Nationalists call for ethnic purity at polish demonstration

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Okay and "non-white" immigrants don't work, or font integrate?

You have Ukrain immigrants, right, but they aren't Russians ;) You don't fear them.

Yes, exactly, generally non-whites do not work and do not integrate. Exceptions naturally exist.
Go to the western Europe and you will see. Check some statistics.

I don't fear Russians and do not know anyone who does. My country has very good relations with Russia.

As for the Poles i know plenty of them and none of them fears Russians. They do not like them, they have complexes because of them but fear is a completely different thing.

Poles do not like Ukrainians either BTW (because of history). Yet they do not mind them in Poland. Because Ukrainians work and integrate.
 

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Thuggery, hooliganism, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, skinheads, etc. have been active in Eastern Europe for ages. There's a long and deep history of anti-Semitism, racial bigotry, and anti-gay sentiment throughout E. Europe. It's nothing new. And many of them carry it to the U.S. when they immigrate.

I find it deeply shameful.

At the same time, Yad Vashem recognizes more Poles than any other nationality as Righteous Among the Gentiles.
 

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Not really, we haven't imported or let the non-whites in.
Therefore, we do not have the problems which countries of Western Europe have.
We want our countries to remain problem free and that's why non-whites are generally not allowed to enter.
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Well, this needs longer respond.

No, it is not a disgusting behaviour. It is safe for us. That's it. Too many people who visited western EU countries saw how it looks like over there.
I would like to know what places you mean...
Immigrants from non-white countries do not tend to integrate, increase crime rate, cause economic losses to the host nations and so on.

We are very happy to help other people - if they are white and have similar cultural background.
It's interesting that you combine similar culture with skin colour.
You live in the UK, but are from Eastern Europe, do I get that right?

I know at least one person on this forum who would disagree with you. Who wouldn't put your skin colour in relation to HIS British culture. He would argue, you are born and raised in a culture inferior to his. It might be possible that you as an individual are able to develop and learn how to live as a really cultivated person (British), but in general will the majority with your cultural background will fail.

The reason why Eastern Europe isn't as economically developed as the west is based in his failure in culture.

THAT'S the main reason why Brexit happened. They don't want YOU in Britain.


So sad...
Or maybe you are simply not white enough ;)
 

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/world/europe/poland-nationalist-march.html

I see Europe, has some of the same problems that America does

"Europeans for most of the last hundred years have dominated much of mankind through colonialism and neo-colonialism, seeing it as their manifest destiny to civilise the rest of mankind. In recent years, they have claimed to be the origin of civilisation, proclaimed themselves as the models of multiculturalism and democracy and abrogated the role of judge and jury of international human rights. They have abhorred tribal conflict in Africa as backward, conveniently forgetting their tribal wars known as World War I and II."

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/edit...lism_8074940?profile=&template=PrinterVersion
 
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Setting aside the MSM's coloring of the situation for a moment (this was a Polish independence day event, and most came out just to be express their patriotism; even in the "fascist" rally, the White identitarians were in the minority, some attendees were seen with anti-Nazi banners)...

It's not the same, actually.

I've said before that I do not support a White nationalist program for the USA, primarily because of how mixed we already are and therefore the great cost to human dignity it would involve. Also, American "Whiteness" is very abstract and, dare I say, contrived, so I don't find the idea terribly inspiring.

Poland (and much of Europe) is a totally different situation. Polish nationalism isn't some abstract racial ideology, but a nationalism based off of a concrete ethnic system. Polishness has many more properties to be rightly attributed to it than "Whiteness" does. And for that matter, the demographics are totally different. 98 out of 100 denizens of Poland are ethnic Poles. 1 of the 2 remaining is going to be a native European from a neighboring country. So ethnically distant individuals represent 1% of the population at the most. In the USA, returning to a predominant White population would have to involve ethnic cleaning. In the case of Poland it's effectively just maintenance of the current population through immigration control. And I have no quarrels with that.
 

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Haven't even bothered going through all of the posts on here but the ignorance is astounding.

The Polish people have a very long history of living under the rule of foreign powers. For decades they were split up and ruled under the reign of the German and Russian empires until WW1. After the treaty of Versailles they have a nation of their own for almost 20 years until both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union invade in 1939. The French and the British had sworn to protect Poland and intervene if necessary but did absolutely nothing. During the war Poland loses a substantial portion of their population during the Nazi occupation and virtually all of their Jewish population is exterminated. The Soviet Union pushes the Nazis back and at the end of the war the iron curtain comes to a reality and Poland is run as a communist puppet state of the U.S.S.R for almost another 50 years. For decades they existed under the yoke of the Soviet Union and are finally enjoying a couple decades of guaranteed independence and sovereignty as a people.

Now, knowing all of this it is more than understandable why they want to protect their nation and their culture. WTF is wrong with you people.
 
