No bisexual or homosexual storylines in Star Trek?

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  1. True_Silver_Irv

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    Reading through some topics found here on Star Trek it came to mind that while interracial and interspecied relationships were common place in the Star Trek series and even the large screen films I do not recall any male with male or female with female or any bisexual moments in the past 40 years of the story. Did I somehow miss them or did they just never exist and if they did not exist then why not?
     
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    I haven't seen any of such scenes, too. Perhaps we missed them, if there were any...
     
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    There have been instances of women with women, I remember Diana Troy kissing some other women in the show. I think maybe it was the Doctor. And in Star Trek DS9 Dax kisses several times a women who was her wife when she had been blended with a man as a previous host. I also saw an episode of Voyager where the little blond Cess was taken over by a man and she was quit close to a female but also had a man friend to be her husband. I know these are not normal relationships but thats sci fi.
     
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    Okay, here we go.

    No, there have been no gay characters or relationships on Star Trek. In the more than 40 years of Star Trek, not one single time have they even acknowledged that gay people exist among the human species. No regular character has ever mentioned having or wanting a same-sex relationship, even though by the 1-in-10 at least 4 of them should have.

    The closest we have come are the following:

    TNG "The Host" - a race called the Trill work with the crew of the Enterprise. Beverly Crusher falls in love with a male Trill, only to find that the Trill are really a small slug-like creature living inside the humanoid body, which is little more than a carry-case. When the male host body dies, the slug is transferred to a new female host, and Beverly breaks off the relationship, unable to handle it.

    Why this is not gay - It's really more like transexualism - changing one's physical sex. If Beverly simply isn't interested in sex with women, that's fair enough, can't really argue.

    TNG "The Outcast" - a race called the J'Naii, who are gender-neutral, work with the crew of the Enterprise. One of them confesses to secrets feelings of female-ness, which is against all the rules in their society. Any expression of sexual identity, of being "male" or "female" rather than the usual neuter, is ruthlessly stamped out. Once this individual is found out by their authorities, and despite strong support and even a rescue attempt by the crew of the Enterprise, this individual is sentenced to reprogramming and eventually foreswears any of her previous "female" feelings.

    Why this is not gay - The J'Naii who feels female begins a relationship with William Riker - a male - thus actually showing a hetero relationship, not a homo one. The character is played by a woman, thus further diluting the message. Also, the ending smacks of the execrable "ex-gay" concept.

    DS9 "Rejoined - Jadzia Dax, a Trill woman, encounters Lenara Khan. In previous lives, Dax and Khan's former hosts had been married. Now that they're in new hosts, they want to rekindle their relationship, but are forbidden from doing so by Trill custom. Both hosts are now female, but at no point is that even suggested as being a problem or an issue. Rather, the issue is reliving an old life. Punishment means exile, and no more host bodies. Dax is willing to take the risk, but Khan is not, so they go their separate ways, but not before a female-on-female kiss.

    Why this is not gay - They're not really lesbians - they're former lovers who just happen to now both be in female bodies. And when they were lovers, they were a hetero couple. But this is certainly the closest we've come. Another character even wonders, "What's wrong with just letting people love whoever they want to love?"

    VOY "Warlord" - female Ocampa Kes is telepathically taken over by male alien warlord Tieran. She kisses a male and flirts with a female.

    Why this is not gay - Again, it's more like transgender.

    VOY "Ashes to Ashes" - a female lower-decks crewmember is asked to dinner by Captain Kathryn Janeway. The crewmember wonders briefly whether this is a date.

    Why this is not gay - Because it's not. It's just a business meeting over dinner. But at least she didn't run screaming down the corridors at the very thought.

    ENT "Stigma" - Vulcan sub-commander T'Pol reveals she has a degenerative disease that results from mind-melding - a practise the current Vulcan regime considers abhorrent. Because they don't approve of the action or the people, they do nothing to try to cure the disease.

    Why this is not gay - because it's really about the initial stages of AIDS hysteria in the 1980s - even though theshow wasn't broadcast until 2003, making it rather belated.
     
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    However, if you want to find gays in the Star Trek universe, then go to the novels. The tie-in product under the license to Pocket Books is massively more open-minded than the show, and has done a phenomenal job of presenting “alternative sexualities” in its books.

    Major literature characters include:

    Bartholomew Faulwell – language and cryptology specialist aboard USS Da Vinci. A rather bookish, nerdy older man, he nevertheless scored himself a hot young command officer, Anthony Mark. It’s a long-distance relationship alas, but the last thing I read, a friend’s marriage inspired Bart to ask Anthony to marry him.

    Ranul Keru – security chief aboard USS Titan. An unjoined Trill male, big and beefy and bearish, he used to be in a relationship with Lt. Sean Hawk on the Enterprise, until Sean was killed by the Borg (as seen in the movie “First Contact”). That sent Ranul into a major depression that lasted several years. He’s just now starting to flirt again with the occasional transporter operating stud.

    Thirishar ch’Thane – science officer aboard DS9, replacing Jadzia Dax. Shar is an Andorian, and Andorians are quad-gendered. They do not have males or females – they have four sexes who all need to get together to make a baby. To generalize horribly, the genders seem to be along the lines of manly-man, girly-man, manly-girl and girly-girl. Shar would be the girly-man. His first love was a manly-man.

    Burgoyne 172 – security officer and later XO of the USS Excalibur. He is a Hermat – as the name suggests, a species that is both male and female at the same time. S/he entered into a relationship with female Vulcan doctor Selar, and produced a child.

    We’ve also had countless mentions-in-passing. VOY’s Ensign Kim’s roommate at the Academy was gay and fancied him. Bolians and Denobulans both have poly-sexual marriages that involve more than one male and one female at a time. A Klingon female felt up Christine Vale’s backside.

