New Agers and New Thoughters -- what do you think of them?

[jason_els]

I have been corrected. Thank you.

I hope I wasn't too sharp. I don't like being a pill.:frown1:

 

[B_henry miller]

So, the New Agers do have a set dogma?
So, the New Agers don't borrow from every other religion out there?
So, the New Agers don't piss off the Indians/Native Americans by stealing from their culture? Plastic shaman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh, and classy move suggesting I was under the influence. But what are you doing typing to me about this? I'm sure you've got some paradigms to shift in some $3,000 weekend retreat with some conman. Go flush your money down the toilet with the con artists and leave me alone!
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Shame you? Not my intention. Your thinking is bland enough that it fits into "cookie cutter mentality". What you stated is flat, without too many facts, over the top generalizations and negative viewpoints.

Known "thousands"? --then be more specific. ALL fakes and frauds.....everyone but you....

My interest in people is to clarify the thinking they show. Seems to me I've encountered a few of your texts where you were Typing Under the Influence
(maybe wine)....you misspelled "uneducated".

Poking at people and trying to shame them is something that is practiced by the Roman Catholic Church, Judia, Islam, Scientology....and so on.

 

[ZOS23xy]

So, the New Agers do have a set dogma?
So, the New Agers don't borrow from every other religion out there?
So, the New Agers don't piss off the Indians/Native Americans by stealing from their culture? Plastic shaman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh, and classy move suggesting I was under the influence. But what are you doing typing to me about this? I'm sure you've got some paradigms to shift in some $3,000 weekend retreat with some conman. Go flush your money down the toilet with the con artists and leave me alone!
Catherine Bennett: Only an idiot could take The Secret seriously. Yet Cameron seems to be following its tips to the letter | Comment is free | The Guardian

Bullshit and batshit. Every now and then you run a thread with an agenda and try to control it and the outcomes. You're not very good at it. Several times in previous posts you yourself suggested you were under the influence. You seem to rely heavily on your own created threads, rarely offering your words of wisdom in threads created by others.

I don't do retreats. You ought to stop with your projecting and only deal with the presented information.

Transcendence and the acknowledgement of it is a staple of every religion. Do other religions borrow? Yes.

I am independent. I follow only my desires. I follow my logic.

Ha ha to you.

 

[B_henry miller]

Wow. You read my other posts? Hmmm.

At any rate, I was kidding when I said I was under the influence. I'm the cleanest person on the planet. But this thread really isn't about me. It's about the New Age religions.

Bullshit and batshit. Every now and then you run a thread with an agenda and try to control it and the outcomes. You're not very good at it. Several times in previous posts you yourself suggested you were under the influence. You seem to rely heavily on your own created threads, rarely offering your words of wisdom in threads created by others.

I don't do retreats. You ought to stop with your projecting and only deal with the presented information.

Transcendence and the acknowledgement of it is a staple of every religion. Do other religions borrow? Yes.

I am independent. I follow only my desires. I follow my logic.

Ha ha to you.

 

[ZOS23xy]

Wow. You read my other posts? Hmmm.

At any rate, I was kidding when I said I was under the influence. I'm the cleanest person on the planet. But this thread really isn't about me. It's about the New Age religions.

And your attitude towards, thereof...which is about the same as anyone who decides they are holier than thou, or any specific group they are holding up with their tweezers to rebuke, annoy and throw false slander...

 

[B_henry miller]

Oh, I don't think I'm holier than thou.... But most New Agers think that way. New Agers and New Thoughters are often some of the most elitist and cliqueish people you will ever meet.

 

[Ethyl]

Oh, I don't think I'm holier than thou.... But most New Agers think that way. New Agers and New Thoughters are often some of the most elitist and cliqueish people you will ever meet.

Elitism has no religious or secular boundaries. Anyone who thinks otherwise has had limited interaction with people from different walks of life.

 

[B_henry miller]

Elitism has no religious or secular boundaries. Anyone who thinks otherwise has had limited interaction with people from different walks of life.

Yes, but one of the foundational doctrines of most of the New Age and New Thought movements is that they are not elitist. The New Agers/Thoughters often teach that elitism is wrong, and that they are better than the mainstream religions because the mainstream religions foster divisions in society. But the New Agers/Thoughters do the same.

