New study: bisexuals are liars

[jonb]

Yeah, actually, in some cultures, a typical male bonding thing is for both of them to sleep with the same woman. Other than that, there's adolescent experimentation of course. And sacred drag queens. And just plain casual homosexuality between otherwise-heterosexual males. And of course the ancient Greeks associated it with master-apprentice relationships.

Basically, Western notions of homosexuality, that is exclusively sleeping with the same gender (whether one chooses to be monogamous or otherwise), are 'weird'.

 

[DadsAreUs]

Exactly. It is true that many gay men use the term bisexual as a transitional term or a cover (Elton john used to say he drew the line at sheep: now the line has moved to one half of his own species.) but there seems to be little incentive for straight men to lie and claim bisexuality. I would be interested to find out in what circumstances predominantly straight men feel a genuine attraction for other men. what triggers it and how is it emotionally different from what you experience with women? If we could learn how to trigger a same sex sexual response in non-gay men we might be able to uncover the real liars, the bisexual men who claim to be straight. not that I'm interested in some sort of witch hunt. It would just be interesting to know what the real numbers are.

 

[jonb]

Just chemistry, as usual. Or alcohol.

 

[madame_zora]

Originally posted by jonb@Jul 9 2005, 10:34 PM
Just chemistry, as usual. Or alcohol.

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Yeah, I just heard someone say recently that the only difference between a str8 guy and a gay guy was twelve beers. I thought it was hilarious.

 

[surferboy]

Originally posted by Pene_Negro_Grande@Jul 7 2005, 12:15 AM
Totally disagree w/that article...I have met some guys w/the deepest and most masculine voices that happen to be gay and vice versa some guys w/high pitched feminine voices that were straight...I call bullshit again here...

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Yah, I don't have fem voice. I think it's disgusting.

I don't think there is anybody that is 100% homosexual or 100% bisexual.

I know you mean heterosexual here, but like, that's not true. They say 3% of the world's population is either 100% gay or 100% straight. Women don't arouse me in any way. I don't see myself beng in a relationship with a woman. I'm 100% gay.

 

[Pene_Negro_Grande]

Originally posted by surferboy@Jul 11 2005, 10:31 AM
Women don't arouse me in any way. I don't see myself beng in a relationship with a woman. I'm 100% gay.

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Surferboy I know yourself and I came on this site around the same time and I remember you identified yourself as into guys and girls...What change for you because I know you mentioned something about chicks you have slept with...Then funny over the course of time your hetro/homo stats slowly w/from 80/20 to 100% homo...Curious as to what kind of realization you came too and why...

 

[Pene_Negro_Grande]

Originally posted by mistergrasso@Jul 9 2005, 02:21 PM
I would be interested to find out in what circumstances predominantly straight men feel a genuine attraction for other men. what triggers it and how is it emotionally different from what you experience with women? If we could learn how to trigger a same sex sexual response in non-gay men we might be able to uncover the real liars, the bisexual men who claim to be straight.

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I can only speak for myself...I identify w/ straight and not gay but maybe w/bi-sexual tendacies...I am very comfortable w/gay males in non-sexual situations and less comfortable w/gay guys in sexual situations...I actually use to work and very successful for a huge financial firm and was heavily involved in a marketing campaign targeted at gays so it was my job for business development and it was clearly understood but not stated on paper to use any tactics (seduction if needed) to get the accounts...And not to come of as completely straight...Needless to say I made a lot of money at that company and was a top producer...I know I got my issues too...We had a team of 15 guys and girls...

All my friends are straight (very metrosexual though) but are very comfortable around all gay crowds...I do not like anal sex at all...I have tried it once w/the one gay guy who was a bottom and was totally disgusted and definitely don't have the desire of anyone in my arse...All other the times have just been oral and heavy petting...I have probably had about 7 hook up w/guys and all like one night stands...All were when I was drunk or under some sort of other influences...6 were w/other straight guys and once w/a gay guy...It was never my intention or myself looking for a guy and I have never initiated the move...

With the straight guys really like something from the movies - we are drunk, usually one of us too drunk to drive share a cab or something back to my place or theirs and somewhere between talking a guy kisses me and one thing leds to another...I think it is curiousity on these guys side because I know that is what was on my mind the first time...I mean I was there doing it and couldn't believe I was doing it like I am watching myself in a movie...It is always an awkward moment when the alcohol wears off and we never discuss it again...2 of these guys are pretty good friends of mine so we still talk to each other and hang out w/each other like it never happened...Another guy (who was a friend too) was so freaked out afterwards and told me it was just the alcohol and we are not gay but ended up getting religious in the following months and moved to another state w/o telling anyone and I made sure to talk to him and let him know he could talk to me and there is nothing wrong w/what we did...I should have not acted on that one because I knew he had emotional issues already so I feel really bad and think about him from time to time...And another straight guy was this really cool guy I met in a club and we bonded pretty well...We got pretty trashed and did a ecstasy pill that night and we ended up in a cab together since he lived near my friend's place where my car was parked and some how ended up in my friend's guest room and this guy really pushed up hard like pushing me on the bed and was really passionate and hot (and honestly can say this is probably the only time I was really turned on in bed by a guy)...I mean the full on making out w/a guy thing - only turn off is he wanted me to fuck him...Most of the guys I ever was attracted to I soon realize it was their personality and mind that I was attracted to because I usually end up being really good friends w/these people and the sexual attraction is gone pretty soon after hanging out w/them but the friendship continues to this day...

