News Article For The Uncut!!

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  1. rames

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    China not ready for circumcision to stop AIDS
    Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:37 PM ET



    By Ben Blanchard
    BEIJING (Reuters) - China is still looking at evidence that male circumcision can play an important role in fighting the spread of AIDS and is not currently considering such a campaign, a senior health official said on Friday.
    Late last year, researchers in the United States and Africa said that circumcising men cut their risk of being infected with the AIDS virus in half, and could prevent hundreds of thousands or even millions of new infections globally.
    Circumcising men worked so well that the researchers stopped two large clinical trials in Kenya and Uganda to announce the results, although they cautioned that the procedure does not make men immune to the virus.
    "We have already noticed these reports from Africa," Ru Xiaomei, deputy director general of China's National Population and Family Planning Commission, told Reuters in an interview.
    "But the AIDS situation in China has not yet reached such a large scale (as in Africa)," she said.
    China's family planning authorities, with decades of experience at promoting contraception, are increasingly being drafted into the country's fight against AIDS.
    In China, which has an estimated 650,000 people living with HIV, the virus is gradually spreading from high-risk groups like intravenous drug users to the general population via sex.
    "I'm not yet totally certain about the evidence for circumcision," Ru said. "We should exercise caution."
    Circumcision rates are low in China compared to Asian countries like South Korea or Japan, where the foreskin is often removed at birth for hygiene reasons, or Muslims in countries like Indonesia who practice it for religious reasons.
    China's Muslim minority, concentrated in the far western region of Xinjiang, likewise circumcise their male children, normally as they reach puberty.
    That could perhaps mean a wider campaign in China would run into cultural problems and opposition from the non-Muslim majority, said Ru, a medical doctor by training,
    "There's a problem with cost too," she added, in a country with the world's largest population - 1.3 billion people. "It would be a big deal. It's much more reasonable to get people to use condoms."
    A U.S. National Institutes of Health study in Kisumu, Kenya, involving 2,784 men aged 18 to 24 showed a 53 percent reduction of HIV infections in circumcised men compared to uncircumcised men. A parallel study involving 4,996 men aged 15 to 49 in Rakai, Uganda, showed circumcised men were 48 percent less likely than uncircumcised men to become infected.
    Experts say the reduced HIV risk may be because cells on the inside of the foreskin, the part of the penis cut off in circumcision, are particularly susceptible to HIV infection. HIV also may survive better in a warm, wet environment like that found beneath a foreskin.
     
  2. SassySpy

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    :eek: Do you know I actually had to google this to make sure you weren't just posting some 20 year old article!! Sorry! Am just still surprised at the arguments for circumcision- Find it hard to believe that cutting is still promoted over good hygiene and protected sex.:confused:
     
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    Looks like I am getting HIV then. These debates and arguments are so silly. I can't understand why the gov't would think that THIS is the way to STOP AIDS/HIV from spreading.

    Why not just continue safe sex talks and ship tons of condoms to these "high risk" countries?
     
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    Exactly!! Instead, media articles like this will have people looking at an uncut penis in the same way they do potentially contaminated blood. Ridickulous.
    But, do you suppose costs could enter into it? I am crap at finance, but I wonder what the cost comparison between all the cutting, or education and condoms, would be. If any.:confused:
     
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    Sweet beautiful and wise Jeff Black wrote:

    Looks like I am getting HIV then. These debates and arguments are so silly. I can't understand why the gov't would think that THIS is the way to STOP AIDS/HIV from spreading.

    This isn't a way to keep HIV from spreading, because it won't. At best it will delay infection from unprotected contacts. What this is REALLY about is trying to find another rationalization to keep on cutting.

    Dave


     
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    And conversely, people who are cut will be running around in some "fool's paradise" thinking they're safe.

    Anything better than educating the public and committing to actually finding a cure, eh?
     
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    I would bet that if they kept count in the U.S. as to how many uncut men as opposed to cut men had contacted aids they would find more cut men had aids than uncut. Why because in the U.S. most men are cut. The medical field hasn't found a cure for aids so now they must find a scape goat to blame. Sometimes I get the feeling that those in control don't want a cure for aids. Maybe this is the way the World Health Organization gets a grip on world population control. We are not in control here people.
     
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    1) You have been posting here for three months, which is long enough that you should realize how many cut/uncut threads there are at LPSG, and how heated many of these have become. A certain amount of sensitivity might therefore be desirable on the part of those who plan to start yet another thread on this matter.

    2) The above statement in large red font is purposefully inflammatory towards members with penises which have not undergone surgical alteration, and as such, at odds with the ethos of a support-centered site.

    3) The Kenyan/Ugandan research underyling this article has been discussed on practically every other cut/uncut thread here, and is questionable at best.