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"Today, when African refugees flee to Europe to seek asylum, they meet with hostility at European borders. But there was a time, such as before and during World War II, when European refugees flocked to Africa to seek sanctuary.... it was the Poles (and to a lesser extent, Ukrainians and Russians) who would seek refuge...The majority of the refugees originated from eastern Poland, on the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact line...The first group of an estimated 17,000-19,000 Polish refugees arrived in Africa around 1942. Their ships docked at Mombasa, the Kenyan port, and from there they scattered in various directions in East and Southern Africa – from the Equator to the Cape of Good Hope. These countries included: Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Zambia and Zimbabwe...In all, there were 22 different camps for displaced Polish persons."
http://newafricanmagazine.com/when-europeans-were-refugees-in-african/
 

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Yes, exactly, generally non-whites do not work and do not integrate. Exceptions naturally exist.
Go to the western Europe and you will see. Check some statistics.

I don't fear Russians and do not know anyone who does. My country has very good relations with Russia.

As for the Poles i know plenty of them and none of them fears Russians. They do not like them, they have complexes because of them but fear is a completely different thing.

Poles do not like Ukrainians either BTW (because of history). Yet they do not mind them in Poland. Because Ukrainians work and integrate.

"The very "assimilation" that formed the sum total of establishment advice to the black immigrant was being obstructed at every turn by colour prejudice and institutionalised racial oppression. Assimilation is not an option for the majority of the racially oppressed. Skin colour cannot be changed, and it remains key to racist discrimination."
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No one has given more to the West and gotten less in return than the Poles. This is not disputed.

It is for reasons like this that Poland, having suffered so much at the hands of villainous regimes, should be willing to help those in need. There is no place for violence.

And I do not object to a people wanting to maintain its identity. We in the US do it regularly on St Patrick’s Day, Columbus Day, Puerto Rican Day, Kwanzaa, etc. Arguably even for Mardis Gras.

I encourage pride in heritage and shared history and culture. These things can be done without hatred, violence, and excluding people as “not us.”
 

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No one has given more to the West and gotten less in return than the Poles. This is not disputed.

It is for reasons like this that Poland, having suffered so much at the hands of villainous regimes, should be willing to help those in need. There is no place for violence.

And I do not object to a people wanting to maintain its identity. We in the US do it regularly on St Patrick’s Day, Columbus Day, Puerto Rican Day, Kwanzaa, etc. Arguably even for Mardis Gras.

I encourage pride in heritage and shared history and culture. These things can be done without hatred, violence, and excluding people as “not us.”

I would refine your response with Irish American Day and Italian American Day/ Indigenous Peoples Day replacing St. Patrick's Day and Columbus Day for the following reasons:

"According to legend, St. Patrick was well known for “chasing the serpents out of Ireland”...There is in fact no evidence that real serpents ever existed in Ireland...the “serpents” of the story are an allusion to the people of African descent (the Twa) who lived in Ireland...in addition to Twa, some of the names for our people include; Naga, Nagar and Negus, which means loosely “serpent people” or “people of the serpent”. The name is also synonymous with Pharaohs and Kings. In many African cultures the serpent is not a symbol of evil but one of eternal life, regeneration, power, protection and wisdom. Chasing the serpents out of Ireland is a metaphor for genocide...What St. Patrick is really famous for, is waging a genocidal war against the indigenous people of Ireland...who were African (and coincidentally, thought to be Pagan)."

http://selfuni.wordpress.com/2014/03/18/irish-leprechauns-were-originally-black/

"There was an active well-organized movement that targeted Italian Americans. In the 1890’s it was what fueled one of our nation’s largest mass lynching when 11 Italian Americans were killed in New Orleans and in the 1920’s it was a part of the growing Eugenics movement, which had profound effect on US social and public policies. As a result of this hatred, and bad science, multiple states passed sterilization laws and Congress passed the Immigration Act of 1924 restricting immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe. As Italians, we were trying to find our way in this nation, navigating racism, claiming whiteness and white privilege, as we were simultaneously getting the message about how many people in our country felt about us. In the midst of all of this hatred and discrimination, in 1937 Franklin Roosevelt declared Columbus Day a national holiday. Was he trying to find some way to raise up Italian Americans or to appease us? Having a hero of such magnitude made us feel, despite the anti-Italian thinking, that we had a right to be here and could officially be a part of the white group.

This history is important to me and my fellow Italians – so that we can now bring to light the heaviness of rejection that our ancestors felt and why they may have been willing to accept this false hero. Maybe with this reckoning we can be allies to Native Americans and recognize the true history of their victimization and vow not to let it continue by making a hero out of a man who set in motion enslavement and genocide. The dialogue among our groups needs to happen in order to create a more genuine and empowering future for all of us."
http://www.democratandchronicle.com...n-american-rethinking-columbus-day/737194001/
 
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No one has given more to the West and gotten less in return than the Poles. This is not disputed.

It is for reasons like this that Poland, having suffered so much at the hands of villainous regimes, should be willing to help those in need. There is no place for violence.

And I do not object to a people wanting to maintain its identity. We in the US do it regularly on St Patrick’s Day, Columbus Day, Puerto Rican Day, Kwanzaa, etc. Arguably even for Mardis Gras.

