artfulwilly said:
But here's what many of these women may be trying to tell you:
"Sasquatch: you seem overly concerned about what I like and want to do and I know you will go out of your way to accomodate my every desire, but you seem reticent to speak up about what YOU like and want to do."
Amen to that! Women want to be wanted! (Hell, who doesn't?) and if a guy is too "nice," the way it comes off
to me is that he doesn't want me enough. If he has to ask permission for every little thing he does, then he's not man enough to deal with me
(I can be quite a handful)...
I read a quote recently in an erotic romance novel (BTW I am
proud that I read these for entertainment, and would recommend them to any and all horny, romantic people):wink: that resonated with me...here it is...
"He needed to know that she craved him too. There was also something darker. An emotion that was based in the hint of her nature...the reason was simple. There was a part of her that was unwilling to spread her thighs for a man who didn't demand it of her*...Aye, he liked Charity just the way she was and it was going to be his personal pleasure to prove to her that he was man enough to take her."
*NOT an endorsement of date rape.
I think many younger, less mature women confuse assholes with confident guys who know how to express their wants and needs. Unfortunately, these are two completely different types of people, and it takes a bit of discernment to tell the difference. An asshole's expression of his wants and needs is rooted in insecurity...whereas a confident man's expression of his wants and needs is rooted in the
ultimate security.
My ideal is a kind, confident man who can behave in a civilized manner outside the bedroom (or living room, or kitchen, or...you know what I mean...) but who can become a complete savage when it comes to showing me he wants me.
And I
don't want a playactor. I
don't want someone to
pretend to be aggressive just to please me. I want someone who
really knows he wants me, and is confident enough in his own desires to take what he wants.
artfulwilly said:
So, you may not be showing them very clearly what YOU'RE about, which not only doesn't give them much to be attracted to, but may also suggest to them that you lack the confidence to be yourself. So, you don't want to be an asshole -- all well and good, but neither do you want to be an ass kisser.
Well said. Both assholes
and ass kissers make me go ... *yawn*
...one is as bad as the other, IMO.
A lot of women appreciate a guy who is courteous and sensitive and thoughtful, but as to what gets their nethers-all-a-tingle many of them just want a guy who takes control.
THANK you!
Geez...if more men realized this...they could have our nethers all-a-tingle instantly!
(and thanks for that delightful turn of phrase, NIC...)
But I can understand why you guys are confused...we demand respectful, polite, equal treatment in so many situations that we've pushed a lot of men too far into the other direction.
You can be pussy-whipped :wink: ,
but for God's sake, don't be a pussy!
I, for one, am
beyond tired of taking control. Not all women are as extreme as I am about this. I think it depends on each woman's experiences and feelings. But the statements Artful and NIC have made are very, very insightful, IMHO.