    4) The remarks already made above by other posters on this thread bespeak the real issue here, which is the lack of better-funded, more intensified HIV/AIDS research, with this argument advocating circumcision failing to address notions of either 'safe sex' or a potential cure by deflecting attention elsewhere (i.e. towards the ongoing desire of a minority to impose circumcision in areas where it has never been practised).
     
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    just stop having sex
     
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    It's an interesting idea. MY only thought is that they would have to track ALL of the sexual encounters EACH person had. That means every random drunken "romp", every bad bar encounter... watching to see if condoms come into play.

    I am still going to promote the sexual awareness and condom useage to these countries. In the SLIGHTLY off chance that circumcision does ACTUALLY do something, I want to see 30 years of research, followed by trials and PROMOTION of a drug that cures those with HIV.

    Jesus, why don't you cut my entire dick off then... You think we could stop having SEX??:biggrin1:
     
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    NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:biggrin1:
     
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    See, this is the part about these "studies" that really bothers me. If these people are so ignorant that they are incapable of being taught safer practices and better hygiene, they are likely to hear something like this and think "snip off part of my dick and I'll be immune", actually reversing any sound factual information they may have received in the past. It's a step backward, and I imagine that media coverage of this kind of research will actually increase, rather than decrease, new infections.
     
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    Thank you, Alex. As one who somewhat innocently started a circumcision thread, I now run away from them, quickly. And with much haste. Your post, as usual, is well written and spot on.



     
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    China along with some African countries are amongst the most over-populated on earth.China has already tried to limit population growth by introducing a law to stop couples having more than one child.It isn't effective enough so the government have a dilemma - how to do a bit of human culling without starting a world war.
    If there is a deadly virus available that the intelligentsia can avoid,spreading some mis-information amongst the ignorant populace could be the first step to a final solution.
    To Rames - it's now about 20 years since the AIDS scare started,maybe I just mingle with the well informed but here in uncircumcised Britain I still don't know one person with HIV.
     
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    that is right on the money, there was some talk about this in the media a few months back.

    I don't care what anybody says, foreskin is not the cause of HIV/AIDS, all they are looking for is another silly ass excuse to cut on a guys dick and get more money for the procedure, I very rarely go by what "Studies" say, because they really don't know what the hell they are talking about.

    the best way to help prevent the spred of this aweful disease is to educate people, teach them safe sex, the dangers of sharing needles, and the list goes on.

    and then there is the younger crowd who only barebacks, well gee those barebackers are cut, so I reckon they won't catch anything, BULLSHIT! those are the ones that are at the highest risks, regardless if they are cut or intact.

    I am in the process of restoring, I will never have what was robbed from me originally, but it will be the next best thing, those of you who were left intact are definately the lucky ones, I get so pissed off at those idiots who say that a cut cock is more natural, or it's better looking, or it's cleaner, there is no reason why a intact penis can't be clean, it's called personal hygene, it doesn't require any special technique to pull the skin back and clean your cock, those who don't are just plain lazy.

    claiming that cutting on a cock to prevent the spead of a disease is just pathetic in my opinion.



     
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    China certainly hasn't been the most proactive when it comes to HIV prevention, however, your conspiracy theory sounds a little far-fetched.

    China's one child policy means that in the next 4 decades, China will be worse off than Europe when it comes to demographics. The elderly population is skyrocketing and there simply won't be enough workers to support them.

    India is the country that faces far worse population pressures, they're very far behind China economically.
     
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    Very interesting.
     
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    This is true - and would be even if circumcision did offer some protection, or if it increased the risk. Or had no effect. You have to look at the numbers of cut and intact, postive and healthy,
    ..........postive ...healthy
    cut ........A............ B
    intact ....C............ D

    and look at the ratios. But if you find that the proportion of positive cut (A/B) is lower than the proportion of positive intact (C/D), that only establishes a correlation, not necessarily a causal relation. To do that, you need a double blind random controlled test. The tests in Africa were not double blind (and could hardly ever be, though they could have done more than they did - giving the control group a slightly different operation as a placebo, for example), and also the cut men were given different instructions from the men left intact.

    Some people are just dead keen on cutting penises, and some of those are just dead keen on cutting babies' penises.
     
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    I am Uncut and I wouldn't want it any othwer way!!....just a thought?? If we were supposed to be cut...why not be born that way??? It is there for a reason!...thats just my 2 cents....CLEAN YOURSELF!! I have to agree with another post I saw, about teaching people...I mean all this talk about circumcision and people are going to "think" Ok, great now I don't have to worry about getting HIV or AIDS...I can go and "sleep around" ....
     
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    You are dead on josiah852! we need to keep pushing safe sexand condoms and forget about circumising men as a way to prevent hiv! What a crock of shit!
    Cigarbabe :smokin:
     
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