On a good day, I hit 7.5x6. The difference is the hanging jewelry. I love it and so does the wife! Remember those desk toys for execs that he the 5 balls suspended in a frame and you swung one into the others and they would all react? Think of that action on a clit! http://www.lpsg.org/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/135062/size/big/cat/500/ppuser/140593 http://www.lpsg.org/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/135064/size/big/cat/500/ppuser/140593 That's a 1/2 PA with a 17 rung ladder. Top rung 4 ga, then 8 x 6 ga, then 8 x 8 ga. I'm not done yet either!