north korea launching missle

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  1. CALAMBO

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    Hey guys...this could lead to Obama's test on foreign policy...any discussion on Hillarys secrtary of state power to warn of further actions?...
     
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    I say we stay the hell out of this one......Let Japan or North Korea's asian neighbors 'DEAL' with this on the Foreign policy level.

    We are NOT the world's police force or arbitrators.

    With any luck....This 'TYPE O DONG' missle will fail in spectacular fashion upon lift-off as in the last test and crash.
     
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    North Korea will launch. Whether they can control the thing after it takes off is another matter altogether. Their last test was a failure and the North Korean's apparent inability to control their long-range missiles after launch creates a hazard for neighboring countries.

    Given their history, I'm positive that North Korea will launch. I do not know if we or the Japanese will shoot it down. Clinton really has nothing to back her threats without presidential and military backing. I tend to think that it will be shot down if it leaves North Korean territory. Washington does not want a successful North Korean missile test.
     
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    The problem is, in this case, we are. We're still at war with North Korea. We still have troops all along the DMZ. We're committed to protecting the South Korean peninsula and Japan and have been since the Korean War began in 1950. This is one police action that we're committed to whether we like it or not.
     
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    What every happened to diplomacy?
     
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    well said, jas
     
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    This is how diplomacy works with North Korea. They rattle sabers, make bellicose speeches, and push the envelope with anything they can get away with. We rattle back, pressure China, and then try to find out what the North Koreans really want. Usually they're just looking for hard currency. The last time Dear Leader Kim got uppity we went after his private businesses and that shut him up pretty damn quickly. This missile test is as much of a test of Obama as it is of the missile itself. Kim needs to keep his military happy and they won't be until they have a deliverable nuclear device.
     
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    I agree that USA is not the police force of the world....But the wwII treaty somewhat prevents Japan from acting or re-acting....thus again USA must defend....I truly suspect the axis of evil will support N korea and the pot will boil into an international incident...thus costing AMERCIAN tax payers again...but history shows war brings jobs and economy sure needs the help.
     
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    I agree with you... I just recall hearing all this blanketed diplomacy vs. war rhetoric.

    They rattle foil sabers. The country is REALLY f'd up, and this is pretty much all their gov't has to show for it. Reminds me of Communist USSR... food lines, crap infrastructure, etc... with military might.

    Screw the aid and $$$, this should be an all or none engagement.

    Don't think we need an occupation type of engagement, but some carpet bombing of sorts would be an economically and ease-o-implementation way to tether this yippy chihuahua back a bit.
     
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    any type of bombing by us would trigger a total land war by them and a move by their forces towards the DMZ.

    i would not want to fuck with NOrth Korea militarily at the moment. An ovewhelming air and missile assault on Iran is one thing, because they have little in the way of ground forces and artillery that could truly hurt us, or our allies.

    But NOrth Korea is totally a different ball of wax, and it would trigger a massive land war over there, pulling in South Korea and Japan, and pushing tensions with China through the roof.
     
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    I'm NOT buying 'IT', this time around......we currently have about 20,000 troops on the DMZ. South Korea has a population of about 48 Million. North Korea...about 24 Million. Let S.Korea man the DMZ. They can catapult fucking Hyundais at the Northern Koreans for all i care. Were North Korea to Bum-rush the South Koreans in a Human Wave attack{as were there tactics in the Korean War} we as American defenders would be in a very poor position Tacticly to stop it. If an all out Missle assault on south Korea or Japan were to occur.......It would be a matter of minutes{maybe 2 or 3} to decide what foreign policy to 'Adopt'. Japan is well equipted with it's own Anti-ballistics capabilities. South Korea? With there manufacturing capabilities......let them produce there own military defence's {and troops} against there Neighbors.
    That's my stand on it.
     
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    well pymster...South Korea actually has huge military capabilities and defenses and troops...but we are there in support and as a "tripwire".

    S Korea already mans the DMZ, and US forces represent only a very small, but crucial augmentation of Skorea's defense.

