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"New Orleans descends into Africa-like Savagery"
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Personally I don't give a company fuck about looting, what is troubling are the reports of gunmen shooting at rescue workers at a hospital, firing at national guardsmen repairing a levee, and the reports of wide spread raping around the Super Dome. Those seem like legit things to come unglued about to me. That in no way implys that I don't feel terribly for the estimated in excess of 10,000 people dead in New Orleans, and the hundreds dead in Mississippi. You see, most people cane do both at the same time.
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Kink,
you do have a point. But you must realize these are bad folks down there in New Orleans. Some are gay, (horrors), some are very poor, (shame on them) some didn't have cars to get out of town, (They should have put money aside and bought one) and some were very ill. (They are going to die anyway). Meanwhile are dear Walton friends are upon heavy times. Growing older they are having to split the weath among more and more family members. Don't you understand that only being worth several billion dollars a piece that they are having a tough, tough, time?
Personally, a fund needs to be set up to help the Waltons recover from this terrible, terriible loss and the loss of DVD players that are no longer saleable being looted from their store down there in New Orleans. But that little bakery on St. Charles Ave. is just a ma and pa store and they voted Democratic in the last election. They should have had flood insurance. Bad mistake on their part. They will just have to start over. I know they are in their early sixties. Not our fault.
This is very true, London has never flooded quite like that but back in the 80's we built the Thames barrier which regulates water levels on the Thames to make sure that we will never flood even with rising sea levels
A lot of people forget that America is a very young country and haven't yet learnt the lessons that most European countries did hundreds of years ago
I think you'll now see the US acting and putting these preventative measures into place
As for the race issue, I think it's more likely to be related to education and income. It is true that this kind of thing would never happen in one of the richer counties in Europe (The British trying to be out of control would be funny, the looters would probably leave IOU's in the till - think Ned Flanders) but this kind of behavior is possible in the poorer, less educated parts of Europe like the former East Germany. I recently read that the murder rate of babies by their parents is 600% greater in the east rather than in the former West Germany. Just one example of how being poor and uneducated affects behaviour
I just hope that in the media age we live in there will be enough video footage of the looters to catch most of themall the looters that we will
Well, if it was possible to declare war on the Weather, then this crisis would have been over AGES AGO.
Anyway, as for the Londoner thing, well, ever heard of football hooligans? London is not the city of old buildings and posh business people. It's an organic mess of people and cultures.
Heck, if there was looting, it'd be some damn GOOD looting, I think I'd want myself a 50" plasma TV.
Anyway, as for the Londoner thing, well, ever heard of football hooligans? London is not the city of old buildings and posh business people. It's an organic mess of people and cultures.
Heck, if there was looting, it'd be some damn GOOD looting, I think I'd want myself a 50" plasma TV.
We can't change the way we live our lives. That's exactly what the hurricanes want. Show your backbone and resolve and argue like you normally would. We can't let the hurricanes win. Hurricanes hate our freedom.
I have lived and worked here for over 20 years so I know a little of what I'm talking about.
I'm also a Millwall supporter so know about hooliganism - I have seen great moments of kindness and consideration from hooligans towards people in need. I have also seen petrol bombs thrown at police.
You have to remember that most people have limits, these guys will happily engage in armed combat with police or opposition supporters but they would never attack the elderly or under age. This is what is happening in New Orleans
When the chips are down people in London have always shown their strength in the face of adversity regardless of race - some call it the blitz spirit
p.s. London is the city of old buildings, my local boozer was built in the 16th century as an example
Perhaps, the differences in the responses between Brits in war and adversity and the chaos in New Orleans are related to leadership and economic class. In New Orleans much of the corporate, social, and political structure adhered to the mandatory evacuation; during the blitz these leaders remained [think Queen Mary tip-toeing through the rubble].
The ones remaining in NOLA were largely the poor and infirm. How could someone with less than $100 dollars adequately gather the food, water, medical supplies ... whatever to survive the storm and for a couple of days until help arrives, much less a week in a flood condition without shelter.
I do not condone the killings or violence; but in part, the lack of planning and failure to execute by FEMA and other governmental agencies helped to create conditions for looting and robbery. Would I have put a brick through a storefront if I was in NOLA on September 3, and I was running short of water? Oh yea! Would I consider myself a savage? Nah! A survivor! But then, I am a WASP.
The LA Times has a lead article, "Why FEMA was MIA."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/na...-home-headlines
It does not go into the details of the idiot who is the head of FEMA. Relevant experience? A college friend of a former FEMA head, a Bush campaign worker, and the incompetent [board asked for his resignation] head of the Arabian Horse Juges' Association [or something like that]. Yea, I was impressed by his credentials, too.
This is the guy that said three days after Katrina devastated the Gulf Coast that everything was under control, and the President assured that an Alabama audience late last week that his FEMA Director was doing a fine job.
jay
The ones remaining in NOLA were largely the poor and infirm. How could someone with less than $100 dollars adequately gather the food, water, medical supplies ... whatever to survive the storm and for a couple of days until help arrives, much less a week in a flood condition without shelter.
I do not condone the killings or violence; but in part, the lack of planning and failure to execute by FEMA and other governmental agencies helped to create conditions for looting and robbery. Would I have put a brick through a storefront if I was in NOLA on September 3, and I was running short of water? Oh yea! Would I consider myself a savage? Nah! A survivor! But then, I am a WASP.
