Nationalists call for ethnic purity at polish demonstration

[QueenBea]

Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses. ... The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs.
Confirmation bias - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

There's no evidence of an indigenous pygmy presence in Ireland (let alone one which was driven out of existence by the Irish).

There are a bunch of facebook / pinterest / etc posts by people passing along stories of black leprechauns as some kind of fact, but a bunch of people sharing facebook nonsense doesn't make it become true.

"1 per cent of all Scotsmen are direct descendants of the Berber and Tuareg tribesmen of north Africa, a lineage 5,600 years old...Geneticists at Trinity have already shown that the Irish hold one of the purest remnants of the pre-Neolithic hunters and gatherers of southern Europe. Men with Gaelic surnames, and almost all the men of Connacht, carry the oldest genes of all...the flow of life to Ireland was undoubtedly enriched originally by the tribes from the mountains and sands of Africa...The Berber and Tuareg heritage now showing up in Scottish genes is just another support for the abundant “Celtic” associations found in north Africa, in song and singers, archaeological monuments, manuscript decoration and jewellery design. Such treasures as the Ardagh Chalice and Book of Durrow show intricate affinity with Islamic decorative motifs and crafts, and Coptic Christianity from Egypt left material traces well ahead of St Patrick."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/env...-why-celtic-dna-leads-back-to-africa-1.522345

 

[TexanStar]

"1 per cent of all Scotsmen are direct descendants of the Berber and Tuareg tribesmen of north Africa, a lineage 5,600 years old...Geneticists at Trinity have already shown that the Irish hold one of the purest remnants of the pre-Neolithic hunters and gatherers of southern Europe. Men with Gaelic surnames, and almost all the men of Connacht, carry the oldest genes of all...the flow of life to Ireland was undoubtedly enriched originally by the tribes from the mountains and sands of Africa...The Berber and Tuareg heritage now showing up in Scottish genes is just another support for the abundant “Celtic” associations found in north Africa, in song and singers, archaeological monuments, manuscript decoration and jewellery design. Such treasures as the Ardagh Chalice and Book of Durrow show intricate affinity with Islamic decorative motifs and crafts, and Coptic Christianity from Egypt left material traces well ahead of St Patrick."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/env...-why-celtic-dna-leads-back-to-africa-1.522345

Yes, that is fact, but that's nothing to do with what you're talking about.

What you argued (by way of your link) is that Ireland was settled by a group of technologically advanced African pygmies who were exterminated by St Patrick and other Christians who mistook their technology for magic and committed an ethnic cleansing upon them and took the Island over.

That is dumb (and I am not surprised that @Industrialsize likes it).

What is fact is that Ireland was settled by various nomadic groups, primarily from southern and Eastern Europe, and that culturally and genetically, the migrants from the Iberian peninsula in particular have influence from peoples from Northern Africa with whom they interacted and traded. This is what your more recent post is talking about. Not the great black leprechaun massacre of 450 AD.

 

[QueenBea]

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[TexanStar]

Again, what does the fact that human life originated in Africa have to do with St Patrick's supposed genocide of a culture of technologically advanced black pygmies who settled in Ireland and had their tech mistaken for leprechaun magic?

You linked some ludicrous story you got off of a facebook feed, and when someone points that out, you just post a bunch of unrelated articles and posts.

Is there a point where you actually say to yourself "Damn, I should probably be a little bit more skeptical about the kind of stuff my Aunt sends me in an email and do 5 minutes of research myself?" or is it more like "I will believe any work of fiction as irrefutable fact provided there is a white villain in it"?

 

[QueenBea]

Again, what does the fact that human life originated in Africa have to do with St Patrick's supposed genocide of a culture of technologically advanced black pygmies who settled in Ireland and had their tech mistaken for leprechaun magic?

You linked some ludicrous story you got off of a facebook feed, and when someone points that out, you just post a bunch of unrelated articles and posts.

Is there a point where you actually say to yourself "Damn, I should probably be a little bit more skeptical about the kind of stuff my Aunt sends me in an email and do 5 minutes of research myself?" or is it more like "I will believe any work of fiction as irrefutable fact provided there is a white villain in it"?

You choose to miss the point that folks who identify as "white" are not indigenous anywhere.

 

[QueenBea]

Again, what does the fact that human life originated in Africa have to do with St Patrick's supposed genocide of a culture of technologically advanced black pygmies who settled in Ireland and had their tech mistaken for leprechaun magic?

You linked some ludicrous story you got off of a facebook feed, and when someone points that out, you just post a bunch of unrelated articles and posts.

Is there a point where you actually say to yourself "Damn, I should probably be a little bit more skeptical about the kind of stuff my Aunt sends me in an email and do 5 minutes of research myself?" or is it more like "I will believe any work of fiction as irrefutable fact provided there is a white villain in it"?

