Northern Ireland

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Flashy, Apr 8, 2010.

  1. Flashy

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    recently, i noted that a couple of posters lamented that the Poli-Forum tends to be too US-centric...

    this should clear that up...

    so go on Nationalists and Unionists....show us you can be as obnoxious, blinkered, and extreme as Yanks are.

    you know you want to :wink:

    HAVE AT IT!!!

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    which will you be yelling by the end of this thread?



    BRITS OUT! BRITS OUT! BRITS OUT!


    or


    YOU FENIAN BASTARDS!
    YOU FENIAN BASTARDS!
    YOU FENIAN BASTARDS!


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    * (P.S. - obviously, i am only joking about the chanting, but if any of our british and irish (both ROI and N.I.) members want to have an intelligent discussion on N.I. then, do so...and try not to make a mess in here...you may get mistaken for us Yanks :smile:)
     
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    It doesn't really matter.
    The fact of the matter is most people in Britain and the ROI don't give a crap about Northern Ireland. None of us really want it; more trouble than it's worth.

    Both countries are predominantly white, english speaking, christian, capitalist, democratic countries with very similar customs, diets, traditions, politics etc.

    Countries like India and Pakistan; Greece and Turkey have real reasons to hate each other and fight over land.

    Just stfu, let's all get pissed and fuck ;) What us Brits & Irish do best x
     
  3. Jason

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    We have a peace process in Northern Ireland. It works because people on both sides of the divide put a lot of energy into making it work. It is still fragile - witness the terrorist murders last year and the difficult debates in the NIA. But it does work and it is very precious. People in NI, throughout the UK and throughout Ireland, are making a big effort to step back from past negativity. The spirit of the opening post is deeply misguided.
     
  4. Flashy

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    obviously, as i indicated, i was making a joke regarding *EXTREMISM* and the craziness of the fringe on both sides, as evidenced here by the arch conservatives and arch liberals feuding every day

    i am well aware of the long way the peace process has come in N.I.

    this thread was to have an intelligent discussion about N.I. while poking fun at the wretched extremes on both sides.

    when Unionists are hurling abuse at catholic school children on their way to class, so much so that they have to be escorted by their parents and police and when Nationalists are indulging in some of their extremist crap, the fringe is on display for all to see.

    give me just a *BIT* of credit and understand the line of thought that the thread was created in.

    we will see, if intelligence and reason prevail and an intelligent discussion ensues among those people who have put energy into understanding the conflict, *OR* if the worse angels that i poked fun at for their stupidity, emerge, as so often happens in this forum, most notably among the far right and far left in regards to US politics.


    there was nothing misguided at all. It was a pisstake on the politics forums insanity, and a legitimate attempt to create a non-US centric politcs thread, based on a very real issue, that i am sure many members on our forum, have an opinion on in some way.

    we have many British and Irish posters here...as such, this is a topic of discussion.

    taking a humorous jab at the stupidity of extremism, is hardly misguided when a thread is made to do just exactly the opposite...and if extremism does emerge, then it just goes to show exactly what i was talking about, regarding fringe elements and their inability to be reasonable.
     
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    "Both countries are predominantly white"

    RACISM. Flagging as such.
     
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    26+6 = 1

    nuff said.
     
  7. Sergeant_Torpedo

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    It works because the US insist it works and Downing Street always bows the knee in that direction. It was achieved by stuffing the maws of the terrorists (sorry, politicians) with gold. Both sides are bloody minded but when it comes to the crunch they can be bought like any South American dictator.
     
  8. Jason

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    If it were this simple we wouldn't have a problem. Emphatically this isn't the answer, just a slogan.

    At every election since the partition a majority of the population of the six counties of Northern Ireland have voted for the two Unionist parties whose primary objective is to keep Northern Ireland a part of the United Kingdom.

    A large number in NI (but nonetheless a minority) would support union with the Irish Republic. (That's if the Irish Republic would have them.)

    We have a problem. And 26+6=1 is not a solution now, just as it hasn't been a solution for the last 88 years.

    There are strengths in the arguments both sides advance.
     
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    As both the republic and the united kingdom signed away our sovereignty to the European Union it is of no matter on the
    wider world stage. The partition is much talked about but what about the civil war in the republic, where nationalists were as vicious towards each other as were the unionists and nationalists in the north. Now that the Irish economy is failing on a massive scale will prove who was sincere in signing up to the peace agreements.
     
  10. Jason

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    This is the new element in the mix. It is hard to see how it is going to impact. It may be that relative prosperity in NI (compared with the IR) will tend to cement the Union. The scandals around RC priests is an issue that is having impact also as the automatic respect of Irish RCs to the RC church has reduced. As a consequence the religious issue is perhaps declining somewhat. I suppose the point is that the fundmantals are changing, both in economics and in religion. In terms of terrorism I think we have now had enough years of (mostly) peace to make a return to the Troubles unlikely.

    The wildcard of course is what if the Euro goes pear shaped, or Ireland is unable to remain within the Euro? Ireland has traditionally pegged its currency to sterling, using a floating peg. It would probably seek to return to this system.
     
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