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sad to see nobody here respects Nico's pronouns... anyways they're so hot
Nico removed his pronouns from his socials and has referred to himself as he recently.
 

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Nico removed his pronouns from his socials and has referred to himself as he recently.

Removing pronouns from social media and sometimes referring to yourself as “he” doesn’t always equate to dismissing “they/them” pronouns. However, if they are looking to be referred to as “he” again and have removed all their “erotic” stuff from social media, it is giving very: “I’m about to be a father now. Time to leave behind all this constant talking about identities and sex, and time to stop using queerness and vague attachments to gay-ness and thirst-trapping for attention and validation. I found something else to give me validation and attention”.

There’s little reason to full-on hate Nico. Save that vitriol for a more worthy target. However, it is unfortunate that a lot of people (particularly narcissistic guys) just don’t know how to handle queer dimensions, degrees of fluidity, mental health issues, questioning their place in the gender, sexual, affection, romantic, emotion, commitment spectrum without also being messy, manipulative, problematic, insecure, exploitative.
 

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Removing pronouns from social media and sometimes referring to yourself as “he” doesn’t always equate to dismissing “they/them” pronouns. However, if they are looking to be referred to as “he” again and have removed all their “erotic” stuff from social media, it is giving very: “I’m about to be a father now. Time to leave behind all this constant talking about identities and sex, and time to stop using queerness and vague attachments to gay-ness and thirst-trapping for attention and validation. I found something else to give me validation and attention”.

There’s little reason to full-on hate Nico. Save that vitriol for a more worthy target. However, it is unfortunate that a lot of people (particularly narcissistic guys) just don’t know how to handle queer dimensions, degrees of fluidity, mental health issues, questioning their place in the gender, sexual, affection, romantic, emotion, commitment spectrum without also being messy, manipulative, problematic, insecure, exploitative.
I’m not hating him at all.
 

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Also, Nico’s messiness highlights how social media’s obsession with identity pushing and “openness” can lead to toxic stuff and narcissistic, insecure, problematic behaviors. Nico’s decade long pushing of identities, thirst trapping, constantly talking about their sex life, constantly hyping up their queerness while letting people constantly know that they’re only interested in investing in and committing to a cis woman- it made them come off cringe-y and leach-y. They could have easily spoken a few times about having some gender/sexual fluidity, being in the queer spectrum, having some general struggles and then kept it pushing. I’m not sure Nico has ever given a sincere interview about their dimensions and struggles. Instead, it became all about victimhood, sensationalism, ego, “sexy” photos and aping other people’s identities and progressive, cliché sayings.
 

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Nico was never queer. Performative at best. He baited the community and people fell for it.
Oh grow up, they've literally been with guys, stop this mess. You can argue all you want about them not being non binary but you can't argue they're a 100% straight cis guy smh.
 

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Nico was never queer. Performative at best. He baited the community and people fell for it.

There was definitely performative aspects. I do however believe Nico has queer dimensions and some gender/sexual fluidity and some struggles with past traumas and addictions. All of that seems very legit. Not every problematic person with queer dimensions is secretly “straight”. Yet, when I saw in the span of just a year Nico use a two month gay “relationship”, a one month “relationship” with a trans woman and their relationship with their future wife all for constant interviews and social media attention- I knew there were ulterior motives. Or at the very least a lot of narcissism and insecurities. When they started talking about how no one is “gay” and how “gay” shouldn’t be an identity (while not shitting on any other identities) I also knew they had some hardcore issues.

Nico is proof that it’s best not to talk and talk and constantly seek validation and attention while you’re still trying to figure yourself out and is still dealing with a lot of issues and insecurities and resentments.
 
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Removing pronouns from social media and sometimes referring to yourself as “he” doesn’t always equate to dismissing “they/them” pronouns. However, if they are looking to be referred to as “he” again and have removed all their “erotic” stuff from social media, it is giving very: “I’m about to be a father now. Time to leave behind all this constant talking about identities and sex, and time to stop using queerness and vague attachments to gay-ness and thirst-trapping for attention and validation. I found something else to give me validation and attention”.

There’s little reason to full-on hate Nico. Save that vitriol for a more worthy target. However, it is unfortunate that a lot of people (particularly narcissistic guys) just don’t know how to handle queer dimensions, degrees of fluidity, mental health issues, questioning their place in the gender, sexual, affection, romantic, emotion, commitment spectrum without also being messy, manipulative, problematic, insecure, exploitative.
I respect their pronouns personally. But yes, a lot of people on here, even before they removed their pronouns from their bio didn't
 
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Y'all continue to talk circles about Nico, their history with queerness, and their pronouns ad nauseam despite the fact that they haven't literally done anything to talk about besides delete IG photos in months. It's giving obsession. Find a new bone, friends.
 

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I love coming to these threads and just quick scrolling past all these walls of text to check and see if any new pictures have been posted…lolololol
Safely assume there are no new photos.
 

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Y'all continue to talk circles about Nico, their history with queerness, and their pronouns ad nauseam despite the fact that they haven't literally done anything to talk about besides delete IG photos in months. It's giving obsession. Find a new bone, friends.

