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Discussion in 'Relationships, Discrimination, and Jealousy' started by zaphod, Jul 5, 2005.
This is an interesting new study, I think it is total BS. What do others think?
NY Times article
Agree w/you that this is BS...
Yeah, they'd have to be stupid to think that bisexuals would by default be 50/50 and anything else would be heterosexual or homosexual. That's like saying you're bi unless you're only attracted to either men or women.
I don't think you can really put sexuality into distinct categories, that it is a variable and diverse thing
Yeah this study definitely does not fit me...I mean I find guys attractive physically but definitely only get into women physically and emotionally attractive...I like kind of fooling around with guys but not into sex w/guys if you know what I mean...I enjoy sex w/women and find myself a lot more sexually open w/them...Maybe I am just strange...I don't like labels but I guess I would have to classify myself as bi-sexual which I really feel straight...I could be wrong though...
I don't think there is anybody that is 100% homosexual or 100% bisexual. The way they did the test isn't very useful, because I think there are a lot of guys who get aroused looking at pictures of penises, but have no interest in actually having sex with a man. Personally, I'm bi-celibate.
Can't say I agree with you on one point Z. If someone cannot be 100 pct gay or bi...then they can't be 100 pct straight either? I do believe there are those that are 100 pct one way or another. Its not based on clinical research, but on life experiences (and this board). Most people lean or are totally straight. I don't have a feel for what the percentages are.
The article and research are a bit too close minded to those who are bi. And I think sexuality is more than "straight, gay, bisexual". Its more scalar - like a 1 to 10 ranking. Again, no science there, just my opinion.
Getting "subjects" from gay and alternative magazines is going to skew the results versus doing a study of the general population. A good topic for a study to cover, but it was not done well.
dcwrestlefan makes a great point here...
Oops, I meant to say that nobody is 100% homosexual or 100% HETEROsexual. I think everybody is a bit bisexual.
This troubles me:
What about all the bisexual men I've talked to that like to have sex with a woman and be in a relationship with a woman, but prefer casual sex with men (and vice versa)? I would think in those cases, attraction to, say, a woman, would be based on more than just looks. I would assume things like personality, intelligence, and other non-physical qualities would have to do with a bisexual man's interest in a woman. Therefore, I'd be inclined to think such a man would be more likely to be attracted to images of men alone.
Physical arousal in and of itself is not the end all, be all litmus paper in determining a person's sexual orientation. I'm disappointed that was the focus of their study. I think they should have asked about the participants' sexual history, their relationship preferences, and how they fantasize when left to their own devices.
Sexuality is not cut and dry... It's multifaceted. Looking at a screen and gauging reactions can't give you the whole story.
...As a side note, I've never understood people that so fervently insist that bisexuals are lying. What a dumb thing to lie about. What on Earth would be the point?
I am inclined to agree with you.
I know people have died for suggesting lesser, though, so I'll shut my yap now.
I was a bit disappointed with their method of recruiting participants myself. It seems to me they got a crop of people who are already predisposed to enjoying looking at pictures of men, or they wouldn't have subscribed to the magazines in the first place.
As a bisexual guy (and a research student) this study annoys the hell outa me. As others have said--skewed smaple, small sample, flawed premise (arousal = orientation? really?)
But hey, nothing starts the morning better than being told that you don't really eixist and that you are a big fat liar. Thanks.
I agree with all that been said here. The sample size was far too small to warrant much notice.
That being said, in my own life, I've known plenty of men who identified themselves as bisexual before they "came out" to themselves and others to admit they were gay. I think this is a stepping stone in the process for a lot of gay men because being gay is such a tough thing to accept in our society. This doesn't mean bisexuals don't exist, but it certainly doesn't mean everyone who says that about themselves is telling the truth. Particularly amoung men, the pressure to be what society expects of you is strong, so admitting you're half weird is better at first than admitting you're completely weird. This tends to make people skeptical of bisexuality in general, which is unfair to all those people who truly are.
I totally can see what madame_zora is saying here...I think when I was a teen I felt confused about feelings because I really found some guys really attractive visually and really thought that meant I was gay or something but as I got a little older and really evaluated my feelings I realize that the only people I was dating and extremely attracted to were women but I still had an attraction some what for guys too that I never really acted on or feel the need to act on till a guy hit on me and curiousity hit me to act on it...Needless to say it was this eye opening experience for me and then I continued to date women which felt natural to me (hope you understand what I mean)...I don't think the curiousity will ever go away but I think I look at the individual and not the sexuality most of the time...
0 to 6 is commonly used. This same guy claimed you could spot a gay man by his speech patterns, girlfriend. Here's the fabulous history of Bailey:
Totally disagree w/that article...I have met some guys w/the deepest and most masculine voices that happen to be gay and vice versa some guys w/high pitched feminine voices that were straight...I call bullshit again here...
Agreed, total bullshit. There are some gay men who use the "gay affectation" voice, but there are plenty who just talk in their normal voice, whatever that it, whether it be high or low. Likewise plenty of str8 men have high-pitched voices, that's no indication of sexual preference.
One of the guys I work with is so freakin' feminine it's not funny. Lispy voice, limp wristed and excellent taste in decorating. He even hates sports and loves opera and ballet. He's also married with a couple of kids and a serious church-going Christian - totally straight.
And the shipper/receiver here is the total opposite. He is gay but looks, acts and talks like a bad-ass biker (methinks he's into the leather scene...).
I guess I was a bit late to the game posting about this article in another thread. Oh well. Not being bisexual I can only guess at where this study went wrong, however I would speculate that the BS started with the conclusions and not the research. I would guess that predominantly straight men who consider themselves to be bisexual genuinely feel attraction to other men but perhaps in most cases that attraction is triggered in situations other than sitting in a room looking at porn. The big mistake of these researchers seems to have been to reach their conclusions without first attempting to trigger a "genuine" sexual response in bisexual menthrough some other means. If they could have done this they could then maybe have learned something new about human sexuality rather than just reminding how sensationalist but shoddy research can get published.