New Agers and New Thoughters -- what do you think of them?

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    It's hard to generalize. Everyone is an individual. I know this. But something unusual recently occurred to me. My New Age and New Thought friends go around saying things like "teach only love," and yet they are often some of the most hateful, revengeful, neurotic people I know. (New Thought is a liberal type of Christianity, often referred to as "New Age Christianity.")

    To be fair, I have indeed met some New Age and New Thought people who "walk the talk." But most I have known are judgmental, angry, self-righteous people. Their talk is good. I like what they have to say (that we should all be kind and get along). But they usually don't live by it, and so I have come to avoid New Agers and New Thoughters as much as possible.

    And, oh, don't get me started on the fact that most New Age and New Thought teachers and products ("The Secret" etc.) are frauds, money making scams..... :rolleyes:

    Any thoughts?

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    One thing I've come to realize is that New Age and New Thought is usually very closely aligned with the recovery movement. In other words, many New Agers and New Thoughters are former (and often current) addicts. (Boy. It's a good thing this forum allows for rants.... lol)
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    Ugh the secret is a right load of bollocks. My uncle's into it - and it's for people who dont think in terms of what is or isn't likely or possible.

    It's basically some common sense (sort of) stuff about thinking positively, but allying it to some crud about the universe wanting you to reap all kinds of rewards. Shite.

    New age stuff is kinda nice for ppl who are a bit floaty and don't really want to know about reality. Some of them are nice though. :D

    PS: My uncle is using 'the Secret' to 'get' the kinda life he wants, in the hope that by being grateful for everything he will cause loads of money to start flowing in. Oh, he also wants to use it to start a scammy internet business flogging twaddle to people for profit. :rolleyes: But maybe I shouldn'ta said that...
     
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    What's amazing is that people just line up to buy this nonsense. The Secret reminds me of that mail-order book scheme people used to joke about. Apparently, there was once an ad in newspapers about a mail-order book that would teach you how to make millions. You order the book, and when it arrives it explains to you that you need to sell "how to be a millionaire" books by mail.

    Excellent way to put it. New Age people are "floaty." They all seem like they just got done smoking a joint (likely because many of them have). I had one friend who made me sit and watch this nonsense video he ordered by this dipshit who claimed a woman from outerspace contacted him and was sending him messages of peace, etc. I looked at my friend in disgust and said, "You paid money for this video?" He was offended! :mad:
     
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    No better than main stream religions.
    Still full of thou shalt and thou shalt nots.

    It's a load of bollocks and a security blanket and a crutch for the gullible and the feeble minded.
    Watch your wallet.
    Salvation no doubt hinges upon a sizable donation.
     
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    That's another great irony. So many New Agers say they are different from the mainstream religions, but they end up being just like them.
     
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    I never got into new age stuff. As with all religions/faiths there are those people that represent the worst of everything. One bad apple.

    I have met angry, bitter, judgmental people from all walks of faiths. Some of the worst were in my dad's church. It's not the fault of the religion, the fault lies with the individual.
     
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    New Age is sort of a mish mash, a grab-bag, of religions and spiritual beliefs. So, I'm not blaming the "religion" of New Age. Just thinking of the irony. My New Age friends spout the platitudes of "teach peace," yet they are always at each others' throats.

    Yeah, people are people, and unfortunately most of them suck. lol. :biggrin1:
     
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    I just tell those kinds of people (including the obviously self-righteous "Christians" that seem to have a "need" to prove to everyone they are) that when they learn how to love, and get "The Big Picture", we'll talk. Until then, GO AWAY.

    They're never sure what to make of that. :tongue:
     
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    As I see it, the New Age movement grew out of the counter-culture movement of the late 60s - early 70s. Back then, the movement was focused on changing society in what were quite uncertain terms of political and socioeconomic change. Of course, there was a hippy fringe, and unfortunately that's all we remember - but it's important that there was also a serious political element that basically clashed head-on with the state (riots in New York and Paris, standoffs with the military at Berkeley). Many of these activists were faced with police brutality and arrest. The state wasn't going to budge.