I encourage pride in heritage and shared history and culture. These things can be done without hatred, violence, and excluding people as “not us.”

Additionally, I would refine your opening statement with the fact that no one has given more to the West than Africans and received the least. Here's why:

"Although it was true that southern countries owed debts to foreign banks and lending institutions, it was also true that in the colonial period—the first wave of globalization—the wealth of the North was built, in large part, on stolen indigenous land and the free labor provided by the slave trade. Many...argued that when these two debts were included in the calculus, it was actually the poorest regions of the world—especially Africa and the Caribbean— that turned out to be the creditors and the rich world that owed a debt. All big U.N. conferences tend to coalesce around a theme, and in Durban the clear theme was the call for reparations. The gathering’s overriding message was that even though the most visible signs of racism had largely disappeared—colonial rule, apartheid, Jim Crow–style segre- gation—profound racial divides will persist and even widen until the states and corporations that profited from centuries of state-sanctioned racism pay back some of what they owe...By the spring of 2001, reparations had become a hot-button topic on talk shows and op-ed pages. And although opponents consistently portrayed the demand as blacks wanting individual handouts from the government, most reparations advocates were clear that they were seeking group solutions: mass scholarship funds, for instance, or major investments in preventative health care. By the time Durban rolled around in late August, the conference had taken on the air of a black Woodstock...If you want to end racism, pay us back for what you have stolen. The demand for payback proved contagious, and it took many forms. Indigenous peoples wanted broken treaties honored. Brazilian peasants, many descended from slaves, said racism would not be addressed without redistributing land to them. And the South African protesters outside, tired of waiting for the ANC to make good on its promises, wanted reparations for the crimes of apartheid. In all these different but connected ways, anti-racism was transformed in Durban from something safe and comfortable for elites to embrace into something explosive, threatening, and potentially very, very costly. North American and European governments, the debtors in this new accounting, were vastly outnumbered and in the months before the conference tried to steer the negotiations onto safe terrain...There was one hitch. Six months before the meeting in Durban, a few Islamic countries requested language in their draft of the Durban Declaration that described Israeli policies in the occupied territories as “a new kind of apartheid” and a “form of genocide.” Then, a month before the conference, there was a new push for changes that were sure to grab international headlines. Some references to the Holocaust were placed in lower case, pluralized (“holocausts”), and paired with the “ethnic cleansing of the Arab population in historic Palestine.” References to “the increase in anti-Semitism and hostile acts against Jews” were paired with phrases about “the increase of racist practices of Zionism,” and Zionism was described as a movement “based on racism and discriminatory ideas.”


There is a strong argument to be made that Israel’s legal system— which has different laws and even roads for Israelis and Palestinians living in the West Bank, and which grants and denies citizen rights based largely on religious affiliation—meets the international definition of apartheid...the proposed clauses... gave the U.S. government the perfect excuse to flee the scene...most U.S. Jewish groups praised the walkout as a principled stand against anti-Semitism. The vast majority of delegates in Durban, however, saw things very differently: in their view, the U.S. had never wanted to be part of these discussions, and it had seized on the clauses about Israel...as “a flimsy excuse"...In the end, despite the walkout, Africa was not denied its rendezvous with history. The final Durban Declaration became the first document with international legal standing to state “that slavery and the slave trade are a crime against humanity and should always have been so, especially the transatlantic slave trade.” This language was more than symbolic. When lawyers had sought to win slavery reparations in U.S. courts, the biggest barrier was always the statute of limitations, which had long since expired. If slavery was “a crime against humanity,” however, it was not restricted by the statute...Nuremberg made it clear that crimes against humanity are not time-bound...That was September 9, 2001. Two days later, talk of reparations, along with so much else, was blasted off the political map. Africa’s “rendezvous with history” was all but forgotten."
http://www.ngo-monitor.org/data/images/File/HarpersMagazine-2009-09-0082642.pdf
 
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"According to legend, St. Patrick was well known for “chasing the serpents out of Ireland”...There is in fact no evidence that real serpents ever existed in Ireland...the “serpents” of the story are an allusion to the people of African descent (the Twa) who lived in Ireland...in addition to Twa, some of the names for our people include; Naga, Nagar and Negus, which means loosely “serpent people” or “people of the serpent”. The name is also synonymous with Pharaohs and Kings. In many African cultures the serpent is not a symbol of evil but one of eternal life, regeneration, power, protection and wisdom. Chasing the serpents out of Ireland is a metaphor for genocide...What St. Patrick is really famous for, is waging a genocidal war against the indigenous people of Ireland...who were African (and coincidentally, thought to be Pagan)."

http://selfuni.wordpress.com/2014/03/18/irish-leprechauns-were-originally-black/

Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses. ... The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs.
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There's no evidence of an indigenous pygmy presence in Ireland (let alone one which was driven out of existence by the Irish).

There are a bunch of facebook / pinterest / etc posts by people passing along stories of black leprechauns as some kind of fact, but a bunch of people sharing facebook nonsense doesn't make it become true.
 
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