The LA Times has a lead article, "Why FEMA was MIA."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/na...-home-headlines
It does not go into the details of the idiot who is the head of FEMA. Relevant experience? A college friend of a former FEMA head, a Bush campaign worker, and the incompetent [board asked for his resignation] head of the Arabian Horse Juges' Association [or something like that]. Yea, I was impressed by his credentials, too.
This is the guy that said three days after Katrina devastated the Gulf Coast that everything was under control, and the President assured that an Alabama audience late last week that his FEMA Director was doing a fine job.
jay
Ever thought that "everyone" might be right, horrible crimes occur in all countries with high levels of adult illiteracy, whether they are black or white. It just so happens that most poor countries are black
I don't totally disagree with you though as I think there is a serious problem with black culture in America as gun crimes are being sold as glamourous to kids to sell a few more rap albums (happening in the UK too)
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Where did you ever get that idea? Have you been listening to Chimera?
There are many poor countries that are not black--there are poor Latino countries and there are poor white ones, too.
The sad fact is that even in rich countries, there is still a lot of poverty and illiteracy.
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Kanye West says President Bush doesn't care about black people. Jesse Jackson rhymes just about the same sentiment.
I'm not denying that discrimination exists. But does no one else see how black leaders spouting off like this only serves to perpetuate bigotry? It sustains the 'victim' status I mentioned earlier. Being a victim gives one, at some level, license to seek reparations or exact revenge. When they do just that (looting) it reaffirms a racist's view of them as lesser human beings. It's an ugly circle of self fulfilling prophesy.
Untold thousands of poor white farmers and farm workers faced similar conditions to those in New Orleans during the floods of 1993 but there was no mention of violence. A (white man controlled) media coverup? I think not. Media whores would have been unable to resist such a juicy story.
Katrina stories out of largely white and Vietnamese fishing communities describe unbelievable selflessness and bravery.
And then we have the L.A. riots of 1992...
How about the lack of indignation among the black community over the outcome of the O.J. Simpson trial? Hell, O.J.'s white in every way but skin color.
I understand that the black man has a hard row to hoe in many instances. I'm afraid though that as long as his leaders keep crying about it and as long as he keeps eating it up, he always will.
I'm not denying that discrimination exists. But does no one else see how black leaders spouting off like this only serves to perpetuate bigotry? It sustains the 'victim' status I mentioned earlier. Being a victim gives one, at some level, license to seek reparations or exact revenge. When they do just that (looting) it reaffirms a racist's view of them as lesser human beings. It's an ugly circle of self fulfilling prophesy.
Untold thousands of poor white farmers and farm workers faced similar conditions to those in New Orleans during the floods of 1993 but there was no mention of violence. A (white man controlled) media coverup? I think not. Media whores would have been unable to resist such a juicy story.
Katrina stories out of largely white and Vietnamese fishing communities describe unbelievable selflessness and bravery.
And then we have the L.A. riots of 1992...
How about the lack of indignation among the black community over the outcome of the O.J. Simpson trial? Hell, O.J.'s white in every way but skin color.
I understand that the black man has a hard row to hoe in many instances. I'm afraid though that as long as his leaders keep crying about it and as long as he keeps eating it up, he always will.
Yeah. I've seen friends and family blame the "white man" and the government for their hardships and tribulations. Bitch, the "white man" didn't put that pistol or that rock in your hand. If you sit around waiting for the "white man" to right the wrongs of black America, you'll be a cobweb clad motherfucker.
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Use of word 'refugee' to describe Katrina's displaced disputed
04:04 PM CDT on Tuesday, September 6, 2005
Jocelyn Noveck / Associated Press
NEW YORK -- What do you call people who have been driven from their homes with only the clothes on their backs, unsure if they will ever be able to return, and forced to build a new life in a strange place?
News organizations are struggling for the right word.
Many, including The Associated Press, have used "refugee" to describe those displaced by the wrath of Hurricane Katrina.
But the choice has stirred anger among some readers and other critics, particularly in the black community. They have argued that "refugee" somehow implies that the displaced storm victims, many of whom have been black, are second-class citizens -- or not even Americans.
"It is racist to call American citizens refugees," the Rev. Jesse Jackson said, visiting the Houston Astrodome on Monday...
Good God. In the midst of so much tragedy this is an issue? :banghead:
04:04 PM CDT on Tuesday, September 6, 2005
Jocelyn Noveck / Associated Press
NEW YORK -- What do you call people who have been driven from their homes with only the clothes on their backs, unsure if they will ever be able to return, and forced to build a new life in a strange place?
News organizations are struggling for the right word.
Many, including The Associated Press, have used "refugee" to describe those displaced by the wrath of Hurricane Katrina.
But the choice has stirred anger among some readers and other critics, particularly in the black community. They have argued that "refugee" somehow implies that the displaced storm victims, many of whom have been black, are second-class citizens -- or not even Americans.
"It is racist to call American citizens refugees," the Rev. Jesse Jackson said, visiting the Houston Astrodome on Monday...
Good God. In the midst of so much tragedy this is an issue? :banghead:
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Uh, well, yes it is. Considering that all the people have suffered all sorts of indigities, I think they deserve some sort of moniker other than "refugee." I've heard them called so many negative things, why can't they be called something positive that might give them a shred of dignity that they deserve?
