well good luck to her in wielding in her own party-this "culture of corruption" has manipulated and greased the hands of many Democrats -past, present, and future. Just the case of "same church,different pew" now
     
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    The notorious party machines in America are all geared up to deliver Democrat votes. The Daley machine in Chicago is only the most notorious. St. Louis, New Orleans, Honolulu ... Bet she'll still be happy to take votes from those for the good old Party. That's corruption. Not quite the same as Harry Reid-type corruption, but corruption nonetheless. She has no plans to touch any of the big crimes, or if she does she's keeping them secret.

    The fantasy that a little window dressing will make a difference is bizarre. It's like hiding the cookie jar in case burglars try to steal your cookies, but leaving the jewelry out on the table. William Jefferson's freezer-full of cash wasn't money he'd saved by accepting free travel from lobbyists. Pelosi's all talk and no real action, and always has been. I expect no change in that. The first "100 days" will be nothing constructive. She'll waste it on furious backpedalling from her previous silly promises. Like that impeachment she's been promising us for years.
     
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    Well, I'm optmist. Hopefully she will be a great housecleaner and housekeeper. And they trully focus they are serving a coutry not parties or self interest and etc.

    I felt like smilling as she was holding that baby...:tongue: yeh, call me silly but I love the young kids all over the place being part of all of that. Very cozy family feelings.

    :fingersx:
     
  8. DC_DEEP

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    Oh, shit, call Guinness! Big Dirigible and I just had our very first complete, unqualified agreement! I guess I will be the odd man out this time, and instead of being cautiously optimistic, I will be cautiously pessimistic.

    Pelosi is talking a decent (not good, but decent) talk. I seriously doubt she will walk a passable walk, though. It's funny, as the republicans made their ascent into power in the executive, house, and senate, they were mouthing the same words about cleaning up democratic corruption, and look where that got us.

    Breast-beating and foot-stomping aside, "bipartisanship" or no, keeping our government in the stranglehold of two-party politics (or partisan politics of any form) will forever PREVENT any type of true reform.

    I loved the article in the Washington Post yesterday, describing how the repugs are now DEMANDING that the democraps honor Pelosi's 2004 proposed "minority bill of rights", giving certain protections to the minority party in the House. Funny thing, though, when Pelosi proposed those rules, the repugs steadfastly REFUSED them. Now that they are no longer in majority, they DEMAND them?
     
  9. Pecker

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    I know Congress is full of bipartisans. God made me a heteropartisan, though.
     
  10. DC_DEEP

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    Here is the text of the OpEd article I mentioned in post#8; it was in The Washington Post yesterday. I will post it in two sections and avoid the frustration of the posting length restrictions:

    In the House, Suddenly Righteous Republicans
    By Dana Milbank
    Thursday, January 4, 2007; Page A02


    Thirty-one-year-old Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-N.C.) is not a large man, standing perhaps 5 feet 3 inches tall in thick soles. But he packed a whole lot of chutzpah when he walked into the House TV gallery yesterday to demand that the new Democratic majority give the new Republican minority all the rights that Republicans had denied Democrats for years.

    "The bill we offer today, the minority bill of rights, is crafted based on the exact text that then-Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi submitted in 2004 to then-Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert," declared McHenry, with 10 Republican colleagues arrayed around him. "We're submitting this minority bill of rights, which will ensure that all sides are protected, that fairness and openness is in fact granted by the new majority."

    Omitted from McHenry's plea for fairness was the fact that the GOP had ignored Pelosi's 2004 request -- while routinely engaging in the procedural maneuvers that her plan would have corrected. Was the gentleman from North Carolina asking Democrats to do as he says, not as he did?
    "Look, I'm a junior member," young McHenry protested. "I'm not beholden to what former congresses did."

    Anne Kornblut of the New York Times asked McHenry if his complaint might come across as whining.

    "I'm not whining," he whined.

    Even before officially relinquishing majority status today when the 110th Congress convenes, Republicans were protesting the Democrats' heavy-handed leadership. But Republicans expecting Democrats to rule the House with an iron fist are likely to be pleasantly surprised: The incoming majority was having enough trouble keeping its own supporters in line.
    House Democratic leaders were giving their first news conference of the year when the session in the Cannon building was hijacked by Cindy Sheehan and other antiwar demonstrators, some wearing tie-dyed apparel and pins comparing President Bush to Adolf Hitler. Just after Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.) vowed, "We're gonna cut the interest rate in half for student loans," hecklers began to chant "De-escalate! Investigate! Troops home now!"

