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I refuse to indict MYSELF by agreeing to your either/or set of choices.
I am certain that if our Government and Military had not mishandled the prison camps and captors so awfully.....that photographs of smiling American soldiers would not even exist as they put there lost humanity on display for the world to see. The digital camera era and kids raised on gun fight video games......thrust into captors/gaurds/and torturers roles. Where was the oversite there? Isn't that the "LORD of the FLIES"?
Waterboarding was clearly the least of the crimes against humanity employed at the prison camps. Pelosi had NOTHING to do with that.
I can offer nothing more on this subject.......you want Nancy Pelosi to be "completely Complicit" in this horror show......and i can not see how that can be remotely possible. Sorry Bud.

that's your choice pymster...but the law does not agree with you on that.

and it is not my set of laws...they are the same laws that we are all subject to.

It does not excuse Pelosi anymore than Cheney.

If Pelosi had nothing to do with it, then neither did Cheney et. al


You talked about sitting in on business meetings during your lifetime in the private sector.

Let us examine that.

If the Chairman, the CEO, the President and several members of the board, authorize a plan that they claim is "legal" to siphon off money from the employee pension funds for their own personal use and plan to put that into effect very soon...

You (as a senior Vice President) are informed about it, by a member of the board...with you is another member (another senior vice president)

they either:

a. told you that this plan has already occurred
b. told you that they expect to put their plan into effect in two weeks
c. told you they plan to leave it open-ended for enactment at the opportune time


the plan eventually banrupts the entire company, the employees lose their jobs and their pensions, the company folds.


you knew about

a, b, and c

and you did absolutely nothing...you carried on, tacitly approving of it.

you are complicit...no two ways about it.

you knew of a crime, and let it happen or if it had already happened, you did nothing to report it or prevent from happening if you knew it was going to happen in the future.

are you as guilty as those who planned it? No.

But you are still guilty.

no two ways about it.

the law is the law.
 

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Pelosi has just released a statement backtracking on saying that the CIA "always lies" to congress:

(Of course she did not actually *APOLOGIZE* or retract the lie)

the vultures are circling


her statement

"We all share great respect for the dedicated men and women of the intelligence community who are deeply committed to the safety and security of the American people. My criticism of the manner in which the Bush Administration did not appropriately inform Congress is separate from my respect for those in the intelligence community who work to keep our country safe. What is important now is to be united in our commitment to ensuring the security of our country; that, and how Congress exercises its oversight responsibilities, will continue to be my focus as we move forward."


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nice...really nice. Accuse them all of lying...then don't even apologize.
 

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Let her live with the Taliban or AlQueda -dress her up in a burqha - Stone her because she has an education, behead her family members as they are infidels, strap bombs to her appeasnick cronies and force them to be suicide bombers and then see if waterboarding is still an issue with her.


good suggestion for the entire Left Coast
 

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What Graham and Rockefeller state does not back up Pelosi's statements. Issues with dates on briefings is not equivolent to "We were never briefed" and the other incarnations of her story. :wink:


When they say they briefed former Senator Graham but didn't that's lying! Good try jackass.
 

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so i guess you just missed President Obama's CIA chief, Leon Panetta, publicly stating that she was told the absolute truth?


Oops, no cigar moron. Here's what Panetta said today which amounts to a non-denial...

WASHINGTON — http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/15/cia-director-panetta-reco_n_204005.html#Leon Panetta says agency records show CIA officers briefed lawmakers truthfully in 2002 on methods of interrogating terrorism suspects, but it is up to Congress to reach its own conclusions about what happened.




besides, to paraphrase Kit Bond, Vice Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee today on MSNBC...why would CIA hold a briefing to brief Pelosi on methods they are not going to use?

They briefed her and others and suggested they might resort to "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" which were "deemed legal" by the
DOJ (read: lying pieces of shit Gonzalez and Yoo).

Try again stupid
 

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When they say they briefed former Senator Graham but didn't that's lying! Good try jackass.

A correction on dates or number of briefings is completely different from never briefing members of congress and not briefing on EIT's and waterboarding and the use of said interrogation methods (insert your little insult and use it for yourself).

Pelosi's latest statement again changes her story to:

The Bush Administration mislead her...not the CIA. Pelosi has lied and now dragged Graham and Rockefeller into a nasty battle with the CIA with her.
 

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Oops, no cigar moron. Here's what Panetta said today which amounts to a non-denial...

