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dmilker: Hi all,
Been checkin this sight out for about a week or 2. Been learning a lot. Im not a card carrying member- 7.25 X ?- but I have a fascination with all pretty dicks, big or small. I've learned more about the down side of largeness especially from the accounts of adolescence. It seems I mostly imagined the advantages.
I accidentally e-mailed Malorkus with compliments re: his photos. Only to find that they weren't of him. I would like to give Dooky(Is that his name)his due, but I can't find him in the members file and he doesn't post his e-mail in his bio. Anybody know if he's still a member? Maybe he'll read this. Anyhow, thanks for the insights and all. Special thanks to the "big" guys who like to show what they got when they're out and about. I suppose this is rather superficial, but I love checkin' out good lookin' guys with big packages ;o). I can't say I'd be as uninhibited, but I enjoy it when others are. Later, guys and girls

 

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dmilker: I found dooky on another web sight- more hot pics. I'll send my compliments where they belong. I do have another question. I didn't ask it on my first post 'cause it was gettin' to long already. I wanna know how many of you str8 guys out there have let a guy go down on you. How did you feel about it afterwards. Also a question for str8 and bi guys. What differences, if any, have you noticed between male givers and female givers-I ask this in regard to attitude, talent, aggresivness etc. Does anyone out there agree that if a str8 guy recieves head from another guy too many times he has to trade in his str8 card for a bi card. How many time is too many. Thanks.

 

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blak9: Once

 

[D_Martin van Burden]

By no means do I want to set preconceptions for differences in fellatio among the sexes, but my experience has shown that men are more willing and able to take on the size. It's more than an issue of men having bigger mouths and an idea of what feels good to another guy. Men haven't nearly the apprehension in taking one -- and in a strange way, I don't have to be as sensitive to his needs as opposed to hers. While coaxing her to just take it in her hand, the man's more prepared to swallow the fucker whole, get streaked with prejizz, and all that rot.

 

[jonb]

Not at all, blak9. If so, bisexuals are the majority, according to the Kinsey report. There's not some magic number; theoretically, Dee could be str8 or bi, depending on how you look at it.

And then there's a matter of culture. Most famous is Japan's "yaoi" (Yanma nashi, ochi nashi, imi nashi, or "No climax, no purpose, no meaning.") subculture, which consists of women writing manga (comics) about gay sex.

Less pornographic methods include Polynesian transgenderism. (Let me tell you about my friend Huhana. Though gay, she does have a son.) Also, transgenderism is common in Pueblo cultures. And plains cultures too.

I'd talk about it more, but I think Marko wants to conserve bandwidth, so here's a link:

http://www.geocities.com/angryindian/pagegay.html

 

[D_Martin van Burden]

"Once" is one time too many, eh?

Let's talk about a phenomenon called situational bisexuality, a term used loosely to describe the transience of sexuality and its labels when impacted with certain life situations. One common, but often debated, example includes adolescence and the same-sex exploration that most young men and women experience. Or, in a more pointed case, the homosexual activities among imprisoned men occur in a matrix of incarceration, domination and control, and intimidation. So, in other words, if Bubba pins Luke against the wall and demands to fuck him... perhaps because he has overstepped his boundaries, being the new inmate and all... then what?

Upon leaving the prison, Bubba lives his life "normally," fucking women at his own whim. If asked in confidence, he'd probably lie. "No, I'm not a faggot," he might say. But he did nail that dude in the porker, right? Is it because he's a burly guy who was the assertive and dominate partner that he can merely chalk it up to heresay, nothing, or as a sign of his awesome virility?

Granted, very few of us will probably live an experience similar to Bubba's and Luke's, but it does raise the interesting question. DMilker was looking for delineations -- the "how many times" it takes for someone to "turn" non-straight. And if you ask me personally, I think anyone who isn't a Kinsey Zero will quickly inform you that sexuality is so much more fluid than that...

And if that weren't the case, well damn, as urban gay myth goes, I'd get my toaster by now... probably even a hand mixer or a blender or somethin'.

