New stimulus package loaded with pork

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  1. B_starinvestor

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    Some things never change. Porky Pig = Gov't legislation

    Among just a few of the pork items:

    $100 million in Pennsyl. for land redevelopment for casino
    $6 million in snowmaking funds for ski resort in Minnesota
    $13 million for neon signs in Vegas
    $30 million for tennis courts
    $110 million to renovate municipal golf courses
    $6 million to heat a swimming pool in Maui
    $1.5 million to eliminate prostitution in Dayton, OH

    This is just a very small sample...possibly the single, largest load of pork in US history with this package.

    Is there a such thing as good pork? I have a hard time understanding how heating a swimming pool creates enough jobs to justify $6 million in taxpayer money.
     
  2. Industrialsize

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    I have no idea of what you speak.......1st, congress is not in session so there is NO new econ stim package.............2nd, Both Obama and Biden are on record as saying there will be NO pork in the econ stim bill.


    So what the heck are you talking about?
     
  3. D_Bob_Crotchitch

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    I will believe the no pork when I see it. We were all promised the end of most earmarks in 2006. It was a major campaign promise of the Democratic Party. Well, looky looky, we've had tons of pork. Congress uses pork to buy votes. It's how they continue to get back in office for another term. Both major parties are full of pigs.
     
  4. Rikter8

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    Actually... I just got an Email from Summit and the SEMA team:

    Please...PLEASE EVERYBODY SHOOT THIS DOWN!!!

    "Washington lawmakers are drafting a large economic stimulus package to help create jobs and rebuild infrastructure. They want to include a nationwide scrappage program which would give U.S. tax dollars to consumers who turn-in older cars to have them crushed, as a misguided attempt to spur new car sales. The lawmakers need to scrap this idea.

    The stimulus package is being drafted right now. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) wants to introduce the bill on January 6 and have it approved by Congress by January 20, so that President Obama can sign it into law after he is inaugurated."

    http://speaker.house.gov/contact/

    If you remember...California and Chevron did this back in the mid 90s. They crushed thousands of perfectly good vintage automobiles for $500 each.
    They are destroying the vintage car market, replacement parts market, and replacement steel market FORCING the production of NEW automobiles that NO ONE can afford.

    This is awful!
     
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    Last I heard, heated municipal pools were directly responsible for over 17 jobs, nationwide, although, granted, the majority of those were in maintenance.

    And you say pork is a bad thing. Really?!
     
  6. lucky8

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    there will always be pork in legislations that are passed. dem or rep, it's how politicians get things done for their local constituents. pork is here to stay
     
  7. transformer_99

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    Makes sense to me, the agenda behind it that is. I have no problem with it if they wash the debt away so that people can buy these new cars, even make them affordable. I really think the auto industry is about leasing today. They make cars you'll never own and all you do is make your monthly payment and the auto industry takes care of the rest. Unfortunately, not owning your own car leaves you very little bargaining/negotiating power when it comes to a lease. Without that leverage, the dealership steamrolls you into a payment.

    Last Jan 2008, I went to a Chevrolet/GM dealership to buy a truck. They didn't want anything to do with my trade-in. They told me it was basically worthless, so I drove away that day, drove it another month and then bought twice the vehicle for 1/2 the price from a private seller. The money I saved, I let the other vehicle go for 1/2 of the trade-in I wanted to get for it. The auto industry & their dealerships wonder why they can't sell a car, maybe they really aren't trying to sell any ?
     
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    I feel something must be done about these cars. So many of them pollute to the extreme, drain oil into the ground, use way more gas then when they were new, leach toxins into the ground as they rust apart, I kills me when someone drives a car down the street spewing so much white smoke from the exhaust you can't even see in front of you.
     
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    Deno, the few cars that you see doing this do NOT outnumber the amount of pollution being released by foundries and "Controlled" releasal of toxins.

    That's the thing. They aren't giving large enough brakes allowing the purchase of a new car.
    (Secondly who in their right mind would want one)

    It's one thing to take a car off the road because it's not emissions friendly.

    Its another to Crush it and say - Now here's your $500. Go buy a new car with a payment that you can't afford.

    By the Way...White Smoke is due to a bad head gasket/cracked block, head /intake gasket. It's vaporized water, not oil. And if it's coming out that bad, that engine won't run for very long.

    Crushing these cars is not the answer. Retiring them to be recycled for the parts is a much more viable solution.

    Seriously, stroll down to your local salvage yard and ask them if business has picked up. It has, bigtime!
    That supports the LOCAL economy, and keeps the money in the State.

    Unfortunately people that don't know much about autos and the auto hobby will never understand how much damage these types of bills do.
     
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    Most of this doesn't seem to be "pork" to me. It's so typical of a Republican to assume that handing over $700 billion to failing, corrupt big business is fine, but increasing spending on social programs is intolerable. Besides, most of this "pork" generates income and jobs.

    It pains me, but I have to agree with you. This is ridiculous.
     
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    The problems of the United States are much deeper than just a pork project.
    1. The population has become too large. Not enough jobs are being generated, and people continue to selfishly have large families.
    2. Unfortunately, some people make a career of living off the system. The WPA should have been brought back in the 60s instead of a free ride system. It would have given people job skills.
    3. There is way too much social decay related to drugs. I see deals go down in front of me every single day. The money that should be used for taking care of families is used for crack and coke.
    4. Nobody in the goverment is really willing to bite the bullet and stop the corruption and irresponsible spending. To do so would be political suicide. Let's face it, their number one goal is to be in office.
    5. The US gave away it's wealth to other nations by unfair trade agreements. This stupid stupid belief in a global economy resulted in the destruction of strong economies with high standards of living. Nobody in an expensive country can work for the pennies a day paid a person in Asia.
    6. Citizens got greedy and ran with imports until it hit home. People who are screaming about lost jobs still run to the big box stores for entertainment. They buy junk they don't need, made in countries that are bleeding us dry, and gripe that it's the government's fault.
    7. Whatever happened to being responsible for yourself? It is not my job to take care of my relatives who have lived irresponsibly their whole lives. A fool and his money are soon parted. Get out of my way you damn fool. I have many relatives that fall into that category.
    8. The US was able to stay ahead economically for decades because of innovation. With a failing education system, the brightest minds are not being trained. Businesses are suffering, and the country is going backwards. I shouldn't have to hire you to meet a quota if you are dumb as a rock.
     
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    All spending bills are loaded with pork. When congress loads up that double barreled shotgun of taxpayer money, they pull both triggers, baby. It's not a GOP thing, its not a Democrat thing, its not an Independent thing... it's a Washington thing. They've all made promises to the people that elected them and this is making good on what they were sent to Washington to do.

    Your pork, is another electorate's plight.
     
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    are you serious?
     
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    True, but that doesn't excuse $200 billion + of pork in one flipping bill. This government is appalling. Spend like a sailor on payday.
     
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    • Wow, every bank in America was a corrupt, failing business?
    • Snowmakers and neon signs aren't social programs.
    • Most of the pork lines the pockets of campaign donors.
     
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