Near death experiences and exact science

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Was watching a cardiologist who wrote a book about near death experiences speak on a talk show yesterday.

Was very interesting how he considered the soul a continuous transient entity.

A few witnesses explained how they could see people reanimating them while they were in cardiac arrest and all brain activity stopped.

Very interesting.

Do you believe in it?

I found it credible for one and very convincing what some witnessed.
The other part of me doesn't believe in it.
As a person with an exact science background it's difficult to accept these phenomena.

What's your take on it?

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I had a dream one time...I spoke about it under another username here some time ago.

I rolled my Utility, on the way home. 2 weeks before, I had talked with my daughter, she knows her Dad is a little different when it comes to prediction...anyway. I mentioned to her I had a dream I rolled my truck (2 ton Dyna). I couldn't find my mobile phone.

About 2 weeks later..on the way home, slightly wet road, I braked, truck went sideways...regained control, straight, braked lightly, went sideways into oncoming traffic...but slid off the side of the road and rolled.

Laying on my side in the truck, people trying to pull me out through the windsheild that was broken, engine still running, me saying it's okay, it won't blow up :) Everything, my tools etc all over the ground but could not find my mobile phone.

When everyone helped place the truck upright, my mobile, which was beside me in the truck, was underneath it the drivers side door.

I have had many things happen in my life I can't explain. Some things more vivid. I can be working, then have stuff come into my head like an electrical shock. It's just lucky that I have said to people before that this is what I've seen. Later....they look at me a little different, I've always been the same, and I reckon there are plenty out there who are the same. I'm odd, in lots of ways :) :)...I don't care.

I've shortened my reply because people don't want to understand. I'm not religious, but I am spiritual. For me, they are two entirely different things. One is a feeling of connection, the other is taught to fit in to the norm.

Remain skeptical, but always open minded. I've had crap placed on me here at one time........I think the reason why is because they had not experienced it, to them it was a lie.

Basically, if you are looking for deep discussion, it's not going to happen. I do it, cause I don't really care what people think, 90% don't swim in deep water because they are afraid.
 
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Near death isn't dead--not cold and dead. Cardiac surgeons are dealing with a warm living body kept alive with a heart/lung machine oxygenating & circulating blood keeping tissue alive right down to the cellular level while the heart has been stopped for bypass surgery and even full removal (!) to receive a transplant.

This includes brain tissue. Cardiac arrest is not at all like an on/off switch for the brain. It doesn't instantly go dark. The visions people see during CA means the visual cortex of the brain is still alive and functioning even though the heart has stopped. There's some evidence that visual cortex activity at this stage is due to hypoxia (lack of oxygen) in brain tissue during arrest because people don't normally dream under general anesthesia.

Surveys of patients who survive cardiac arrest show that only about 25% have a "near death experience" where they remember seeing something. Very likely it's just residual visual cortex activity in the brain.

When I was in high school I was reading a book on near death experiences. A classmate saw it and told me he was "dead" on the operating room table for five minutes during surgery after a motorcycle accident the previous summer. "It was nothing but black," he said. I held up the book and said, "Well they admit only 25% of those surveyed have the experience and they can only survey those who survive."

He wasn't fully dead. He was intubated so they were breathing for him (called "bagging") and shocked him with a defibrillator in between chest compressions to restart his heart. They might have injected adrenaline right into his heart had nothing else worked.

Again near death isn't death. So far as we know no one has come back from the stone cold death of a decaying body. People found alive in morgues were never fully dead to begin with. A body might be dying but isn't fully dead yet. As we used to say in the business, "Someone called it wrong."

Happy Dia de Muertos! :skull::skull::skull: We remember our beloved dead knowing we'll all be forgotten in the vastness of time. :heart:
 

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I think its legit, we are definitely living multidimensionally. Death is not what we think or have been told. Death is not the end if our soul. NDE are connected to the cosmos somehow i just dont know the exact information yet
 
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I had a dream one time...I spoke about it under another username here some time ago.

I rolled my Utility, on the way home. 2 weeks before, I had talked with my daughter, she knows her Dad is a little different when it comes to prediction...anyway. I mentioned to her I had a dream I rolled my truck (2 ton Dyna). I couldn't find my mobile phone.

About 2 weeks later..on the way home, slightly wet road, I braked, truck went sideways...regained control, straight, braked lightly, went sideways into oncoming traffic...but slid off the side of the road and rolled.

Laying on my side in the truck, people trying to pull me out through the windsheild that was broken, engine still running, me saying it's okay, it won't blow up :) Everything, my tools etc all over the ground but could not find my mobile phone.

When everyone helped place the truck upright, my mobile, which was beside me in the truck, was underneath it the drivers side door.

I have had many things happen in my life I can't explain. Some things more vivid. I can be working, then have stuff come into my head like an electrical shock. It's just lucky that I have said to people before that this is what I've seen. Later....they look at me a little different, I've always been the same, and I reckon there are plenty out there who are the same. I'm odd, in lots of ways :) :)...I don't care.

I've shortened my reply because people don't want to understand. I'm not religious, but I am spiritual. For me, they are two entirely different things. One is a feeling of connection, the other is taught to fit in to the norm.

Remain skeptical, but always open minded. I've had crap placed on me here at one time........I think the reason why is because they had not experienced it, to them it was a lie.