 

[B_DoubleMeatWhopper]

Here's my take on the question; I can only talk from my experience. Getting a blow job from a dude does not make a man gay. I'm not one of the many gay men around that gets his kicks out of picking up straight men. Actually, on the whole I prefer sex with other gay or bi dudes because they always reciprocate. However, I have been the big experiment to a considerable number of straight guys. They hear that gay men give better head than chicks (a logical conclusion) and they want to find out. They are not sexually attracted to men or to men's penes, but a well-performed knob job feels good regardless of the sex of the person administering it. He's got a hot, wet mouth sliding up and down his joystick ... of course he's going to enjoy it! Occasionally a straight man might return the favour simply as a courtesy, but I wouldn't hold my breath on it. After it's all over, he concludes that men actually do give better head, but the gay scene is just not his thing. He's had his walk on the wild side and still comes out of it a heterosexual. At least that's what I've seen.

 

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dmilker: This question presuposes the assumption that a guy who guy who gets blown by other guys more than a few times is likely arranging circumstances to end in the desired result, or in short pursuing gay blow jobs. My assumption is that pursuit is the force that throws one to either end of the gay-bi-str8 spectrum. It's one thing to have a guys mouth fall on your dick and another to chase 'em down, or is it? If a person is considered right in the middle of the continuum because he or she generally pursues an equal # of guys and gals, would this criterian not also apply to folks on either end of the continuum? Or is it the particular sex act that qualifies a person as more gay-bi-str8? Do certain sex acts imply a persons commitment to a specific orientation?

 

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blak9: Let me elaborate:

If a consenting adult knowingly participates in sexual activity with another member of the same sex then that person has had a homosexual experience.

Not that there's anything wrong with that (To each his own, right?)

Of course, this does not apply to the rape of men (or women) in prison (as this is not consensual) or the actions of sexual preditors against children (also not consensual) or any other uncontrollable situation.
And thanks for the knowledge about different cultures, jonb.

Just my two cents.

 

[D_Martin van Burden]

If the "consenting adult" is in fact the adult who's decided to ram said person to the tune of his own whim, by what you've stated, then it wouldn't indicate the consensual status of the recipient.

Furthermore, I gave a rather grim example of m/m relations in jail; it isn't too strange to find two men "bond" in certain conditions and express that through sexual intercourse, not only as a means of release but also to affirm protection/friendship from other threatening persons in the jail subsociety.

 

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blak9: OK, My bad.

If two consenting adults of the same sex knowingly engage in sexual activity then they have had a homosexual experience.

Not that there's anything wrong with that (Different strokes for different folks.)

If someone had to force himself onto another person then it is most obviously not consensual...
Wait, after re-reading your post I think we may be saying the same thing.

 

[B_DoubleMeatWhopper]

If two consenting adults of the same sex knowingly engage in sexual activity then they have had a homosexual experience

True, but "to have a homosexual experience" and "to be homosexual" are not the same thing. I have known gay men that have engaged in, and even sought out, sex with women. The experience did not negate their homosexuality. Homosexual is a noun and an adjective, not a verb. It's about our minds, not about what we do sexually.

 

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blak9: I'm not trying to be a prick or rebuttal all the time but I don't understand how you could have a homosexual experience and not be homosexual. Maybe its a regional thing. Where I'm from (the South) if you actively seek out someone of the same sex for any type of sexual relationship, then you are homosexual.

Again, maybe its different where you're from

...my last post on this topic.

 

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Tightie: OK, here's a chick's point of view...

First off, I may *think* I give great head, but I know from experience that men give better head to men, just the same as women do a waaaaay better job of going down on women. 'Nuff said there.

So onto the whole "how many tiimes before you are gay" things goes, I think the only definition that matters is your own. Until you are exlusively one or the other, and then it's pretty clear.

I like to swing both ways from a tree, but haven't been with a woman in a long time (damned marriage vows and all ), but even when I was bedding down with chicks regularly, I didn't categorize myself either way.

I agree with whoever it was that said sexuality is fluid and personally, I can be sexually attracted to people of either sex. I think it's deeper than that for me.