    "That is exactly what we're talking about," Emanuel said, trying to appease the protesters. But the hecklers kept chanting, and he fled.
    The Democratic leaders in retreat, Sheehan seized the microphone. "We put them back in power," she said of the Democrats. Passing out fliers calling for defunding the Iraq war, Sheehan shouted: "These are our demands. And they're not requests -- they're demands."
    If yesterday was any indication, the 110th Congress will be highly entertaining, if not terribly productive. So far, it's hard to tell which will be a larger impediment to Democratic leaders: the McHenrys or the Sheehans.

    The day began when House Republican Conference Chairman Adam Putnam (Fla.) led fellow House GOP leaders to a news conference in a Capitol basement hall. At 32, he is a year older than McHenry, and several inches taller, but no less outraged by Democrats' refusal to bestow on Republicans the rights that Republicans refused to bestow on Democrats.

    "We are disappointed," protested Putnam, whose fair skin was covered with a layer of makeup.

    "We're clearly disappointed," seconded Roy Blunt (Mo.).

    (cont.)
     
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    (continued from previous post)

    "I'm disappointed, as are some others," added Kay Granger (Tex.).

    "I am very disappointed," concurred David Dreier (Calif.).

    It fell to CNN's Dana Bash to point out the awkward truth. "You can play back, almost verbatim, Democrats . . . saying almost exactly what you all just said," she said. "So is there a little bit of hypocrisy in you saying that you want minority rights?"

    "This is a missed opportunity to really change the way that the House does business," Putnam offered, citing Democrats' campaign promises for "a new way of doing business."

    "What stopped you from taking that opportunity when you were still in the majority?" inquired Rick Klein of the Boston Globe.

    "Well, I'll let Chairman Dreier speak to that," Putnam ventured.

    Republicans must have known they'd have some explaining to do, because they scheduled back-to-back news conferences on their minority rights. As soon as Putnam's session ended, Granger took the elevator up three flights and joined McHenry and his cohort in the TV gallery.

    Granger had not updated her talking points. "It's very disappointing," she said.

    Further disappointment came when the first questioner elicited the confession that none of the lawmakers had previously sympathized with Pelosi's plea for minority rights. McHenry unfurled excuses: "We were not in Congress. . . . I didn't have the opportunity. . . . She did not put it in legislative form."

    It had all the makings of a PR debacle. Fortunately for McHenry, the Democrats were otherwise engaged. An hour after fleeing the microphone because of Sheehan's heckling, Emanuel and other Democratic leaders returned for another attempt to talk about ethics and the minimum wage.

    "Rahm, would you answer Cindy Sheehan, though?"

    "An hour or so ago you had to stop your remarks because [of] Cindy Sheehan."

    "What are Democrats going to do about the war in Iraq?"

    For the new majority, it must have been, well, disappointing.





    Indeed. Now, someone remind me, are the Republicrats or the Democans in power?
     
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    Speaker Pelosi!

    I was actually hoping that the democrats would not actually go through with this. Nothing against women holding top positions, but Nancy Frigging Pelosi has always rubbed me the wrong way.
     
  13. DC_DEEP

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    You mean side-to-side instead of balls-to-tip? Just kidding.

    I will maintain my skepticism, and say "Nancy, I'll believe it when I see it." Again, both parties, in the last 12 years, have boasted that they will "clean up the oppositions' culture of corruption", but no mop or dustrag in sight.

    Maybe we need Zora as Senate Majority Leader, and me as House Majority Leader.

    Oh, by the way, Zora, I read that more dirt and corruption continues to be uncovered in Ney's investigation...
     
  14. madame_zora

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    Sadly, that isn't "news" here, but I am glad it's finally coming out. We've been dealing with that fuckwit for too long.

    I'm too crass to be a good leader, in a position where diplomacy is called for. I'd support you to the ends of the Earth, though.

    Oh, I'm definitely in the "wait and see" club myself, I'm just letting in a little ray of optimism though, and it feels good. These last two years have been pretty fucking miserable.
     
  15. 7's Enough

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    My hopeful Homo point of view: this can only be better!
    My quiet cynical opinion: isn't the GOP tired of bearing the responsibility for screwing things up?--let the Democrats shoulder it for a while!
     
  16. DC_DEEP

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    I just wish that more people had a longer attention span and memory.
     
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    I think that Pelosi's plans in general are a good thing. However, I believe that this congressional session will be characterized by gridlock due to the fact that there is only a tiny majority for the Dem. and the president is a Rep. It'll be interesting to see the new strategy that Bush will reveal sooon.
     
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    I'm just happy to see a change happening. I hope she will be a good leader and get some work done.
     
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    It's an important milestone that this glass ceiling has been broken. Women also deserve the opportunity to disappoint us with poor leadership.
     
  20. madame_zora

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    Haha, this is absolutely true! Still, representation is important and I'll be interested to see what she does with her opportunity.
     
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