new trial on evolution vs creationism in schools

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Originally posted by Freddie53+Oct 2 2005, 10:38 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Freddie53 &#064; Oct 2 2005, 10:38 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by madame_zora@Oct 1 2005, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Dr Rock@Oct 1 2005, 08:55 PM
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Jana, many of us are upset knowing that at his young age the new Chief Justice will be sitting on his throne the rest of our lives.
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not if somebody smashes an icepick through his skull he won&#39;t
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*scrounges in pocket for money to fly Dr. Rock to the states*
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Or we could buy the chief justice a condo in Antarctica as a permanent residence with immediate retirement beneifits.
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I&#39;d like to see him contract AIDS and then see how quickly we can come up with a cure.
 

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I&#39;d imagine that those cases probably make up about 50% of the AIDS population in Africa, which is very sad. Yes, it would be nice to see a cure for those people who were raped or born with it.

I was more refering to, though not specific enough in the first post, the people who practice unsafe sex and risky drug use. On those people, I have no pity.
 

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Originally posted by SUMYUNGUY@Oct 3 2005, 12:35 PM
I was more refering to, though not specific enough in the first post, the people who practice unsafe sex and risky drug use. On those people, I have no pity.
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Right, because we all know that drugs are addictive and addiction is a disease. So we should have NO empathy for addicts (sick, diseased individuals) who contract other diseases (HIV, HEP-C or B, etc.) while sturggling in the quagmire of addiction.

You&#39;re an asshole. And a short-sighted one at that. Sad. Truly.
 

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Originally posted by SUMYUNGUY@Oct 3 2005, 07:18 PM
There you go on your victim kick again, Lex.

Drug addiction is the most easily avoided "disease" on the planet.
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I would need to see your medical credentials before your uninformed opinion would make an ounce of difference.

Sure, all those "low lifes" were asking for it, right? What a fucktard.
 

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If we threw out everyone who ever made a poor choice, I&#39;m afraid we&#39;d ALL be thrown out (you included). Or did you neglect to carry your own logic through to its natural endpoint?


One day, after the world has kicked the shit out of you and your family, friends and neighbors, I hope that you can reflect on these threads with more hindsight than your current foresight allows. Seriously.
 

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Mr. Zora, I&#39;m not sure if them "low lifes" asked for "it" or not. I doubt, however, that they were forced into the choice they made. Are you saying they were?


Lex, where are we throwing these people who made a bad choice? Who brought up a simple poor choice? Would you have me believe that you think diabetes is the same thing as drug addiction? Surely, one would think that, given the chance, a man would probably opt out of diabetes, right?

And, the world deals out all sorts of punishment. Some people lie there and cry about how bad they have it and refuse to better themselves, while others improve their situation and make the best out of what they can.
 

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Oh, I&#39;d be the last one to say that people shouldn&#39;t make the best of their situation, we agree there.

There are many "diseases" that people have some input into contracting, that doesn&#39;t (in my opinion) negate their being deserving of help. If a smoker gets cancer, he still needs medical treatment. If a person eats poorly their whole life and gets diabetes, they still need help. Some of these illnesses are somewhat hereditary, so if they are born with a predisposition to them, they have less influence on whether they will contract that disease than the average person. Such is true of addiction. Those who have a genetic predisposition are far more likely to become addicted to a substance than those who are not. Do we really believe that ANYONE would choose that? People don&#39;t, nay CAN&#39;T "become" an alcoholic. They can drink too much, sure. They can have car wrecks from driving drunk, but the actual disease is a low seretonin level, which is the same issue primarily with clinical depression. How can someone choose where their seretonin level is? Yes, such a person could choose to never drink or use chemicals, but chances are they don&#39;t know this about themselves until AFTER they have already begun using, following their natural urges to correct the imbalance.

HIV is a scourge on the world, but even moreso is our nation&#39;s reaction to it. It&#39;s not that we can&#39;t cure diseases, it&#39;s that we won&#39;t. Shameful at best. We allow these drug companies to control us at the very level of our human existance- they get to determine who lives and dies. You want to get on your moral high horse and put down promiscuous people, fine, go for it. I want to insult and rebuke everyone who has their head so far in the sand that they are unaware that the huge profits treating the symptoms only of diseases like HIV, cancer and diabetes are the very reasons cures will never be released. Likewise, safe sex will never be taught in schools NOT because of religious reasons, but because uneducated people are more likely to contract HIV and thus become a client for life. Drug companies actually PAY religious leaders like Pat Robertson to preach because guilt is good for THEIR campaigns, money. As long as we are feeling bad about ourselves, huge profits can be made on drugs like Welbutrin and Prozac. As long as men feel inadequate about their dicks, huge profits can be made on drugs like Viagra and Excite, as long as we can position the religious faction of our country into believing everyone else is a "sinner" and unworthy of the love of God, they will exterminate any goodwill between men as brothers. The reason you and I are arguing right now is because some fat guy in an office somewhere profits from the dissention. Keep people believing "right" and "left" equals "right" and "wrong", it feels good to think you&#39;re superior, doesn&#39;t it? Gives you confidence. It doesn&#39;t make it true, but it is reassuring to people who don&#39;t have their own sense of morality separate from their leaders.
 