Basically, if you are looking for deep discussion, it's not going to happen. I do it, cause I don't really care what people think, 90% don't swim in deep water because they are afraid.


plus infinite,apparently

funny 70s but

some
must think they have the right to delete whatever/whnever

disapointing
esp with no legitimate reason,unless reported by whomever huh

hating on bs secretive stuff tnh
 

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plus infinite,apparently

funny 70s but

some
must think they have the right to delete whatever/whnever

disapointing
esp with no legitimate reason,unless reported by whomever huh

hating on bs secretive stuff tnh

btw

all i said in my first reply tob your p0ost was related


amazon,is regarded as

'the lung's of the earth'

not good enough for some huh

oh my
 

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Near death isn't dead--not cold and dead. Cardiac surgeons are dealing with a warm living body kept alive with a heart/lung machine oxygenating & circulating blood keeping tissue alive right down to the cellular level while the heart has been stopped for bypass surgery and even full removal (!) to receive a transplant.

This includes brain tissue. Cardiac arrest is not at all like an on/off switch for the brain. It doesn't instantly go dark. The visions people see during CA means the visual cortex of the brain is still alive and functioning even though the heart has stopped. There's some evidence that visual cortex activity at this stage is due to hypoxia (lack of oxygen) in brain tissue during arrest because people don't normally dream under general anesthesia.

Surveys of patients who survive cardiac arrest show that only about 25% have a "near death experience" where they remember seeing something. Very likely it's just residual visual cortex activity in the brain.

When I was in high school I was reading a book on near death experiences. A classmate saw it and told me he was "dead" on the operating room table for five minutes during surgery after a motorcycle accident the previous summer. "It was nothing but black," he said. I held up the book and said, "Well they admit only 25% of those surveyed have the experience and they can only survey those who survive."

He wasn't fully dead. He was intubated so they were breathing for him (called "bagging") and shocked him with a defibrillator in between chest compressions to restart his heart. They might have injected adrenaline right into his heart had nothing else worked.

Again near death isn't death. So far as we know no one has come back from the stone cold death of a decaying body. People found alive in morgues were never fully dead to begin with. A body might be dying but isn't fully dead yet. As we used to say in the business, "Someone called it wrong."

Happy Dia de Muertos! :skull::skull::skull: We remember our beloved dead knowing we'll all be forgotten in the vastness of time. :heart:
It probably would make a great doco, but will never be made. Exhumation of those pronounced dead, but scratch marks on the inside of the lid :) With the popularity of cremation, doubt you'll find any scratchies there :). Some cultures rush to place people in the ground....western society is a little more paced. But yeah, one wonders.
 
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What really gets me about NDE's are the people who "were outside of their bodies looking down." They knew things in real time that were impossible for an unconscious person to know -- or SEE. I don't know; it's really bizarre. Science tries to explain it with neurons firing during end of life, etc., but that doesn't explain these "out of body" experiences. How can you look down at ourself and know what is all around you, or away from you in other rooms, places, etc. Consciousness eludes us all.

Who knows what happens when you die? It's life's greatest mystery.
 

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What really gets me about NDE's are the people who "were outside of their bodies looking down." They knew things in real time that were impossible for an unconscious person to know -- or SEE. I don't know; it's really bizarre. Science tries to explain it with neurons firing during end of life, etc., but that doesn't explain these "out of body" experiences. How can you look down at ourself and know what is all around you, or away from you in other rooms, places, etc. Consciousness eludes us all.

Who knows what happens when you die? It's life's greatest mystery.
It's the glimpses that we have. It's okay for the doubters to have their little rant. I'm pretty harsh when I critique myself, have a pretty good memory. When it happens more than a few times, I'm left with...well, okay.

I'm not out to change anyone's mind, it's pretty much an individual thing. But yeah.
 
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personally do belive it happens

we are all susceptible to mot/many things i think

individual honesty of experiences,odten as valuable as scientific proof,me thinks huh
 

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What really gets me about NDE's are the people who "were outside of their bodies looking down." They knew things in real time that were impossible for an unconscious person to know -- or SEE. I don't know; it's really bizarre. Science tries to explain it with neurons firing during end of life, etc., but that doesn't explain these "out of body" experiences. How can you look down at ourself and know what is all around you, or away from you in other rooms, places, etc. Consciousness eludes us all.

Who knows what happens when you die? It's life's greatest mystery.

Again "near death" isn't stone cold death.

And yes there are a few known cases of people essentially flash frozen in very cold weather who revived when warmed with medical care but the vast majority who die of hypothermia do not revive. Please don't try this at home. :skull:

There's a way to scientifically test those who claim they "were outside of their bodies looking down" by putting something like test patterns on top of equipment or cupboards which subjects could only see from up there around the ceiling but could not see just standing or lying in the room.

THAT would be an interesting experiment but to blind it no one in the OR or hospital room could know the patterns were already there and to double blind the study the investigators couldn't know where the patterns were, when they were placed there or what the patterns were.

While experiments like these have been proposed I don't know if any have been done.

Life after death? Well first it's a contradiction in terms and second all cultures are indoctrinated to believe in it from earliest childhood so the bias in favor of it is enormous. As always indoctrination is another word for brainwashing.
 
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