Wow, that will teach me to post in the michael moore fanclub.
Im not here to make enemies, which is clearly what I will do if I say what I really want to. Having said that, I feel some harsh words were spoken that were directly or indirectly aimed at me. But, I will play peacefull hippy and not retort.
As a side note, I was a memeber of the armed forces reserves and served two tours in Iraq, so Im not without experince myself. I realize this is the internet, and no one will believe me. Then again, some people believe all sorts of wild things without any real proof other than what someone said.
All sorts of wild things without any real proof other than what someone said? Like who said? You mean the president?
Simple fact of the matter is Saddam and Iraq had little if anything to do with international (or even local) terrorism. Our cause in the fight against terror has been weakened by going to Iraq, not strengthened. We've completely squandered the almost universal good will that we had from the rest of the world immediately following 9/11. We've gone and set up military bases on foreign soil, which was part of what Osama was mad at us for in the first place (our bases in Saudi Arabia), in the process killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people and creating MORE terrorists. All the while validating the anti-American rhetoric that is taught over there, making it near impossible for any more moderate or progressive thinking to emerge. Saying that we can fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here is so completely asinine, not to mention callous and the type of attitude that has made the world hate us. As if 100,000
innocent Iraqi dead is somehow less meaningful than a couple thousand Americans. In addition, there are MORE Americans dead now than there would have been if we had not invaded Iraq. Iraq posed ZERO threat to American lives. Now we've gone in and destabilized the region and sent in thousands of US servicemen do die there for no good reason. Those servicemen would be alive today if not for this stupid war, and there still would not have been any further terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. In fact, we may have even caught Bin Laden by now if we hadn't shifted our focus from Afghanistan to Iraq. Are you also saying that US servicemen's lives are somehow less valuable than US civilian lives because they signed a piece of paper? I don't think that's what you are saying because you said you served yourself but that's where your logic takes you if followed through to its ultimate conclusion. We can fight them over there (US servicemen in Iraq) so we don't have to fight them over here (US civilians dying in terrorist attack). Even if that statement wasn't complete and total bullshit for all the reasons outlined above, you could still make the arguement that you are placing disparate values on different types of lives. Yes, you could argue that the troops signed up to serve America in any way, but I don't think this is true. The National Guard is supposed to be protecting the country. Many of those who sign up expect to never see action (just ask the president). Sending them overseas to some bullshit war may in some way be serving the country, insofar as we are setting up permanent military bases or at least US-friendly government in Iraq so we have a tighter grip on the region that controls most of the world's oil, but it is definitely NOT defending the nation. Serving our interests? maybe. and that's a big maybe. Making us safer and/or defending the country? I would argue that they are actually doing the opposite. Not what they signed up for. Maybe that's more difficult to come to grips with for someone who has actually served, and I sympathize with you for that.
and Michael Moore is a boob, an ass, and a liar. In the same boat as Mark Levin or Sean Hannity. If you happen to agree with the latter it doesn't automatically follow that everyone who disagrees with you is beholden to the former.
