No Nudity in Avatars!!!

Discussion in 'Et Cetera, Et Cetera' started by Freddie53, Feb 25, 2009.

  1. Freddie53

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    This is a reminder of the rule in the ToS that forbids nudity in an avatar. Rob E. the owner made this a rule when he purchased the site and before the moderating team was set up.

    The moderating team is now enforcing the rule. If you have a nude avatar, you will be banned the first offense. That includes a new member who just joined within the hour and it also includes beloved veteran members as well who one day decide to use a pic with nudity for an avatar.

    An avatar is considered to have nudity if the nipple of the female breast, the genitals of both males and females, the area between the genitals of both genders and the asshole, and the ass crack of both males and females is visable.

    Since it is an announcement, I am posting this as a sticky closed thread that will be on the board for several days and then I will unstick it.

    Knowing the LPSG members , someone will start a thread about this either for or against the rule and its enforcement. There will be a thread here somewhere, I'm sure, for everyone to make any comments they wish to make concerning this matter.

    I am putting this on the public board because I don't want to see someone who didn't realize how serious nudity in the avatars is considered here to be banned. There have been a several bans for nudity in avatars since the new ToS has been implemented.

    I hope this announcement will reduce the number of people that receive bans. I suspect that at least some of the banned members just didn't read the ToS and read where it says nudity in the avatars will be banned first offense.

    Let me explain the rationale for the rule. People log in to the lpsg in several situations. Some may log in at work during break to get into a debate in politics or in ETC. All is fine until opps! There it is! A nude pic right on the screen and on the office computer. Or at home with small children who happen to want to sit in a parent's lap when the nude avatar suddenly appears on the screen without warning.

    The gallery has nudity. The difference is that we have to knowingly click on something to view it. The gallery doesn't just suddenly appear on a person's screen just because that person is logged in.

    Again, I am posting this thread hoping that you the members will appreciate knowing this is a rule and this is how it is being enforced.

    Carry on with your posting and gallery viewing.

    Freddie
     
  2. Freddie53

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    Now that most people have had a chance to read this. I opened the thread up to comments and I also "unstuck" the thread.

    Feel free to make any comments here.
     
  3. pym

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    It does seem odd that the female Nipple is not allowed, and yet in YOUR avatar the Male nips are showing!
    Double standard?
     
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    Welcome to society.
     
  5. kalipygian

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    Artwork is not necessarily treated the same as a photograph.
     
  6. B_bi_mmf

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    Earlier explanations of the policy stressed concern over what would be visible to non-members, specifically under-aged kids.

    Has the thinking changed?

    Thumbnails for videos -- thumbnails containing extremely explicit nudity --are available to non-members. This issue was raised back on January 11, and the problem remains.

    It seems to me that it is much more important to make the nude content unavailable to minor non-members than to protect members from seeing nudity. This is a site devoted primarily to PENISES after all!

    Additionally, there is a function whereby members can surpress the display of avatars in the forums, if in fact they really want to contribute to political threads with their children on their laps.

    Until such time as avatars can no longer be seen by non-members in profiles, I do favor the ban on nudity in avatars. But please deal with the problem that explicit thumbnails for videos are visible to non-members.
     
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  7. ManlyBanisters

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    The male and female nipple have never been equal - nothing new there pym. A guy can walk down the street bare-chested (in most places in the 'western world'), a woman cannot. Is it really a 'double standard'? Is the female bare breast not more overtly sexual for most people than the male bare breast?

    Freddie - what your original post has failed to clarify for me is the part of this ToS rule that says "[t]his includes images where a clear outline is visible or the clothing is so thin as to leave what is beneath clearly identifiable". I see you say:

    But you also mention immediate bans without warning - other mods (or was it Kotch? I can't recall enough about the thread / post to search for it effectively) have said that the people with the 'clearly visible through clothing' type avatar will be given a chance to change their avatars whereas full nudity av owner will be banned (temp) immediately. Is this still the case.