WASHINGTON — Leon Panetta says agency records show CIA officers briefed lawmakers truthfully in 2002 on methods of interrogating terrorism suspects, but it is up to Congress to reach its own conclusions about what happened.


They briefed her and others and suggested they might resort to "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" which were "deemed legal" by the
DOJ (read: lying pieces of shit Gonzalez and Yoo).

Try again stupid


funny...being called a moron and stupid by a person who believes Dick Cheney orchestrated 9/11

and neither of the things you have said have proven true.

1. Panetta did say it is up to congress to determine that...i.e. he is washing his hands of it. He is stating that everything he has seen, states that she was briefed.

so, the burden of proof is on Nancy based on her accusation.

2. There is no proof whatsoever that the second theme is the case: You have echoed her statement...that they "might" resort to those techniques.
That is the issue. She denies that they told her otherwise, that it had already been used. Either way, she is responsible for both outcomes

If that was the case, then she fundamentally knew that they were going to use those techniques at some point in the future. (read: those approved by those lying pieces of shit as you said)...since she knew those were illegal and constituted torture, under your and her definition, she specifically failed to report it. She knew that either

A. torture had been used, if she is lying about what they told her.

or

B. torture might/would be used in the future if the need arose.


either way, she had a responsibility as the ranking member, if she thought this constituted torture, to convene the house behind closed doors to immediately bring about oversight on the matter.

She did not.

She was either told that it occurred and is now lying, or knew, unequivocally, based on what you and she have said, that it might be used in the future, and she did nothing to stop it, or report it, thus, being complicit in the torture she allegedly disapproves of.

either way, she is complicit.

the only question now becomes, in addition to her proven complicity, by not reporting what she was proven to *UNDOUBTEDLY* know (that it might be used in the future) in September 2002, is that how much more did she know?

If they briefed her even further and notified her at the same September meeting, that the suspect Zubaydah, had been waterboarded, her goose is cooked.

Pelosi denied for about two years that she ever even had been informed of *ANY* waterboarding...lo and behold, she has admitted it recently.

Even John McCain, when he learned about the waterboarding, took decisive action to attempt to stop it...why didn't Pelosi EVER do that, when she clearly knew as of February 2003, and now, what could be as early as September 2002, if she proves to have been lying.


She was in the loop at the time, no matter what, and never spoke up.



try again, stupid.
 

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A short time line to put the briefing in its proper perspective:

7

Iraq Invasion Plan: Part 1

Early 2002
: President Bush decided to prepare to invade Iraq.

In making the case for the war the Bush administration raised the possibility that Saddam Hussein might team up with Al Qaeda, and that he could provide terrorists with formidable weapons. They spoke of the "gathering danger" posed by the Iraqi regime. Even Condoleezza Rice conjured up the image of a mushroom cloud, as a warning that failure to react would lead to nuclear annihilation.


Hill Top Secret Briefing on Waterboarding Sept. 2002 :

WASHINGTON — Leon Panetta says agency records show CIA officers briefed... <Pelosi> and <3> others and suggested they might resort to "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" which were "deemed legal" by the
DOJ (read: lying pieces of shit Gonzalez and Yoo).

Hill Briefed on Waterboarding in 2002 - washingtonpost.com
^^excerpts from link:


"In fairness, the environment was different then because we were closer to Sept. 11 and people were still in a panic," said one U.S. official present during the early briefings. "But there was no objecting, no hand-wringing. The attitude was, 'We don't care what you do to those guys as long as you get the information you need to protect the American people.' "

U.S. law requires the CIA to inform Congress of covert activities and allows the briefings to be limited in certain highly sensitive cases to a "Gang of Eight," including the four top congressional leaders of both parties as well as the four senior intelligence committee members. In this case, most briefings about detainee programs were limited to the "Gang of Four," the top Republican and Democrat on the two committees. A few staff members were permitted to attend some of the briefings.

That decision reflected the White House's decision that the "enhanced interrogation" program would be treated as one of the nation's top secrets for fear of warning al-Qaeda members about what they might expect, said U.S. officials familiar with the decision. Critics have since said the administration's motivation was at least partly to hide from view an embarrassing practice that the CIA considered vital but outsiders would almost certainly condemn as abhorrent.


Iraq Invasion Plan: Part 2

In Feb. 2003 Secretary Powell gave an impressive, dramatic show-and-tell presentation before the UN Security Council. With the director ot the CIA, George Tenet, at his side , Powell offered a litany of allegations , including the startling assertion that Iraq possessed a fleet of mobile biological weapons. It was powerful testimony but unbeknownst to Powell, the juicier tidbits-including the mobile labs- were lies.