Emotionally I only attracted women and sexually only like intercourse w/women and only feel full sexaully open w/women...And I only have a desire for companionship and dating women and I only approach women for dates...Guys have only been something sexually for me or work related especially if I am horny and someone makes a strong move on me...Like I said I felt many times that I put myself in a situation and then feel obligated to perform like I deserve this for putting myself in that situation...I actually think I was trying to count the other day and probably been w/about 35 women so my stats are 35 women/7 men...And I haven't been w/guy since 1/03...I am not embarrassed about anything I have done and if a person asks the right questions I have no problem telling the truth...I have often thought that I must be gay for some of the things I have done but then I joke to myself that I can't be because I like the taste of pussy too much to be gay (LOL)...

 

[Lex]

Originally posted by mistergrasso@Jul 9 2005, 02:21 PM
Exactly. It is true that many gay men use the term bisexual as a transitional term or a cover (Elton john used to say he drew the line at sheep: now the line has moved to one half of his own species.) but there seems to be little incentive for straight men to lie and claim bisexuality. I would be interested to find out in what circumstances predominantly straight men feel a genuine attraction for other men. what triggers it and how is it emotionally different from what you experience with women? If we could learn how to trigger a same sex sexual response in non-gay men we might be able to uncover the real liars, the bisexual men who claim to be straight. not that I'm interested in some sort of witch hunt. It would just be interesting to know what the real numbers are.

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I'm bisexual. My attractions to men are not fundamentally different than my attractions to women. That is to say--If I like a guy (or a girl) i'm sure that the feeling of lust I have is the same. Now, what I want to DO With that lust is differnent (in some cases--blow him) or the same in others (have him/her blow me, fuck him/her).

I dunno that you can call bisexual liars. If I say I am attracted to women--I am not lying. If I say I am attracted to men, I am not lying. If you put Jessica Alba in front of me--I will respond. If you put Michael Chiklis in fron tof me-I will respond. I find BOTH of them to be HOTTER THAN HELL. If I like a woman, it is because she embodies many feminine qualitities thjat I like, same for a man, only masculine qualitities.

I love my wife. I love my BF. Emotionally--this is no different. They both mean the world to me and I would want no harm to befall either of them. I LOVE them. They compliment me. I want to be with them. How is love for one different than for the other?

I think the fallacy in these "tests/studies" is that they presume some difference that does not exist. Attraction is attraction--male or female. It's fundamentally the same.

 

[Pene_Negro_Grande]

Originally posted by Lex@Jul 11 2005, 08:58 PM
If you put Jessica Able in front of me--I will respond. If you put Michael Chiklis in fron tof me-I will respond. I find BOTH of them to be HOTTER THAN HELL.

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Well if you like both of them - I hope you go see the Fantastic Four movie because you can get your fill of them both in the movie...Plus that movie was really good...

 

[jonb]

Ecstasy. Add that to my "make anyone bi" list. Of course, it makes them "bi" in more ways than one; the extra serotonin and dopamine are the exact same brain chemicals in a manic episode.

This is sex. We make it out to be more complicated than it should be.

 

[steve319]

Originally posted by jonb@Jul 11 2005, 10:02 PM
Ecstasy. Add that to my "make anyone bi" list.

Any desperate excuse in a storm, I suppose.

Sad what our society does to us and the rationalizations we feel forced to make.

 

[jonb]

It was a joke. But it makes you another kind of "bi": High serotonin levels are typical of manic episodes.

As a rule, stimulants are a bad idea for sex. After you take them, your sex life when not on stimulants is ruined.

 

[Pene_Negro_Grande]

Funny and true...God I can't tell you how many straight males have tried to kiss me and ripe my clothes off when on that little pill...

 

[Lex]

I DID see Fantastic Four, Pene.

Alba in skin tight spandex, Chiklis without a shirt...WOOF~!!

 

[Pene_Negro_Grande]

Originally posted by Lex@Jul 12 2005, 05:19 AM
I DID see Fantastic Four, Pene.

Alba in skin tight spandex, Chiklis without a shirt...WOOF~!!

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I always thought Jessica Alba was hot since the Dark Angel days but in that movie - WOW...I was having diviant thoughts watching that movie...

 

[steve319]

Originally posted by jonb@Jul 12 2005, 12:09 AM
It was a joke.

Got it. I knew you were equating it with another "excuse" we are tricked into thinking we should make in order to explain away bi encounters.

My sarcasm sensor was picking up your wavelength, jon.

 

[absinthium]

Originally posted by jonb@Jul 11 2005, 10:02 PM
Ecstasy. Add that to my "make anyone bi" list. Of course, it makes them "bi" in more ways than one; the extra serotonin and dopamine are the exact same brain chemicals in a manic episode.

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That's really interesting... I'd never heard that before.
I'd love to read about the long-term emotional effects on users of the drug. If you you know of a good, reliable source for such information, please share!

 

[Peter Wood]

I just stepped in this discussion at this point. Why on earth do we always have to put labels on people? Is it because we feel more safe?
Most people in our society don't accept homosexual of lesbian behavior. Do we need labels sothat we know who is "good" or "bad" company?

Most of the time I have heterosexual feelings, but there are also moments these feelings turn into homosexual. I'm just a guy who likes people and because I married a woman I have to be labelled with STRAIGHT. I know I'm not that. Should I get the label GAY as soon as I lay my eyes on a guy? I know that I'm not that too. Rests BISEXUAL. But that isn't true either.

I hate these labels...!

 

[Pene_Negro_Grande]

I hate labels too and I alway like what nixxy said on here a long time ago which I use now...I am not straight, gay, or bi-sexual - I am just sexual...Words I like to live by now...Thanks surferboy...