The problem with this perspective is that Nico was obsessed for nearly a decade with talking about their queerness publicly all the damn time, whether it was a podcast, a magazine interview, a talk show, on social media, etc. If they hadn’t dedicated so much time and effort into that being their primary public signifier and hadn’t used it so much for relevance and attention, people wouldn’t still be talking about it so much. So, most of this is on Nico.

I’m not even interested in Nico so much as the larger conversation of how public figures “come out”, how they navigate their queerness publicly, how they deal with fluidity, questioning, and their gender, sexual, affection, romantic, emotion, commitment spectrum publicly, how they deal with obvious insecurities, resentments, ignorance, problematic statements, mental health struggles publicly, and when does someone using “queer-ness” all the time for self-promotion cross over into being a leech.
 

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I’m not even interested in Nico so much as the larger conversation of how public figures “come out”, how they navigate their queerness publicly, how they deal with fluidity, questioning, and their gender, sexual, affection, romantic, emotion, commitment spectrum publicly, how they deal with obvious insecurities, resentments, ignorance, problematic statements, mental health struggles publicly, and when does someone using “queer-ness” all the time for self-promotion cross over into being a leech.
I don't inherently disagree with you, but I do think that this paragraph brings up a number of interesting points (interesting points being a thing so gravely missing from this thread normally.) I think history has proven that the community at large (and frankly, just the public in general) is not going to be happy with the way any celebrity comes out.

When it comes to "real life" people, we are much more open to respecting the journey and accepting people on whatever stage of their queer discovery they are at. I know people in my own personal life that have claimed nearly every sexuality under the umbrella, updated their pronouns a handful of times as they see fit, etc. We are long gone from the days that people only came out when they reached the "destination" (ex: feeling gays for years but not coming out until you were absolutely sure.) Now, people are much more open about discussing their feelings right now, regardless of if they think they might feel differently 6 months down the road.

Now, when real people do it, it's just queer people navigating their own queerness and talking more openly about the journey along the way. But when celebrities do it, they are leaches. They are using queerness for clout. They are trying to revitalize a washed up career. Any and all the reasons are thrown at them. When Demi Lovato updates their pronouns, they are just attention seeking. When Nico talks about their queer history but then marries a (seemingly) cis woman, they are considered queer baiting.

Now, don't get me wrong, I just used two celebrities who I think are generally insufferable at times, but that quality would be true about anything about them, but it doesn't inherently make their journey with queerness a lie. They are just insufferable people, and they would be just as insufferable if they were going on about veganism, animal rights, Black Lives Matter -- pick a cause and they would probably find a way to be annoying about it.

I feel like we are so tied down to expecting and asking of celebrities to have all the answers and be totally candid, and if they are still figuring it out, if they are working on it, they are accused of being elusive, being woke for clout, chasing what's trendy, being inauthentic, and I just think that's a dangerous game to accuse people of when we truly don't know how they are feeling inside.

Even real life, legitimate gay people go through journeys with their gayness where being outspoken and in your face about it is more important than at other times. Just because Nico got married and had a child and stopped talking about it doesn't mean that it wasn't real at the time, or it wasn't important to them, but it's just not part of their journey at the moment. What gets me is that people go on and on as if Nico has done irreparable damage to the queer community or something simply by being a little annoying, and I just don't understand the ire ad nauseam for them.
 

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I do agree that as a public figure you almost can never win. There’s always going to be shade or hate coming from some direction. And there’s always gonna be some type of consequences. And it doesn’t matter if you stay closeted, if you “come out”, in what way you come out, what identities you embrace, what your preferences are, where you fit in the gender, sexual, affection, romantic, relationship, emotion, commitment spectrum.

However, the route Nico took was so overtly the wrong route, and I definitely think they’ve done more than be “just a little annoying”. In a matter of a year they’re doing photo shoots and interviews with their “boyfriend”, photo shoots with their trans “girlfriend”, photo shoots and interviews with their fiancé. They’re starting a podcast centered around their queerness. They’re talking about their queerness in every public domain. They’re shaming gay-presenting people, the “gay” identity, and coming off extremely insecure with their queerness. They’re doing a public poetry reading where they only allow women and non-binary presenting people to attend (while still depending on “gays” and guys who are unabashedly into guys for attention and relevance). They’re trying to publicly out James Franco. They’re coming at Ashton Kutcher publicly for not assisting them with their drug dependence. They’re saying only white guys can truly be fluid or non-binary. They’re saying masculine insecure stuff while still trying to be seen as “non-binary” and promoting “bi pride”. And this was all in just the first couple of years of being “out”. Never mind some of the messiness afterward.

This is why I don’t press celebs about being unabashedly “out”. A lot of folks have a lot traumas, insecurities, mental health struggles to get through before they can try to be positive “representation”. While many folks just can’t maturely deal with their fluidity, questioning, contradictions, trying to understand where they are in the overall spectrum. Ego, perception and narcissism always gets in the way. But Nico is an obvious example of what not to do.