It is clear in retrospect that the Iraqi regime posed no threat to the American people or their allies. There was no evidence of them being in league with Al Qaeda. There was no justification for the Bush Administration , which had won a diplomatic victory by pressing for the return of the UN weapons inspectors to Iraq, to undo that victory by forcing a premature end to those inspections. In the summer of 2002 Bush wanted to remove Saddam Hussein through military action justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and the facts were tailored to fit the policy.

Powell eventually learned a number of persons in the intelligence community knew at the time which sources were unreliable, but they didn't speak up. That devastated him.

USATODAY.com - Powell calls pre-Iraq U.N. speech a 'blot' on his record


April 2004, Abu Ghraib photos leaked showing U.S. soldiers humiliating and torturing detainees at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

Getting Away with Torture? | Human Rights Watch

Excerpts from: Getting Away With Torture: April 2005:

Shortly after the photos came out, President George W. Bush vowed that the "wrongdoers will be brought to justice."
...however, the only wrongdoers brought to justice are those at the bottom of the chain-of-command. The evidence demands more. Yet a wall of impunity surrounds the architects of the policies responsible for the larger pattern of abuses...

when a government as dominant and influential as the United States openly defies laws against torture, it virtually invites others to do the same. Washington's much-needed credibility as a proponent of human rights was damaged by the torture revelations and will be further damaged if torture continues to be followed by complete impunity for the policy-makers.

Torture, unfortunately, can occur anywhere. What matters, and what determines whether torture is a mere aberration or state policy, is how a government responds.Then-Secretary of State Colin Powell recognized this, too, when he told foreign leaders: "Watch America. Watch how we deal with this. Watch how America will do the right thing."[3]

Regrettably, however, the United States is not doing the right thing. Rather, it is doing what dictatorships do the world over when their abuses are discovered - loudly proclaiming its respect for human rights while covering up and shifting blame downwards to low-ranking officials and "rogue actors."
 

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Can someone let me know when we finish talking about Nancy Pelosi so we can get back to analyzing one of the key masterminds behind all of this? The person who had a hardon for Iraq going back before the Clinton campaign? A person that has been involved with this process till this very day?

I'll let you guess who that is...
 

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either way, she had a responsibility as the ranking member, if she thought this constituted torture, to convene the house behind closed doors to immediately bring about oversight on the matter.

This is real rich. Why are you ignoring the fact that she was sworn to SECRECY. She was not allowed to talk to ANYONE about what she saw... especially not her colleagues.

What you are suggesting is that Nancy Pelosi should have committed treason. Do you think that the Bush administration would have NOT brought her up on charges of conspiracy to commit treason if she did that?

Your whole argument hinges on some bullshit scenario that is just not possible or even plausible.

SHE WAS SWORN TO SECRECY.

Keep on defending Cheney and Co. by attempting to destroy Nancy Pelosi,...

It's nice to know that you are an apologist for torture.
 

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A short time line to put the briefing in its proper perspective:
Early 2002: President Bush decided to prepare to invade Iraq.

Sure, that part is right. The Bush Administration ratcheted up the danger of Saddam Hussein and made the connection that Saddam=Al Qaeda=9/11.

Hill Briefed on Waterboarding in 2002 - washingtonpost.com

"In fairness, the environment was different then because we were closer to Sept. 11 and people were still in a panic," said one U.S. official present during the early briefings. "But there was no objecting, no hand-wringing. The attitude was, 'We don't care what you do to those guys as long as you get the information you need to protect the American people.' "

U.S. law requires the CIA to inform Congress of covert activities and allows the briefings to be limited in certain highly sensitive cases to a "Gang of Eight," including the four top congressional leaders of both parties as well as the four senior intelligence committee members. In this case, most briefings about detainee programs were limited to the "Gang of Four," the top Republican and Democrat on the two committees. A few staff members were permitted to attend some of the briefings.

That decision reflected the White House's decision that the "enhanced interrogation" program would be treated as one of the nation's top secrets for fear of warning al-Qaeda members about what they might expect, said U.S. officials familiar with the decision. Critics have since said the administration's motivation was at least partly to hide from view an embarrassing practice that the CIA considered vital but outsiders would almost certainly condemn as abhorrent.