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Originally posted by SUMYUNGUY@Oct 3 2005, 09:03 PM
Mr. Zora, I&#39;m not sure if them "low lifes" asked for "it" or not. I doubt, however, that they were forced into the choice they made.
what the fuck would you know? have you ever had problems with an addictive drug yourself? do you even know anyone who has serious problems with drug abuse?

And, the world deals out all sorts of punishment. Some people lie there and cry about how bad they have it and refuse to better themselves, while others improve their situation and make the best out of what they can.
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... whereas still others lodge their fat heads firmly up their assholes and spout cluelessly opinionated drivel over internet forums. grow the fuck up, you sad little cunt.
 

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Originally posted by SUMYUNGUY@Oct 3 2005, 11:18 AM
There you go on your victim kick again, Lex.

Drug addiction is the most easily avoided "disease" on the planet.
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Yes, just don&#39;t hang around the CIA.
 

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Originally posted by Dr Rock+Oct 3 2005, 09:05 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dr Rock &#064; Oct 3 2005, 09:05 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>what the fuck would you know? have you ever had problems with an addictive drug yourself? do you even know anyone who has serious problems with drug abuse?[/b]


Yes.

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You should know, Rock.
 

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Originally posted by madame_zora@Oct 3 2005, 05:11 PM
Oh, I&#39;d be the last one to say that people shouldn&#39;t make the best of their situation, we agree there.

There are many "diseases" that people have some input into contracting, that doesn&#39;t (in my opinion) negate their being deserving of help. If a smoker gets cancer, he still needs medical treatment. If a person eats poorly their whole life and gets diabetes, they still need help. Some of these illnesses are somewhat hereditary, so if they are born with a predisposition to them, they have less influence on whether they will contract that disease than the average person. Such is true of addiction. Those who have a genetic predisposition are far more likely to become addicted to a substance than those who are not. Do we really believe that ANYONE would choose that? People don&#39;t, nay CAN&#39;T "become" an alcoholic. They can drink too much, sure. They can have car wrecks from driving drunk, but the actual disease is a low seretonin level, which is the same issue primarily with clinical depression. How can someone choose where their seretonin level is? Yes, such a person could choose to never drink or use chemicals, but chances are they don&#39;t know this about themselves until AFTER they have already begun using, following their natural urges to correct the imbalance.

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Everything that Jana said is true.

It saddens me that we have a poster with no compassion. Not only that, but the posts seem to be filled with an hate filled spirit. There is a quote that says, "There I go except by the grace of God." It simply means that just one little turn in our lives it could be "us" instead of "them" that could be in that "ditch" overdosed.

The earlier post that said, and I am paraprhasing here, that only the ones that were born with aids or got aids innocently were deserving of medical help. That is tantamount to "murder" in our souls.

I know that many here are not Christians and aren&#39;t sympathetic toward the Christian religion. But for those who are Christians or who are sympathic toward the Christian reliigion, Jesus said, "If you have done it to the least of these my brethren you have done it unto me." So to hate aids victims who are destitute and dying is to hate Jesus, and to Christians to hate God himself.

I am not going to pass judgement another person&#39;s soul. To pass judgement means to sentence a person for what they have done wrong. I have no desire to be in the sentencing business and it is not my job to do so. But I will tell what Jesus said. As a practicing Christian, Jesus&#39;s words are at the center of what I believe.
 

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Probably wish they were at the centre of a few more. Anyway, Smoking&#39;s the most addictive drug there is and most people "addicted" pay huge taxes and don&#39;t live long enough to get any benefit from pension schemes.

Now if only they could market coke like that, there&#39;d be no problem.*

*Cynicalism detected.
 

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Originally posted by ORCABOMBER@Oct 4 2005, 01:15 PM
Probably wish they were at the centre of a few more. Anyway, Smoking&#39;s the most addictive drug there is and most people "addicted" pay huge taxes and don&#39;t live long enough to get any benefit from pension schemes.

Now if only they could market coke like that, there&#39;d be no problem.*

*Cynicalism detected.
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I tried snorting Coke but the carbonation tickled my nose.