Stop derailing the conversation, @TexanStar!

 

[QueenBea]

Back to the original topic and comments related to it:

"When people, whether black or white, say that assimilation and integration are ideal approaches to ameliorating or ending racism, what do they mean by assimilation and integration?

Do they mean that white individual will abandon white values and beliefs and join black culture and society? Of course not. They mean that black individuals will reject black values and beliefs and join with white culture and society.

Why does assimilation and integration run in this direction and not the other? The answer to this we're all supposed to know without being told: that white society is the normative, indeed superior cultural and societal order...Thus it follows that... the goal is an ostensibly colorblind society wherein all nonwhites become white, not a raceless society where whiteness has been abolished...But is this claim - that white culture is superior to black culture - really true? Who attempted to exterminate the native populations of North America and rounded up the survivors and interred them on reservations? Who enslaved Africans and built a civilization on their backs? Who lynched black people? Who established apartheid and herded blacks into ghettos? Who builds the prisons that house a disproportionate number of blacks? Who writes the laws that target blacks?...blacks will never be white for the simple fact that white society emerged from the context of domination and oppression of black and other darker-skinned minorities. Blacks will therefore always be subordinated to the norms and ideals of whiteness.


Blacks and whites can truly only live in the context of a nonracist society when whiteness is abolished, when neither blacks nor whites live according to the norms and values of white society. It means that the history of white people has to be devalued and the alleged goodness and rightness of that history rejected. Whites have to be race traitors."

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...7/racism-of-assimilation-and-integration.html

 

[TexanStar]

You choose to miss the point that folks who identify as "white" are not indigenous anywhere.

If you are going to ignore the common vernacular and go full textbook definition, the only "indigenous" people in the world are those residing in the Savannahs of Africa and who descended from the hominids who evolved there. Native Americans, aboriginal people, etc, would not be "indigenous" under this definition, as they are descended from people who migrated to these parts of the world (as are all the people outside of the African Savannah).

Is this the direction you want to go here? Do you feel like this line of reasoning contributes something of value to the thread?

 

[TexanStar]

Back to the original topic and comments related to it:

"When people, whether black or white, say that assimilation and integration are ideal approaches to ameliorating or ending racism, what do they mean by assimilation and integration?

Do they mean that white individual will abandon white values and beliefs and join black culture and society? Of course not. They mean that black individuals will reject black values and beliefs and join with white culture and society.

Why does assimilation and integration run in this direction and not the other? The answer to this we're all supposed to know without being told: that white society is the normative, indeed superior cultural and societal order...Thus it follows that... the goal is an ostensibly colorblind society wherein all nonwhites become white, not a raceless society where whiteness has been abolished...But is this claim - that white culture is superior to black culture - really true? Who attempted to exterminate the native populations of North America and rounded up the survivors and interred them on reservations? Who enslaved Africans and built a civilization on their backs? Who lynched black people? Who established apartheid and herded blacks into ghettos? Who builds the prisons that house a disproportionate number of blacks? Who writes the laws that target blacks?...blacks will never be white for the simple fact that white society emerged from the context of domination and oppression of black and other darker-skinned minorities. Blacks will therefore always be subordinated to the norms and ideals of whiteness.


Blacks and whites can truly only live in the context of a nonracist society when whiteness is abolished, when neither blacks nor whites live according to the norms and values of white society. It means that the history of white people has to be devalued and the alleged goodness and rightness of that history rejected. Whites have to be race traitors."

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...7/racism-of-assimilation-and-integration.html

Is this just going to be the reverse Mercurygirl where all you do is post other people's arguments about black oppression all day long?

 

[QueenBea]

If you are going to ignore the common vernacular and go full textbook definition, the only "indigenous" people in the world are those residing in the Savannahs of Africa and who descended from the hominids who evolved there. Native Americans, aboriginal people, etc, would not be "indigenous" under this definition, as they are descended from people who migrated to these parts of the world (as are all the people outside of the African Savannah).

Is this the direction you want to go here? Do you feel like this line of reasoning contributes something of value to the thread?

Your contributions to this thread lack reason.

 

[QueenBea]

Is this just going to be the reverse Mercurygirl where all you do is post other people's arguments about black oppression all day long?

Clearly, you plan on spending your limited time upon this earth obfuscating truth to uphold Manifest Destiny.

 

[TexanStar]

Clearly, you plan on spending your limited time upon this earth obfuscating truth to uphold Manifest Destiny.

Um, do you know what Manifest Destiny means?

Edit: Let me save you some time, since your Aunt isn't going to email this to you.

Manifest Destiny is a term for the attitude prevalent during the 19th century period of American expansion that the United States not only could, but was destined to, stretch from coast to coast

Last I checked, the USA does indeed stretch from coast to coast.

 

[QueenBea]

Um, do you know what Manifest Destiny means?

