i have no clue what you talking about :redface:humm why should?:biggrin1:
i have no clue what you talking about :redface:humm why should?:biggrin1:
I'm lost, why do you dread to think what I believe in?
i like the end of your anthem... the whole time its "boom" "bang" and "hurray to the king/queen"... but at the end you warn the king/queen, if they harm you, you will show them who has the power.
i like the german anthem (just lyric, not melody)... it has nothing to do with glory, war or how great our nation is
I never understood the religous side of anthems, arent the countries a laic state? which means they accept any kind of religious in the country, nowadays people care less about religion... for me a anthem have more to do with the country itself, its history, its people, the identity of a country, etc but not about religion thats the Vatican anthem, I doubt Uk is more christian, I think its turning to be very islamic.
I think the comment indicates both religious and cultural ambivalence, which is disturbing.
Many in the UK are believers in Christianity or another major religion, and very many more leave open the possibility of God - they are agnostics. There is a disturbing trend in the UK for people to identify as atheists. This is a belief of exclusion - in order to be an atheist it is necessary to have made extensive study of the case for God existing and to have rejected. Almost no-one is a genuine atheist. Both theists and agnostics should be able to accept the sentiment of "God save the Queen". The verse actually comes from the Old Testament - it is not specifically Christian.
Culturally the UK anthem is an expression of British identity, familiar from ceremonies, from sport, from much more. in our constitution the queen as head of state embodies the state - this is the sentiment behind the anthem. If we replaced the Queen with a president I suppose it would be "God save our President" - the language might change but not the sentiment.
I think we do need an English anthem (one easy to sing!) to go alongside the UK anthem. But I'm pretty unhappy at an unthinking swipe against our anthem.
I'm NOT religiously or culturally ambivalent, I find the traditional culture of deference in my own country to be disturbing, it is precisely this reason why it takes centuries to effect major change in this country. It is precisely this reason why it took till 1918 to have universal male suffrage (female not until 1928), despite the fact that it had been first proposed by the levellers in the middle of the seventeenth century. The culture of deference is the reason why we had so many hereditary peers right up until the turn of the 21st century. These men were allowed to sit in our government and arbitrate on our laws out of birthright, not out of merit, popular acclaim or being elected. It is also the reason why the class system is deeply entrenched here, which has led to horrendous hypocrisies such as working class bloodsports being banned back in the middle of the nineteenth century, but it took until the 21st century to ban the main upper class one, fox hunting.
I am an atheist, as are at least one sixth of my compatriots, along with a high proportion of agnostics and ignostics (i.e. don't know either way and it doesn't make a difference). Being an atheist in and of itself is merely the rejection or abscence in the belief in God (or gods). But in practice, whether explicitly or implicitly the vast majority of atheists adhere to the principles of humanism and the golden rule. This kind of bollocks of the stereotyping us as having no moral code, which is not only woefully inaccurate, but in practice it means that we don't have to engage in anywhere near as much moral duplicity as it takes for a christian to juggle between secular and religious values.
The pub and landscape resonate more with the concept of our national culture, than the church does. If you don't believe me walk into a village church, then walk into the village pub, and see how many people are there.
The main reason for my being so, is that I cannot possibly imagine that a god COULD exist let alone does exist.
My personal social philosophy is fairly simple, it is "whatever is harmful to humanity in part, is harmful to the whole".
Is that really that scary?
Believe you me it wasn't unthinking on my part at all.
Oh and we don't have a written constitution.
So Englad will be voting for "I vow to thee my country" as the English anthem.
For those who don't know it the song sets out in the first verse "entire and whole and perfect the service of my love" which is exalted above all other earthly things. The second verse speaks of the higher calling of the kingdom of heaven. Thus the song combines deference to nation with an uncompromising Christianity.
Oh my..., by reading people who write here, you must still belong to a tiny minority in the anglosphere.
does the titel sound like war or glory???? no, it just says for whom its written... so what? - also the anthom doesnt has a real titel, its just called das lied der deutschen, but also das deutschlandlied... OR Hoffmann-Haydn’sches LiedLOL seriously, are you being sarcastic?
It's called Das Lied der Deutschen.
yes, we only use the third part of the old anthem. and as i sayd, i like the german anthem... not the anthem of the third reich or weimarer republik.Secondly that would only be the case because you dropped the first two verses of the anthem, I don't think I need to remind you what the first verse was, other than to say it was extremely nationalistic.....
does the titel sound like war or glory???? no, it just says for whom its written... so what? - also the anthom doesnt has a real titel, its just called das lied der deutschen, but also das deutschlandlied... OR Hoffmann-Haydnsches Lied
yes, we only use the third part of the old anthem. and as i sayd, i like the german anthem... not the anthem of the third reich or weimarer republik.
so if i talk about the german anthem, i only talk about the third part. the first and second one is forbidden to sing by law.
and i know why the first two parts are forbidden. and in this context, the lyric of our anthem is even more importent. i realy like the lyric
so its absolutly not sarcastic
also if you talk about the historical context of the first two part, you also have o take a look in what situation this lyric has been written.
it was after the napoleonic war and the end of the holy roman empire of german nations. till this moment there never existet something like a german nation. so the lyric has to unite a country that never was really united. thats why it starts so nationalistic
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just by the melody, the russian anthem is definitly the best
True, it wasn't clear from your original statement though. Danke für die Erklärung!