    Also - just as an aside really - I appreciate your point about people at work and with children about not wanting nude avatars ambushing them - and I fit in to one of those categories (well both, but I work from home so that doesn't count), but really, this is an adult site and I believe it is entirely up to me to police what I expose my offspring to on my tv or computer screen. When I am viewing this site and there are little eyes watching I just don't scroll the page until the little eyes can no longer see the screen. It is very easy. Also, your analogy does not follow for people in work. Adults looking over a co-worker's shoulder can read - the phrase 'large penis' is emblazoned all over this site, thread titles in the side bar often contain very explicit terminology - those things are going to be noticed almost as readily as a nude avatar.

    I'm not a big fan of the nude avatar, or of the bulge / see-through clothing avatar - if Rob wants non-porn avs then that's fine, it is his site. But your reasoning does not hold water - not for me anyway.

    Edit: Well said bi_mmf :yup:
     
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  8. pym

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    In my World........there would be more Tits than even Kenny saw while he was Cheesing his F'ing brains out on Cat Pee.
     
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    Do moderators have the ability to just take the offending avatars away and send the member a note which requires a response so the mods will know the member rec'd it instead of banning right away for that?
     
  10. ManlyBanisters

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    I know admins can just change the avatar - it's Pecker's favourite pastime :smile: - I'm not sure mods can though. I'm not sure where this instant (temp) banning thing has come from for this offence. Maybe there are just too many offenders to handle it any other way. hope Freddie or one of the other deputies will step up and tell us why the lynchin' rope is a-hangin' from the tree :wink:

    j/k mods, j/k - don't shoot me.. well, not in the eye anyway :wank::rolleyes:
     
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    I passed the warning to two of my Buddy's.."
    So far one has changed thiers.."
    :biggrin1:
     
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    Good thing my avatar is a close-up. Otherwise you'd probably see my little tail. :rolleyes:

    (btw d-girl...hilarious avatar).
     
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    An ass crack?

    Really? What if I just have really baggy pants?
     
  14. D_Amyntas Lillydong

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    these are thumbs, not nips.
     
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    Banned straight away? Thats harsh. Especially considering that some cases are borderline. Surely you can afford them one warning? This is an adult website after all.
     
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    Yes Mods can change avatars.

    Bear in mind that under the current set up any guest logging into the site can see avatars and that includes minors. When a member goes to upload or change an avatar it states quite clearly in a way that you cannot miss that nude avatars are not allowed. Therefore I disagree that this is harsh.

    Where cases are borderline the Mods would be more than willing to meet people half way and of course offer guidance. I'm proud to be a part of the current Mod team as without exception they all are prepared to listen to people and will compromise and help wherever possible.

    If anyone is unsure about the avatar they have or are thinking of adding then feel free to pm a Mod to check.
     
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    Every time you edit your avatar in your control panel you are greeted with the following:

    Warning! Avatars containing nudity are not allowed! If your avatar contains nudity you will be banned without warning. No exceptions!

    This warning has been in place since Rob_E bought LPSG but for some reason we chose to issue warnings or we just plain changed nude avatars to something less offensive. This wasn't working. Finding that banning was rarely enforced, many were taking advantage and posting weenies, boobs and butts all over the place.

    The shoulder shrugging is behind us now and the warning is being enforced according to the LPSG owner's instructions in an effort to be consistent.
     
  18. Lex

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    I am SO glad I don't have tits.

    I do agree that the "visible outline" needs some clarification.

    Avatars like meatpackingbubba and EricBear seems perfectly okay by me.

    I mean if a guy really has a big dick, you will be able to see it in jeans or undies. Also, under the current rule, what makes a shot of me in dry (or wet) underwear different from a buldge shot in my swimsuit? Clearly in all those cases, you know I have a cock and I am male and it is big.

    Similarly, a woman clothed with perky nipples shows all the time. I see this everyday at work. No issue there, either.

    To me, you are either nude or you are not.

    Freddie and Pecker-- can you help us understand?
     
  19. D_Bob_Crotchitch

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    But Lex, I like your tits.
     
  20. B_bi_mmf

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    As I mentioned in post # 6 below, non-member minors are able to see extremely explicit thumbnails for videos. It seems a bit hypocritical, in the name of protecting kids, to be so tough on members regarding simple nudity and bulges in their avatars when these thumbnails are visible to minors.
     
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