    Problem is that North Korean artillery and rocket forces are massive, a variation of the "human wave" tactic, but far more lethal, and our forces along with most of SKorea's Population centers in cluding Seoul are well within range.

    it would be a very ugly, incredibly violent clash were it to occur...so much so i do not want to even think about it...even without nukes, hundreds of thousands would be killed in the fighting, very quickly, mostly civilians due to the NOrth's unapologetic and presumed strategy of rocketing and bombarding the South's population centers.
     
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    It's a matter of #'s. The US troops could not stop a thing from happening if the North Korean's decided to go 'POSTAL'. And that is just about the only Military tactic they could possibly launch an assault with. And the Fuck of it all is this......Were N.Korea to Launch an assault on Japan......i am convinced that a very large percentage of S. Korea would be Cheering.
    They have not forgotten Japanese war atrocities there. I personally saw desecrated Buddhist temples there from WW2. The Japanese used the ancient stone monuments as target practice items. And the Korean Woman during the occupation? Most people would not even want to know.
    It's a no win situation from an American standpoint. I think it's long overdue to turn the defense of S.Korea to there own devices.
     
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    It took long enough ...:rolleyes:
     
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    well, obviously the S.Korea/Japan dynamic is one of the bizarre ocmponents to the stability of the region, but with regards to what the US troops stationed there could do, i think that NK could be stopped by us and South Korea, the question is, how much damage they could do before they were defeated?

    Victory for the US and SK would be holding the DMZ. Victory for NK would be breaking through the DMZ, pushing deep into SK and consolidating gains (ultimate goal is reunification,m under the NK banner).

    NK's air force and Navy are small and not effective...their doctrine isone of massive land assault, exploiting any breakthroughs, then consoldiating gains, and trying to send special forces through the gaps into the rear control areas to disrupt communications, supplies and takeover airbases etc.

    of cours, this is predicated on breaching the DMZ.

    their overwhelming rocket and artillery fire is massive as are their conventional armored and mechanized forces...however their armored and mechanized corps use relatively antiquated equipment ( mostly pre 1970s era soviet copy tanks, APCs, IFV's) not to mention there are only 3 strategic areas where they could cross the DMZ at Munsan, Ch'orwon, and Tongduch'on corridors (the only three feasible large approaches)

    the East Coast Approach (Taedong Mountains)



    the Chorwon Approach, (Kumwha Valley and Chorwon West a.k.a MSR3)


    the Kaesong-Munsan Approach (KM North)


    the defensive structures, tank traps, barriers etc. that the US and ROK have set up in those zones make it unlikely that they would be able to breakthrough, though the artillery and rocket barrages would take a very heavy toll.

    the ROK is a very formidable and well trained force and along with our forces there have a very pronounced technical advantage, not to mention air superiority.

    looking at it on the surface (hopefully it will never happen for real) it would be a very interesting and epic military engagement in tactical terms.
     
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    It would be absolute fucking destruction with North Korea literally destroying Seoul in a very short time and South Korea in return, nuking North Korea and subsequently contaminating the region with radiation.

    This is when a pre-emptive strike would be sooooooo helpful.

    Nothings gonna happen though, it's all good.
     
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    I watched a quick clip of Sec. of State Clinton's official response to the launch just a few moments ago. She didn't really say much...I am not surprised, since there really is not much to say at the moment. It was a typical "we consider it to be an aggessive act" and "we will respond appropriately" kind of talk. What impressed me (or, actually, failed to impress me) was the lack of strength in attitude during her speech. She seemed uncomfortable and tenuous. She did not deliver the speech with the requisite assertiveness behind it. In this kind of game, it is all in the posturing. I hope she gets better at that...
     
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    Hold on...does S.korea have nukes??......And such drastic action would surely bring China into the scene...And possibly Russia...Surely Obama and Hillary would step in before launching such a scene...Possibly a coo on N korea communist regime...who has starved that country, the health of leader is in question....maybe a USA lead delta force surely would save the day AND MAYBE THE WORLD, AGAIN.
     
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    I hope they fire it, and lands near a neighbor. Through the gauntlet down ya pissants.
     
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    You know I always say the same shit; whether it is saddam or kim jong or whoever. Why can't we just take him out? I have a feeling that this team america world police jean claude van damme chuck norris steven seagal shit doesn't really play out like that in real life however.

    Is there some written or unwritten rule regarding the assassination of a rogue leader?
     
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