Apparently, the CIA did not brief enough members of Congress. There might be an issue there. An even larger issue is that this article clearly holds the members who were briefed accountable. The article clearly points out that they did not object (with the exception of Harmon.)

The Gang of Four did not raise the point and press the point of the need for a Gang of Eight. Who else would press that rule if not the congress members themselves who have the responsibility of oversight? The American people don't even know the law of congressional oversight.

Whether enhanced intelligence techniques were discussed or not, whether waterboarding was discussed or not the Gang of Four at least understood that the briefing was a limited briefing discussing covert activities. They should have demanded the Gang of Eight. Pelosi, Harman, Graham, Rockefeller, Goss, and Roberts failed to do that. Now all responsibility rests on them.

If the CIA failed to meet the letter of the law, those congress members failed to fulfill their duties of oversight as well.

But isn't the list of lawmakers who held oversight responsibility regarding Bush's detention and interrogation program interesting?

It seems clear when you read the article why Graham and Rockefeller are coming to Pelosi's defense. Crystal clear. Pelosi, Graham and Rockefeller:

Pelosi has changed her story but essentially she knew of EIT's and Waterboarding and did not object. Graham says he can't remember, can't recall or recollect ever being briefed on EIT's or waterboarding but he famously keeps a daily journal of his life. Republican Senator Shelby who was in the same briefing with Graham disputes Graham lack of recollection.
To Senator Shelby's recollection of the Senate briefing, waterboarding was one the EITs the CIA said it had used. As he also recalls, the CIA described the valuable intelligence it obtained using EITs, including waterboarding. [emphasis added]
The Hill’s Blog Briefing Room UPDATE: Shelby says he was told of waterboarding; Graham’s account differs
Rockefeller...this one is good
"Sen. Rockefeller was briefed but was not presented with the full picture, nor was he told critical information that would have cast significant doubt on the program's legality and effectiveness," said Jamie Smith, a Rockefeller spokeswoman. "With more information coming to light in 2004, Sen. Rockefeller became increasingly concerned about the program, and in early 2005 he launched a full-scale effort to investigate.-" Records suggest Pelosi, others were told of harsh interrogations - Los Angeles Times
Rockefeller was briefed. When the wind changed and information about the program began to get out, the Democratic Leadership wanted to hang Torture around the neck of the Bush Administration and deflect culpability from themselves for their support, inaction to object and ineptitude.

Pelosi, Graham, Rockefeller...they weren't duped, weren't lied to, weren't kept in the dark and they weren't told only some of the information.

Iraq Invasion Plan: Part 2

In Feb. 2003 Secretary Powell gave an impressive, dramatic show-and-tell presentation before the UN Security Council.

Powell eventually learned a number of persons in the intelligence community knew at the time which sources were unreliable, but they didn't speak up. That devastated him.

Powell is angry with himself because he gave that presentation when he should have never gone along with Bush in the first place. Bush and Powell misled the American people. Powell cannot now pretend he was duped, misled, lied to...yadda yadda, yadda.

The CIA provided the Bush Administration with intel that accurately depicted Saddam as a non threat. The Bush Administration Cherry Picked and requested intel to frame what they wanted to do. The CIA was even accused of trying to hamper the Bush Administrations policies.
Pillar wrote that the prewar intelligence asserted Hussein's "weapons capacities," but he said the "broad view" within the United States and overseas "was that Saddam was being kept 'in his box' " by U.N. sanctions, and that the best way to deal with him was through "an aggressive inspections program to supplement sanctions already in place."

"If the entire body of official intelligence analysis on Iraq had a policy implication," Pillar wrote, "it was to avoid war -- or, if war was going to be launched, to prepare for a messy aftermath."
Ex-CIA Official Faults Use of Data on Iraq - washingtonpost.com

Powell was a reluctant participant but he had a choice to make. He made the wrong one and is now trying to shift his share of the blame.

April 2004, Abu Ghraib photos leaked showing U.S. soldiers humiliating and torturing detainees at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

The soldiers who committed abuses against detainees in Abu Ghraib were not interrogators and they were not ordered to interrogate detainees.

This is real rich. Why are you ignoring the fact that she was sworn to SECRECY. She was not allowed to talk to ANYONE about what she saw... especially not her colleagues.

Pelosi didn't have to commit treason. She could have started with demanding a gang of eight for proper oversight if she thought it was torture.

How was Congress suddenly able to get leaks when ranking members of the intelligence committees couldn't get information in briefings? How were lawmakers eventually able to demand inquiries and investigations and get the entire House and Senate briefed without anyone convicted of treason?