    And so on.
     
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    You've watched the odd Star Trek epsiode with this in mind then, lvsxy?
     
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    Dr Spock was bisexual on the series. He use to say beam me up Scotty (he was a bottom). The word beam was used instead of the word lube because of F.C.C. laws at the time.
     
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    I think Gene R planned to explore this in STN Generation but Paramount shot it down. In the first episodes they even had guys in the background wearing skirts.
     
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    There is one scene in a little shown TNG episode, where Riker hears on the com, "Commander Riker to my ready room." When he enters, he finds Picard standing there dressed in just a pair of black leather chaps and a matching black 10 gallon cowboy hat.
    The cameras then move the view to the bridge, where Worf gives Geordie a knowing smile and Geordie giggles like a little girl.
     
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    Yeah, if I remember correctly, there was supposed to be a guy working in sick bay who was gay. I think the character may have been cast and appeared in a few episodes, but his backstory was never explored.

    The unisex skirt/short uniforms from the early TNG episodes were called "skants."

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    Starfleet uniform (2350s-2360s - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki)
     
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    Perhaps one or two. :biggrin1:

    really, I'm a major sci-fi fan. All the various Star Treks, Babylon 5, Farscape, Buffy, Angel, Battlestar Galactica, Doctor Who, ad nauseam.

    And I have a nearly photographic memory, which is how come I rattled off all that in two minutes flat.

    Yes, Gene Roddenberry did intend to introduce gay crewmembers to TNG in approx season 5, but it was shot down - he wasn't really in control of the show by that point.

    Kate Mulgrew (Kathryn Janeway, VOY) has said that she specifically argued with the producers about the issue, and that nothing came of it. She said, "I tried, and I regret that I wasn't able to get it to happen on my show. Perhaps the next one will be better."

    Scott Bakula (Jonathan Archer, ENT), when asked at a convention why there were no gay characters or storylines in Star Trek, confessed surprise that there weren't. He'd simply assumed that the issue must have been dealt with at some point in the show's 40 years on the air, and was rather mind-boggled to hear that it hadn't.

    Ronald D Moore (sometime producer, moved on to BSG) said he had also tried to introduce gay characters, with no success. He denied that the studio interfered, saying that Paramount/UPN/whatever pretty much let them do whatever they wanted. All he could say was, "The reason there are no gay characters on Star Trek is because someone wants it that way."

    Oh, and I forgot T'Prynn on the literature characters list. She's a female Vulcan, intelligence officer on space station Vanguard. She had a marriage arranged from her youth, but refused to marry the man because she was a lesbian. He pressed the issue, and she ended up having to kill him in self-defence, at which point he transferred his katra to her to continue to torture her from within. On Vanguard she's having an illicit affair with a human female who is actually a Klingon female in disguise, and who is using humans' greater acceptance of such things to indulge while she can.

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    I noticed that too, even in the more "advanced " TNG.

    It's OK for some male fish-face freakozoid to romance a jiggly ass-face female blob, but sexual tension between two hawt human males or females...No way! No how!

    :frown1:
     
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    lvsxy, I meant to say thank you for post #4. I'm really glad you posted all that information, because if you hadn't, I would have had to.

    I'm curious as to you're thoughts on the "Cogenitor" episode of Enterprise.

    Cogenitor (episode - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki)
     
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    I've read that Lt. Hawk from "First Contact" is written in non-canon literature as being gay. Neal McDonogough (sp?) is smokin' hot...
     
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    Ah, yes, "Cogenitor," forgot about that. The Enterprise crew comes across a race that has three genders - male, female, and a rare extra one that is required for reproduction but seen as a sub-species and ignored except for sex.

    Again, not really gay, more "alternate sexuality" like the lit Andorians. And the episode isn't really about sexuality issues anyway, it's more about Prime Directive issues, when Trip the Hunky Redneck interferes with their culture. But, good that they don't really freak out too much about the possibility of anything other than hetero-normativity.

    And Keru, his boyfriend, is imagined as being played by Adam Baldwin (Firefly, Angel, Chuck), which leads to some nice images in my head...
     
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    Agreed. What I thought was sort of gay--or maybe "queer" is a better word--was Trip's interest in the cogenitor. Although one could argue that he offered the cogenitor nothing more than friendship, and things never got sexual or even flirtatious between them, he seemed unusually curious about the Vissian third gender. Although the cogenitor is played by a woman, it looks more like a slightly androgynous male. It almost seemed like Trip was drawn to the androgyny, the gender-otherness of the cogenitor--sort of like a straight guy who is into transsexuals. Throughout the show, he did seem to go for boyish women.

    Oh my, what an image! Wow, they would look great together.
     
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    An episode on Star Trek: the Next Generation had a storyline of an alien woman (short hair and athletically butch) who lived in an all female lesbian society broke with tradition and fell in love with Number 1 - the commander of the Star Trek and she was ostracised by all her fellow lesbian citizens. She lived in a society where hetrosexuality was the aberration. Forgot how it ended but I think she went back to her lesbian ways and chalked up her sex with the Star Trek commander as a phase she was going through. Oh - the lesbians were really rude to the commander as I recall. Art imitating life.
     
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    lvsxy I am amazed at your recall.
    The only one I remebered was of the gender-nuetral planet..
    Do you have a book or encyclopedia of Star Trek Lore to help with that?
    I take my Vulcan ears off to you!!
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    Ah OK i just read that you have a photographic memory..
    You know it takes me a week to remember a new co-workers name? Geeezzzz
     
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    I would have like to have seen Trip and Archer get it on in "Enterprise". It sure would have enlivened the show! :biggrin1:
     
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    OMG that would have been SO hot....
     
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