With most mainstream religions, they come right out and say, "You should be what we are!" In other words, as I found, the mainstream religions are often more honest, and the New Agers/Thoughters often just hypocrites. I actually knew a woman at a New Thought church who ended up leaving the New Thought church and returning to the Catholic church for this reason. She said that the New Thought church had just as much corruption as the Catholic church, so she may as well go back to the church she had more history with.

 

[Ethyl]

Yes, but one of the foundational doctrines of most of the New Age and New Thought movements is that they are not elitist. The New Agers/Thoughters often teach that elitism is wrong, and that they are better than the mainstream religions because the mainstream religions foster divisions in society. But the New Agers/Thoughters do the same.

I don't disagree with this but it clearly shows that humans are egocentric and flawed. Everyone I know thinks what they believe works best for themselves and will say as much. Nobody except the hard-core fundies will insist their dogma (or lack thereof) is most enlightening for everyone but it doesn't mean they don't believe everyone would benefit from the wisdom of their beliefs. They tend to express it in subtle ways such as reactions from conversations or interactions with others.

With most mainstream religions, they come right out and say, "You should be what we are!" In other words, as I found, the mainstream religions are often more honest, and the New Agers/Thoughters often just hypocrites. I actually knew a woman at a New Thought church who ended up leaving the New Thought church and returning to the Catholic church for this reason. She said that the New Thought church had just as much corruption as the Catholic church, so she may as well go back to the church she had more history with.

This has been occurring more often in the last ten years. People sample a few diverse religions or shy away completely from it and find themselves going back to church or whatever their childhood beliefs were.

I don't think mainstream religions are more honest. They tell you what they want you to hear but their actions don't always reflect what they teach and the ones that do are often damned scary.

 

[B_henry miller]

In other words, when it comes right down to it, the New Agers/Thoughters are just like everyone else -- but pride themselves in NOT being like everyone else, pride themselves in being original and different.

By the way, New Thought and New Age churches and groups are really just catering to consumerism. That's their marketing strategy: updating religion and the church experience for the consumerist modern American age. THAT'S the only difference, really. They are more media and marketing savvy than the older religions. They know how to get on Oprah and push their products.... lol :biggrin1:

I don't disagree with this but it clearly shows that humans are egocentric and flawed. Everyone I know thinks what they believe works best for themselves and will say as much. Nobody except the hard-core fundies will insist their dogma (or lack thereof) is most enlightening for everyone but it doesn't mean they don't believe everyone would benefit from the wisdom of their beliefs. They tend to express it in subtle ways such as reactions from conversations or interactions with others.

 

[ZOS23xy]

Mr Miller: your logic is poor and runs into circular thinking and your logic is poor and runs into circular thinking.

And you try to be an arch thinker, but you're not. Is there another group of individuals you can pick on to inflate and bloat your your ego.

 

[B_henry miller]

Mr Miller: your logic is poor and runs into circular thinking and your logic is poor and runs into circular thinking.

And you try to be an arch thinker, but you're not. Is there another group of individuals you can pick on to inflate and bloat your your ego.

You're a great example of what I'm talking about. You accuse me of doing exactly what you are doing. You're insulting me, but accuse me of insulting the New Agers/Thoughters. You're a New Ager, right?

I suppose insulting me personally is what you do when you can't think of anything to add to the topic. And it's very ironic that someone sympathetic to the New Age movement would be questioning my intellectual capacity; the New Age movement is filled with some of the most incredibly fuzzy thinking I've ever seen.

Anyway, off to a retreat with Ramtha, you know, the middle aged white woman in Washington state who "channels" a 35,000-year-old male entity from Atlantis -- and charges hundreds of thousands of dollars for weekend retreats. She's one of the superstars of the New Age scene!
J. Z. Knight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ZOS23xy]

You're a great example of what I'm talking about. You accuse me of doing exactly what you are doing. You're insulting me, but accuse me of insulting the New Agers/Thoughters. You're a New Ager, right?

I suppose insulting me personally is what you do when you can't think of anything to add to the topic. And it's very ironic that someone sympathetic to the New Age movement would be questioning my intellectual capacity; the New Age movement is filled with some of the most incredibly fuzzy thinking I've ever seen.

Anyway, off to a retreat with Ramtha, you know, the middle aged white woman in Washington state who "channels" a 35,000-year-old male entity from Atlantis -- and charges hundreds of thousands of dollars for weekend retreats. She's one of the superstars of the New Age scene!
J. Z. Knight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I was pointing out your circular reasoning. It's very evident.