If lawmakers can't take notes during these briefings why declassify classified memos? If we video recorded briefings we wouldn't have these problems but then classified national security information could wind up in the hands of and become known to our enemies. Oops! That already happened when Obama declassified the memos and started this debacle.
 

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Sure, that part is right. The Bush Administration ratcheted up the danger of Saddam Hussein and made the connection that Saddam=Al Qaeda=9/11.



Apparently, the CIA did not brief enough members of Congress. There might be an issue there. An even larger issue is that this article clearly holds the members who were briefed accountable. The article clearly points out that they did not object (with the exception of Harmon.)

The Gang of Four did not raise the point and press the point of the need for a Gang of Eight. Who else would press that rule if not the congress members themselves who have the responsibility of oversight? The American people don't even know the law of congressional oversight.

Whether enhanced intelligence techniques were discussed or not, whether waterboarding was discussed or not the Gang of Four at least understood that the briefing was a limited briefing discussing covert activities. They should have demanded the Gang of Eight. Pelosi, Harman, Graham, Rockefeller, Goss, and Roberts failed to do that. Now all responsibility rests on them.

If the CIA failed to meet the letter of the law, those congress members failed to fulfill their duties of oversight as well.

But isn't the list of lawmakers who held oversight responsibility regarding Bush's detention and interrogation program interesting?

It seems clear when you read the article why Graham and Rockefeller are coming to Pelosi's defense. Crystal clear. Pelosi, Graham and Rockefeller:

Pelosi has changed her story but essentially she knew of EIT's and Waterboarding and did not object. Graham says he can't remember, can't recall or recollect ever being briefed on EIT's or waterboarding but he famously keeps a daily journal of his life. Republican Senator Shelby who was in the same briefing with Graham disputes Graham lack of recollection.
To Senator Shelby's recollection of the Senate briefing, waterboarding was one the EITs the CIA said it had used. As he also recalls, the CIA described the valuable intelligence it obtained using EITs, including waterboarding. [emphasis added]
The Hill’s Blog Briefing Room UPDATE: Shelby says he was told of waterboarding; Graham’s account differs
Rockefeller...this one is good
"Sen. Rockefeller was briefed but was not presented with the full picture, nor was he told critical information that would have cast significant doubt on the program's legality and effectiveness," said Jamie Smith, a Rockefeller spokeswoman. "With more information coming to light in 2004, Sen. Rockefeller became increasingly concerned about the program, and in early 2005 he launched a full-scale effort to investigate.-" Records suggest Pelosi, others were told of harsh interrogations - Los Angeles Times
Rockefeller was briefed. When the wind changed and information about the program began to get out, the Democratic Leadership wanted to hang Torture around the neck of the Bush Administration and deflect culpability from themselves for their support, inaction to object and ineptitude.

Pelosi, Graham, Rockefeller...they weren't duped, weren't lied to, weren't kept in the dark and they weren't told only some of the information.



Powell is angry with himself because he gave that presentation when he should have never gone along with Bush in the first place. Bush and Powell misled the American people. Powell cannot now pretend he was duped, misled, lied to...yadda yadda, yadda.

The CIA provided the Bush Administration with intel that accurately depicted Saddam as a non threat. The Bush Administration Cherry Picked and requested intel to frame what they wanted to do. The CIA was even accused of trying to hamper the Bush Administrations policies.
Pillar wrote that the prewar intelligence asserted Hussein's "weapons capacities," but he said the "broad view" within the United States and overseas "was that Saddam was being kept 'in his box' " by U.N. sanctions, and that the best way to deal with him was through "an aggressive inspections program to supplement sanctions already in place."

"If the entire body of official intelligence analysis on Iraq had a policy implication," Pillar wrote, "it was to avoid war -- or, if war was going to be launched, to prepare for a messy aftermath."
Ex-CIA Official Faults Use of Data on Iraq - washingtonpost.com

Powell was a reluctant participant but he had a choice to make. He made the wrong one and is now trying to shift his share of the blame.



The soldiers who committed abuses against detainees in Abu Ghraib were not interrogators and they were not ordered to interrogate detainees.



Pelosi didn't have to commit treason. She could have started with demanding a gang of eight for proper oversight if she thought it was torture.

How was Congress suddenly able to get leaks when ranking members of the intelligence committees couldn't get information in briefings? How were lawmakers eventually able to demand inquiries and investigations and get the entire House and Senate briefed without anyone convicted of treason?

