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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(GottaBigOne @ Nov 7 2005, 06:23 PM) [post=358990]Quoted post[/post]</div><div class='quotemain'>
That was not my point dilz, i said that because he took offense to something you said, but completely disregarded it and said that no matter what peoples differences are he would still help them, maybe thats not what he meant, but thats what i took it as. Helping someone in need should be based on their overall value as a person, disagreements on philosophy does not render a person totally useless, if i thought my neice was an overall good person then i would help her, point in fact my sister is going through a lot of trouble currently and I do not feel the need to help her because she has put her self in that place by her own decisions, stupid decisions i might add. It is not my responsibility to help her, but i could choose to if i wanted.
I think it would morally reprehesnible to help a person that is totally devoid of virtue.
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The "if they were in the gutter" is of course a symbolic term. I originally meant they were they because they are in the gutter thorugh no fualt of themselves, literaly or symbolically having been assulted and all that goes with it. I don't agree with the Dr. but if he called my house and said that his car had broken down just a few miles from my house and he didn't know who he should call. Yeah, I would do what I could to get him back on the road and on to his distination. I wouldn't say. Oh, we don't agree on abortion. Sorry pal. Here is the number of the lcoal Republican Party. Try them. I won't help you because I don't like you.
But to Gotabigone's situation wiht his sister. Oh I know too much about that. Yes we should be compassinate. Yes we should do what we can to bring a person back into being a decent person with character. But sometimes that does call for tough love. Sometimes to bail the person out, just enables them to even sink furhter and further into the "gutter" I have a similar situation. You can't help people who are unwilling to help themselves.
Having said that, I would still do what I could to change his or her behavior to one of a productive kind rather that one that just is a parasite on everyone else, especially if it were a person that I was close to and loved as a friend or family.
Then there is the situation of "Adolf Hitler" In this case "Adolf" is a symbol for someone today who is of the same character and has to a degree done as much to destroy and kill other people's lives. Tough call. Freddie himself would want to spit on the "Adolph". Kick him in the ass. Jesus is the founder of my religion. He was angry and turned over the money tables in the temple and kicked the swindlers out of the temple. Got him on a cross too. The point is that Jesus was very compassionate to those making an effort to improve their lot, willing to confess what they had done wrong and made a pledge to improve behavior. Jesus was not that kind to those who were "Adlolphs" and and enjoyed being "Adolphs" and planned to continue being "Adolphs" So I would play that by ear. If the guy is a plain out ass hole and plans one staying one, yeah I can walk step by step wtih Gotabigone right passed the gutter and leave the jackass there.
So I understand where Gotabigone is coming from. His point is very valid and sometimes what he is saying is what we have to do. But I get no joy at all in watching on the sidelines someone I love slowly sliding down further into the gutter. But the person has to make some effort to get out of the gutter for any effort on our part to be worth anything at all.
Hope this makes some sense and is worded OK. I am having a terrible time with my eyes tonight. I am doing the best I can.
That was not my point dilz, i said that because he took offense to something you said, but completely disregarded it and said that no matter what peoples differences are he would still help them, maybe thats not what he meant, but thats what i took it as. Helping someone in need should be based on their overall value as a person, disagreements on philosophy does not render a person totally useless, if i thought my neice was an overall good person then i would help her, point in fact my sister is going through a lot of trouble currently and I do not feel the need to help her because she has put her self in that place by her own decisions, stupid decisions i might add. It is not my responsibility to help her, but i could choose to if i wanted.
I think it would morally reprehesnible to help a person that is totally devoid of virtue.
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The "if they were in the gutter" is of course a symbolic term. I originally meant they were they because they are in the gutter thorugh no fualt of themselves, literaly or symbolically having been assulted and all that goes with it. I don't agree with the Dr. but if he called my house and said that his car had broken down just a few miles from my house and he didn't know who he should call. Yeah, I would do what I could to get him back on the road and on to his distination. I wouldn't say. Oh, we don't agree on abortion. Sorry pal. Here is the number of the lcoal Republican Party. Try them. I won't help you because I don't like you.
But to Gotabigone's situation wiht his sister. Oh I know too much about that. Yes we should be compassinate. Yes we should do what we can to bring a person back into being a decent person with character. But sometimes that does call for tough love. Sometimes to bail the person out, just enables them to even sink furhter and further into the "gutter" I have a similar situation. You can't help people who are unwilling to help themselves.
Having said that, I would still do what I could to change his or her behavior to one of a productive kind rather that one that just is a parasite on everyone else, especially if it were a person that I was close to and loved as a friend or family.
Then there is the situation of "Adolf Hitler" In this case "Adolf" is a symbol for someone today who is of the same character and has to a degree done as much to destroy and kill other people's lives. Tough call. Freddie himself would want to spit on the "Adolph". Kick him in the ass. Jesus is the founder of my religion. He was angry and turned over the money tables in the temple and kicked the swindlers out of the temple. Got him on a cross too. The point is that Jesus was very compassionate to those making an effort to improve their lot, willing to confess what they had done wrong and made a pledge to improve behavior. Jesus was not that kind to those who were "Adlolphs" and and enjoyed being "Adolphs" and planned to continue being "Adolphs" So I would play that by ear. If the guy is a plain out ass hole and plans one staying one, yeah I can walk step by step wtih Gotabigone right passed the gutter and leave the jackass there.
So I understand where Gotabigone is coming from. His point is very valid and sometimes what he is saying is what we have to do. But I get no joy at all in watching on the sidelines someone I love slowly sliding down further into the gutter. But the person has to make some effort to get out of the gutter for any effort on our part to be worth anything at all.
Hope this makes some sense and is worded OK. I am having a terrible time with my eyes tonight. I am doing the best I can.