New Age? I've been involved with yoga and meditation and exercise since 1970. New Age? That was a brand name to cap onto the financial resources that could be had from people who wanted to spend money in order to feel spiritual. This is also done at pro Christian rallies.

If you feel insulted, that's not my fault.

And "Ramtha"--I never bought into channeling. Seems that channelers are quite capable of imatitating the beings they channel even when they're not entranced.

I didn't bring this person--J.Z. Knight up. You did. So what are you trying to prove?

Your intellectual capacity: what was the purpose of this thread exactly?

 

[B_henry miller]

And you say I'm not intelligent? The purpose of this thread is right in the thread title, the question, "New Agers and New Thoughters -- what do you think of them?"

I don't even know what we're arguing about anymore, and I don't really care much anymore anyway. (Besides, it's a little surreal to try to get into a philosophical argument with someone meanwhile there are pictures of our penises by our words. Pretty funny.)

 

[ZOS23xy]

And you say I'm not intelligent? The purpose of this thread is right in the thread title, the question, "New Agers and New Thoughters -- what do you think of them?"

I don't even know what we're arguing about anymore, and I don't really care much anymore anyway. (Besides, it's a little surreal to try to get into a philosophical argument with someone meanwhile there are pictures of our penises by our words. Pretty funny.)

You start a thread about people you find annoying and you hope to find like thinking folk to pat you on the back.

If this isn't stupid, I don't know what is.

Of course a lot of the threads you start are like this.

 

[B_henry miller]

Well, that's your interpretation anyway.

 

[ZOS23xy]

I don't see anyone agreeing with you.

 

[vince]

Any thoughts?

Ya.. I thought this 'movement' was a thing of the 1970's- and was pretty much one of the commercialized dregs of the 60's that got washed away by the rampant consumerism of the late 80's and 1990's. Is it in anyway important in the present day USA?

 

[Hellboy0]

I honestly don't give a shit either way. Too much energy spent in my younger years trying to believe in things OTHER people told me was important. As I've matured (sorta...my friends would disagree about how mature i am) I've found my beliefs need only my own research and journeying, not validation from someone or something else.

Enjoy this post... but it's kinda like masturbating after a very long day/night of fucking: ya never quite get anywhere and end up going to sleep with a raw cock and no jizz. LOL!

 

[midlifebear]

Back in the day when I still worked for "Da Man", I had the misfortune to work for a smallish company owned by a rabid New Ager. At the time he was big on neuro linguistic programming and found a way to manipulate every employee to take at least one NLP seminar. I avoided the issue until I discovered there was an NLP workshop in San Francisco, about the same time I wanted to visit some friends in the Bay Area. So, I marched in and signed aboard. The CEO/Owner/President of the company was thrilled that I was finally "coming around." My coworkers new full well that I was just twisting the tits of the system: round-trip airfare, three days and four nights at the Mark Hopkins, a $80 per diem and a car if I needed it. They had all been stuck going to a boring workshop 30 miles away.

The first day of the NLP workshop the "facilitator" made a big stink about how we are not what others perceive, but what we say we are. I responded (without being solicited) that by his definition, "I am obviously the Queen of France!" The New Age facilitator knew trouble when he saw it. He was not about to get stuck in a 12 hour a day, 3 day workshop with me. So I was asked to leave after less than 30 minutes. This left me plenty of time to have a nice, relaxing time in San Francisco. I especially liked entertaining friends in my hotel room by ordering us dinner from room service.

About six weeks later, back at work, the payroll queen who also did all of the accounts receivables/payables came into my office with a refund check from the NLP folks. She didn't know why they had sent it and asked if I had actually attended the workshop. Truthfully, I had. But I didn't tell her they had asked me to leave. I told her that they recognized our CEO had spent so much money with NLP they wanted to show their thanks by letting me attend for free. She believed me. After all, reality is what you say it is according to the NLP "science."

So much for dealing with the flow and glow crowd. No doubt the majority of the New Agers are completely full of shit. However, I do practice yoga, transcendental meditation, and some other stuff New Agers have embraced. But I was doing those things long before they became identified with any particular movement.

Flow and glow, flow and glow . . . and good luck with that.