Edit: Let me save you some time, since your Aunt isn't going to email this to you.

Manifest Destiny is a term for the attitude prevalent during the 19th century period of American expansion that the United States not only could, but was destined to, stretch from coast to coast

Last I checked, the USA does indeed stretch from coast to coast.

"What if you had the ability to select from two radically different doctors?


1. Doctor has dictionary knowledge of the issue at hand.


2. Doctor has encyclopedic knowledge of the issue at hand.


Which one would you choose?...white people would choose the dictionary guy. You see, according to white people, dictionary definitions can solve all problems. Dictionary definitions of complex concepts, just totally rock, if you ask white people...The utility of a dictionary,...is grounded more on spelling, than greater understanding of concepts and ideas. In reality, no one is checking for Dictionary Bob when Encyclopedia Brown is in the house...To choose dictionary knowledge over encyclopedic knowledge, is to actively choose stupid. It’s a form of willful ignorance...You don’t solve complex, sociological, economic problems with dictionaries. Racism, cannot be solved or understood by a dictionary.


White people choose to obfuscate the problem of racism because it’s a system that they benefit from, and even if they aren’t cognizant of that, they certainly are cognizant of the fact that there’s no real negative effects to their livelihood. White people will continue to play stupid and go by dictionary definitions of racism because they honestly do not want to end racism.


In order to fix this problem, white people will have to simply quit playing. White people will have to quit bullshitting black people, and all other racialized people when racism is the topic. Racism is a psycho-sociological phenomenon that has economic effects on people. Laws are constructed in certain ways because of racism. Racism isn’t simply “hurt feelings”, it’s an institutionally empowered form of oppression, so no, whites cannot suffer from racism in America. Stop attempting the obfuscate the matter...people who wrap themselves around the dictionary definition of “racism” are not people who are actively seeking to dismantle racism. As a person of color, this can be a litmus test to identify who is serious about solving the problem and who is not."

http://afrosapiophile.com/2017/06/17/dictionaries-are-too-weak/

 

[TexanStar]

white people would X

Yeah, definitely Mercurygirl's sister in spirit.

As a piece of advice, if you don't want to come across as racist yourself, don't start any remarks with "White people would"

You see, according to white people

Don't say things like this either (again, if you don't want people to point out your racist view

White people choose to

"white people (verb)"... pretty much anything there, immediate racist red flag. just saying.

White people will continue to play stupid and go by dictionary definitions of racism because they honestly do not want to end racism

delicious irony.

White people will have to

You really can't stop, can you? I'm so sorry.

whites cannot suffer from racism in America

Says every anti-white racist person ever.

 

[halcyondays]

Our tribal instincts are alive and well no matter how hateful and divisive.

It will continue until individuals stop allowing themselves to me sucked in by the rhetoric of fear, loss and victimhood spouted by opportunistic politicians.

 

[QueenBea]

Yeah, definitely Mercurygirl's sister in spirit.

As a piece of advice, if you don't want to come across as racist yourself, don't start any remarks with "White people would"



Don't say things like this either (again, if you don't want people to point out your racist view



"white people (verb)"... pretty much anything there, immediate racist red flag. just saying.



delicious irony.



You really can't stop, can you? I'm so sorry.



Says every anti-white racist person ever.

Too funny! The oppressor using the language of the oppressed to cry foul. Your hood is off, so I suggest you stop deflecting, @TexanStar!

 

[TexanStar]

Too funny! The oppressor using the language of the oppressed to cry foul. Your hood is off, so I suggest you stop deflecting, @TexanStar!

 

[QueenBea]

"Most sociology scholars claim that black folk cannot be racist, they are only thinking in the direction of the reverse, and that is correct. I, on the other hand, always sleep with an eye open, so I always maintained that black people can be racist — only towards other blacks that is...Just as black progress has two sides (e.g., black empowerment, dismantling racism) cooning has its parallel: defending white supremacy and assaulting the black community."
https://afrosapiophile.com/2017/10/10/tanooki/

 

[twoton]

the “serpents” of the story are an allusion to the people of African descent (the Twa) who lived in Ireland...

This is interesting, but . . . I haven't found anything online that points to an academic study that shows evidence that the Twa people inhabited Ireland. There are several articles on sites like Wordpress and Pinterest, but those don't quite meet the rigors of the scientific method.

 

[TexanStar]

"Most sociology scholars claim that black folk cannot be racist, they are only thinking in the direction of the reverse, and that is correct. I, on the other hand, always sleep with an eye open, so I always maintained that black people can be racist — only towards other blacks that is...Just as black progress has two sides (e.g., black empowerment, dismantling racism) cooning has its parallel: defending white supremacy and assaulting the black community."
https://afrosapiophile.com/2017/10/10/tanooki/

lol, did you just call me a coon?

Or, I'm sorry, a parallel coon?