If lawmakers can't take notes during these briefings why declassify classified memos? If we video recorded briefings we wouldn't have these problems but then classified national security information could wind up in the hands of and become known to our enemies. Oops! That already happened when Obama declassified the memos and started this debacle.
I can't even be bothered to read this...............because if you truly believe"and made the connection that Saddam=Al Qaeda=9/11.".........there is NO HOPE for you.
 

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This is real rich. Why are you ignoring the fact that she was sworn to SECRECY. She was not allowed to talk to ANYONE about what she saw... especially not her colleagues.
you are a fool.

being *SWORN TO SECRECY* does *NOT* forbid a house chairman or ranking member of the intelligence committee, charged with *OVERSIGHT* of the CIA, from calling a closed door meeting,

She was in fact allowed to talk, to people who were cleared for such things.

She was perfectly within her rights to call for closed meetings, protected by the speech and debate clause...yet she did not do it.

*IN FACT*, she found out in her February 2003 (allegedly that is when she found out)secondhand, because she did not *GO* to her classified meeting, since she was "too busy" as minority leader, and sent her *AIDE* in her place, who later briefed her.




What you are suggesting is that Nancy Pelosi should have committed treason. Do you think that the Bush administration would have NOT brought her up on charges of conspiracy to commit treason if she did that?
it is not treason, you fool.

The house and senate have *OVERSIGHT* for a reason.

"conspiracy to commit treason"?

you are a complete idiot.

Pelosi was well within her rights as a representative to respond under a variety of ways.

was Rep. Jane Harman brought up on charges when she sent a letter to CIA outlining her protests after she was briefed at the 2003 meeting that Pelosi did not attend?

of course not.

do some reading

February 10, 2003 Mr. Scott Muller
General Counsel
Central Intelligence Agency
Washington, DC 20505

Dear Mr. Muller:
Last week&#8217;s briefing brought home to me the difficult challenges faced by the Central Intelligence Agency in the current threat environment. I realize we are at a time when the balance between security and liberty must be constantly evaluated and recalibrated in order to protect our nation and its people from catastrophic terrorist attack and I thus appreciate the obvious effort that you and your Office have made to address the tough questions. At the briefing you assured us that the [redacted] approved by the Attorney General have been subject to an extensive review by lawyers at the Central Intelligence Agency, the Department of Justice and the National Security Council and found to be within the law.
It is also the case, however, that what was described raises profound policy questions and I am concerned about whether these have been as rigorously examined as the legal questions. I would like to know what kind of policy review took place and what questions were examined. In particular, I would like to know whether the most senior levels of the White House have determined that these practices are consistent with the principles and policies of the United States. Have enhanced techniques been authorized and approved by the President?
You discussed the fact that there is videotape of Abu Zubaydah following his capture that will be destroyed after the Inspector General finishes his inquiry. I would urge the Agency to reconsider that plan. Even if the videotape does not constitute an official record that must be preserved under the law, the videotape would be the best proof that the written record is accurate, if such record is called into question in the future. The fact of destruction would reflect badly on the Agency.
I look forward to your response.

Sincerely,

JANE HARMAN



you have been hit in the head with one two many beer bottles.


Your whole argument hinges on some bullshit scenario that is just not possible or even plausible.

SHE WAS SWORN TO SECRECY.
your whole hysterical rant hinges on imaginary rules you have made up that do not exist.

any representative or senator charged with oversight can do a number of things behind closed doors, with other people cleared for similar security briefings.

Top aides hear it, the reps themselves and the senators themselves hear it at all briefings...if something is seriously wrong, congressional oversight *ALLOWS* for discussion and debate of such things.

stop being such an ignorant baby.



Keep on defending Cheney and Co. by attempting to destroy Nancy Pelosi,...

It's nice to know that you are an apologist for torture.
it is nice to know you are a total idiot.

The budgeting process for the intelligence community gives members of the oversight committees authority to withhold funding for activities without disclosing classified programs.

defending CHeney and Co has nothing to do with anything. Their behavior does not excuse hers.

keep trying to wrap bullshit into semi-intelligent, unfounded and inaccurate rants about "conspiracy to commit treason"

Responsibility for congressional oversight is vested in the House and Senate select committees on intelligence, which get daily classified reports from the intelligence agencies and annually review and approve the intelligence budget.


you are a fool.

again.