I am impressed. Nice to see an English guy who has knowledge of German. That shows that you are a European.
Yeah. its good.My absolute favorite is the Russian (formerly Soviet) national anthem.Makes me want to get on my knees and kiss the soil of Mother Russia!
sorry, but I think I preferred the old tune.I know you probably don't care for what is overseas and is not english-speaking but this is ours (official since 1981 - before the music was the same as the British anthem).
Thats better. Bit carnival perhaps but should keep people awake.Can you imagine the bankers on the Bahnhofstrasse in Zurich working and pulverizing some money at the rhythm of the Zurich anthem?
Canton of Zürich / Cantón de Zurich (Switzerland / Suiza) - YouTube
Traditionally I think countries like to get god on their side.I never understood the religous side of anthems, arent the countries a laic state? which means they accept any kind of religious in the country,.
You mean they banned the deutschland, deutschland uber... bit? My dad used to sing that, but then he was once a soldier. Perhaps irony. 'Glorious things of thee are spoken' at least used to be a popular tune. I think I once heard the Queen is fond of it, but then the family is german.yes, we only use the third part of the old anthem. and as i sayd, i like the german anthem... not the anthem of the third reich or weimarer republik....the first and second [verse] is forbidden to sing by law..
you mean a bit like 'Rule Britania, britania rule the waves, Britains never never never shall be slaves'? No ones banned that yet.the lyric has to unite a country that never was really united. thats why it starts so nationalistic
jup, that part... and no wonder, if you think 70 years back.You mean they banned the deutschland, deutschland uber... bit? My dad used to sing that, but then he was once a soldier. Perhaps irony. 'Glorious things of thee are spoken' at least used to be a popular tune. I think I once heard the Queen is fond of it, but then the family is german.
you mean a bit like 'Rule Britania, britania rule the waves, Britains never never never shall be slaves'? No ones banned that yet.
I happened to catch 'Cabaret the other night'. Heres a fun version of Tomorrow belongs to me (Der morgige Tag ist mein) - YouTube (the characters are tory politicians) I think it was once played at the end of a TV election results program after the conservatives won.
Possibly....it isnt the most acceptable film in Germany. Its about persecution of jews and homosexuals in the rise of Nazism with some good songs thrown in. Based upon book by um that gay guy.. Christopher Isherwood, who had quite a good time in berlin before the Nazis arrived. So try the original clip featuring hitler youth. Cabaret - Tomorrow Belongs to Me - YouTube Thats why it was a satire with Tory politicians. Nothing changes.never heard about that song... the video looks really german, why? its about british politicans, isnt it? i like the sign "milton freedmann" at the beginning :wink:
Maybe thats why we blew the island to tiny pieces then. I think they just put it back together?the deutschladlied was written on the island helgoland, whitch belonged to britain at that time. late britain and germany maid a deal. island helgoland for the german collony east afrika...
Sorry, i'm not one of those who understand german so getting a bit lost in versions.No one could believe that we still use parts of pur old anthem, so they played "heidewitzka herr kapitän"
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I happened to catch 'Cabaret the other night'. Heres a fun version of Tomorrow belongs to me (Der morgige Tag ist mein) - YouTube (the characters are tory politicians) I think it was once played at the end of a TV election results program after the conservatives won.
okay, now i get it its a hitler boy... i like thouse movies, useually kids see thouse movies in history class.Possibly....it isnt the most acceptable film in Germany. Its about persecution of jews and homosexuals in the rise of Nazism with some good songs thrown in. Based upon book by um that gay guy.. Christopher Isherwood, who had quite a good time in berlin before the Nazis arrived. So try the original clip featuring hitler youth. Cabaret - Tomorrow Belongs to Me - YouTube Thats why it was a satire with Tory politicians. Nothing changes.
maybe...I thought the film was great, but a christiam minded friend of mine at university was quite upset. Rather makes you cry considering the history.
Maybe thats why we blew the island to tiny pieces then. I think they just put it back together?
english version: Marlene Dietrich - Where Have All The Flowers Gone? - YouTubeSorry, i'm not one of those who understand german so getting a bit lost in versions.
It rather reminds me of this one:
Loreley on Rhine - YouTube