    This produced a change of tack. People were literally scared off by the state's violence. The focus changed from "change society" to "if everyone works on changing themselves, then society will change by critical mass". The revolution turned inward. People then started to focus on their individuality and self-improvement through a myriad of techniques (retreats, group therapies, self-help books). Social liberation turned into self-liberation. Which of course fits right into the capitalist system that the original political movement was trying to change. The new sense of individuality and the focus on self-improvement was the ideal new field for image and identity marketing - from bumper stickers to holidays to clothes - all aimed at a certain "type" of individual looking to self-actualise.

    I agree though, New Age stuff really gets on my nerves. Mostly because it represents giving up on the will for real social and political change. It's modern manifestations are pretty much dispicable: self-help books that feed off weakness, and "cute", "ethnic" products that confirm stereotypes and make other's cultures into consumer items. It seems like the manifestation of a lost consumer society if you ask me...:rolleyes:
     
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    I'm a New Age thinker and if y'all douchebags don't like it, then you can go out and suck the tailpipe of a runnin' Harley. lol! Was that judgmental and hateful enough for ya?

    Organized religion is total crap, but on the other hand the "abundance theory" propagated by many of these New Age theorists is another load of pure crap. In their world, bad things happen because of bad thoughts and if your life isn't turning out the way that you want it to, then you are thinking the wrong thoughts. On close inspection, the abundance theory is bullshit of the highest order. Further delving into the theory yields a much less fantastic system of achieving happiness and peace with your thoughts instead of the more selfish seeking of wealth and power.

    Internal happiness and peace is what they are really preaching whether they know it or not. Achieving wealth through positive thinking is just what the practitioners want to hear, not what the regurgitated ancient wisdom actually teaches.

    The answers to life are all found in the wisdom of the ancients... the New Age and New Thought folks are hip to that and have developed a system of quasi-religion and philosphy that is ahead of organized religion by leaps and bounds.

    Don't fucking hate on the New Agers, they are not the ones ruining the earth in the name of a specific God. Or claiming that some religious book gives them license to kill and take other's property.

    New Age thinking is the goddamn answer not the fucking problem.
     
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    I still feel the same way about them, but I agree that in the 60s the new age movement helped to challenge traditional, strict social mores that needed re-thinking.

    If it's just about free-thinking and viewing things objectively, then that's fine - it's just all the weed, sitting underneath healing crystals, and philosophical bollocks that gets on my nerves.
     
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    The only thing the New Age did was merge spirituality and religion with capitalism. Spiritual and religious practice used to about discipline of some sort. With the New Age and New Thought, you are a good practitioner as long as you just buy the latest product.
     
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    This is an excellent point, by the way. One thing that irritates me most about the New Agers is that they talk about how they are changing the world, and yet all they do is go to over-priced, self-indulgent workshops where they nurther their inner child. They seem to think that being hedonistic and self-centered is benefiting the rest of humanity. All they are is selfish and self-absorbed.

     
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    very interesting subject. A couple of years ago I went through a phase where i was looking in to it as well. After meeting several people and going to groups I found out that those are indeed the ones who preach but live their lifes not according to that.
    Eventually I got so fed up with those "so called" spirituals and new agers that I just stopped doing that stuff.
     
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    One of the most annoying things about the New Agers is the self-righteousness, and I include Wiccans in this. There is so much irony. The New Agers ridicule the mainstream religions for being arrogant and oppressing everyone and acting like they know everything, yet the New Agers do the same.
     
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    Exactly one of the many aspects of New Ageism that Jennifer Saunders so accurately skewered in AbFab.
     
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    I DESPISE the term NEW-AGE mainly b/c most of the beliefs that a new-ager believes in are ANCIENT and pre-date Christianity by thousands of years.
    There is nothing new about NEW-AGE ! It comes from our planet transitioning from one age into another . We were in the Piscean age and are now going into the Aquarian age. The ideas of the last age (Christianity, Organized religion etc...) are seen as part of the old age and the new age is one of more spiritual liberation . Yet the idea of Reincarnation, Astrology, Numerology and so on are not new but since there is a new acceptance if you will for these ideas they are lumped into the NEW AGE


    HH
     
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    :wtf: ???

    That is a load of bunk. While the "NEW-AGE" philosophy teaches free will it says nothing about not doing something for the betterment of mankind QUITE THE CONTRARY !

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    That's exactly my point. It does nothing for the betterment of mankind. It's all about self, self, self.
     
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