But then again, I get turned on by some really different stuff, so my opinion shouldn't count for much. ;D

 

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DoubleDigitDick: Well said, Daisy.

I think some (but not all) men can pick up on how to give head better because they can relate to what they like. Just like with women (in general) knowing more about how to lick another woman better than most men.

Perhaps the best way for a woman to find out how to give head better is to ask a gay or bi man. Luckily, being bi and being around bi women a lot, I only had to ask about their techniques for kissing the lower lips. (Being in a 3some once with 2 women, I got a direct lesson on how to do with I and another women kissing our mutual girlfriend.)

 

[D_Martin van Burden]

[quote author=blak9 link=board=meetgreet;num=1034545281;start=0#12 date=10/17/02 at 09:20:10]Maybe its a regional thing. Where I'm from (the South) if you actively seek out someone of the same sex for any type of sexual relationship, then you are homosexual.[/quote]

Don't feel bad. I'm not calling you narrow-minded; you, after all, are a social product of the environment in which you live, and if your learned meanings of homosexuality derive from involving yourself in those type of experiences, so be it.

Being that guy who's had more than enough talks on what it's like to be not-so-straight, the biggest barrier to overcome is that limited, taught knowledge. Society pigeonholes sexuality into poles: straight OR gay, no middles, no real opportunities. If you're not the standardized conception of straight (whether man or woman), you're gay. End of story. And that's really not the case -- since I'm one of MANY who aren't to be classified in such a black-and-white manner.

You're educating yourself. That's a hell of a lot more than I can say for most narrow-minded people out there.

 

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meathose10: If a guy's eager enough I'll let him throat me. Truth be told i think men are better at suckjobs - they're athletic about it or something , and their esophaguses are bigger. But I like it from a woman better, if she can get her mouth around me. I like to reach down and play with her tits , stroke her hair and so on. Men just sort of tackle it like sports.

 

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cobeardad: I think that, as usual, DMW has the right idea. Having a homosexual (adjective) expereince does not make a person a homosexual (noun). Homosexulaity is much broader than anatomical acts. It includes being predominantly physically and emotionally attracted to the same sex. (I won't say same gender, because that really opens up a can of worms.) One can even be a homosexual without having sex, simply by being predominantly attracted to..., etc.

Now the difference between homosexual and gay, that's another story. Gay is culturally defined, but let's not go there.

 

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jccs: The dictionary definition of a homosexual is somebody who is attracted to and has sexual relationships with members of the same sex,which I don't think many people would argue with.But as I think,most people know there are very few people who have never ever been attracted to a person of the same sex.So you have to say that by that definition most people are homosexuals in thought if not in deed.
It still doesnt work if you redefine a homosexual as someone who exclusivly has sex with people of the same sex,because thereare lots of people who would say that thay are homosexual who have had sex with people of the opposite sex.
So I really don't know the answer to your question I just try to avoid labling people.

 

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norseman: I've gotten very tired of a binary world. Why must it be on or off, black or white, gay or hetero ? In a world in search of labels, the only one I could be comfortable with is "bi"-sexual. If one must have a label for one's sexualtity, this is the only one that encompasses the shades of gray. I think sexuality is, and should be a very fluid thing (no, not necessarily THAT kind of fluid...). For example: when an old friend and I were hanging out sitting in and around my hot tub one evening, just casually talking about whatever and he reached over and sucked down my dick, saying "I've dreamed about this for a long time". I was amazed, flattered and aroused. Was I "gay"? for that moment in time. HELL YES.(And yes, I did reciprocate. Seemed only fair.) Now, I'm not ready to go out and find some guy and start choosing drapes.

For me, I also find that the men/women sexual experiences are incredibly different. I've never "made love" with a guy. I've "had sex" (intense sex) with guys. I've "made love" with a woman. Each type of experience has left me enormously satisfied, but the experiences for me are very different.

I believe they'd be a lot less hatred (tho perhaps a lot more confusion...) if we were all a lot more open to the realm of possibilities in our sexualities.

Norseman