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I guess everyone noticed that some old building burned down in Paris... that's why I don't want to talk about it, but about what happened later.


Within a day 1 billion euro got donated to rebuild the church.


Two very wealthy families donated 300 million within hours - the first 100, the second 200 - many large French companies followed...


It's nice, isn't it?


But then you wonder that two large families are able to donate 300 millions for a building within hours, but wouldn't even dare to donate 1 million for charity. Same counts for the companies. What the donate for Notre Dame surpasses what they usually donate for human aid.



... and at the end all the positive PR won't cost them a cent... what ever they donate, they can use it to lower their taxes.




Maybe we should tax them higher... in this case they can donate for every building as much as they want and don't have to care for charity, because the state will have enough money to do it.
 

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Yeah, cuz the imaginary guy people worship is more important than his "children" (fellow humans).

I know that it was an important building historically but the reaction from those rich fucks tells me exactly what I already knew about them. They don't give a fuck about poor people, they give a fuck about their own pointless "reputations". Fucking disgusting.
 

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Like I said, right winged so-called Christians and sayers of "sooth" have a knack for alternate realities and the making of their god into their own image. Hence Robertson's twisted proclamation.

I mean, it couldn't POSSIBLY have been a omen relating to the rising "bubbling over" of narrow-minded, retrogressive, HATE BASED nationalism and the supremacist SENTIMENT of those with whom HE allies with, and the FRAUDULENT use of faith for the purposes of LEGITIMIZING that mentality.... COULD IT??
 

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Also Democrats are cheap bastards.

•••O’Rourke, a former congressman from El Paso, and his wife reported in their 2017 tax return that they donated $1,166 — which was one-third of 1 percent of their $370,412 of income that year. O’Rourke told reporters on Wednesday that, over the years, he and his wife have donated “thousands of dollars” more that they did not itemize “because it wasn’t important for us to take the deduction.” The campaign has yet to provide updated numbers.•••

.003 % charity by old Beto. What a fuck.
 
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Also Democrats are cheap bastards.

•••O’Rourke, a former congressman from El Paso, and his wife reported in their 2017 tax return that they donated $1,166 — which was one-third of 1 percent of their $370,412 of income that year. O’Rourke told reporters on Wednesday that, over the years, he and his wife have donated “thousands of dollars” more that they did not itemize “because it wasn’t important for us to take the deduction.” The campaign has yet to provide updated numbers.•••

.003 % charity by old Beto. What a fuck.

It's his tax return. Not an auditing of all of his charitable contributions.

He's also done a lot of fundraising/speaking on behalf of Annunciation House which is a Catholic charity in El Paso that supports immigrant families.

O'Rourke Seeks Help After ICE Drops Migrants at Bus Station
Beto O'Rourke wrote on Twitter that a local shelter needed fresh fruit and unworn clothing

You want him to put a dollar figure to the time he spent and try to seek tax credit for time spent trying to help feed, clothe, and shelter the poor himself.

It figures that to you charity means writing a check in order to score a tax break -vs- actually volunteering your own time.

Please feel free to link us an article about Trump volunteering his own time to do anything more than chuck paper towels at Puerto Rican hurricane victims (and he was paid for that).
 
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I guess everyone noticed that some old building burned down in Paris... that's why I don't want to talk about it, but about what happened later.

Within a day 1 billion euro got donated to rebuild the church.

Two very wealthy families donated 300 million within hours - the first 100, the second 200 - many large French companies followed...

It's nice, isn't it?

But then you wonder that two large families are able to donate 300 millions for a building within hours, but wouldn't even dare to donate 1 million for charity. Same counts for the companies. What the donate for Notre Dame surpasses what they usually donate for human aid.

... and at the end all the positive PR won't cost them a cent... what ever they donate, they can use it to lower their taxes.

Maybe we should tax them higher... in this case they can donate for every building as much as they want and don't have to care for charity, because the state will have enough money to do it.

Do you believe we should have no parks? No Art? No museums? No music?

There is a lot more to life on this rock than simple sustenance and yes, there is a ton of money spent on things that could have been spent on food and shelter for the poor instead. C'est la vie (literally).
 

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Do you believe we should have no parks? No Art? No museums? No music?

There is a lot more to life on this rock than simple sustenance and yes, there is a ton of money spent on things that could have been spent on food and shelter for the poor instead. C'est la vie (literally).

And if we didn't spend so much on things that neither feed the body nor nourish the spirit, we wouldn't even have to think about this as an either/or choice.
 

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Do you believe we should have no parks? No Art? No museums? No music?
There are nearly 19000 private companies dedicated to "Performing art" - Germany has more Operas and Theatres as France, Italy and Britain combined.
There are around 20,000 castles in Germany (most in the world) do they count as museums? Anyway there are nearly 7000 museums in Germany... if you like you can visit 500 music festivals, thousands of local festivals and so on...

We don't need to hope that some ultra wealthy will finance what HE likes... we have a public system that supports every kind of art, so that everyone can visit, watch and listen what he likes and not what a billionaire likes.
There is a lot more to life on this rock than simple sustenance and yes, there is a ton of money spent on things that could have been spent on food and shelter for the poor instead. C'est la vie (literally).
And if you do it right, you could have both... sadly the USA relies on some billionaires and has to decide between food and art.
 
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Damn... I missed the parks.
Even large cities, Like Hamburg and Dortmund dedicate 70% of their area to mother nature.

8 of the 10 most green cities are located in Europe - the other two are Sydney and Auckland.




Sorry, I wrote so much about Germany. I know your critique was about whole Europe... but what counts for Germany, counts for Europe as well.
 
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Damn... I missed the parks.
Even large cities, Like Hamburg and Dortmund dedicate 70% of their area to mother nature.

8 of the 10 most green cities are located in Europe - the other two are Sydney and Auckland.

Sorry, I wrote so much about Germany. I know your critique was about whole Europe... but what counts for Germany, counts for Europe as well.

It was an explanation, not a critique.
 

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We pay twice as much tax so people don't have to beg for healthcare, housing, food etc etc.

These are substantial donations even for people who can afford them. The point of the OP is that so much money is available so quickly for a building, whilst people have to wait in line. I don't know the wealth details of these donors, nor their normal charitable habits, so I can't comment on them personally. Though I would agree with the observation that we oooohh and aahhh over celebrity wealth given which in reality would be like a normal person giving $10.
 
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You puppet muppet.

We pay twice as much tax so people don't have to beg for healthcare, housing, food etc etc.

These are substantial donations even for people who can afford them. The point of the OP is that so much money is available so quickly for a building, whilst people have to wait in line. I don't know the wealth details of these donors, nor their normal charitable habits, so I can't comment on them personally. Though I would agree with the observation that we oooohh and aahhh over celebrity wealth given which in reality would be like a normal person giving $10.
Maybe I should take people off of my ignore list... totally forgot that I had two on my list.
It's way more fun to answer their posts.

Your $10 comparison is very close...
In general do people with an average income donate more of their income as wealthy (in percent of the income)

Numbers for Germany are 2% of the averages, 0.14% of the wealthy with more than 1 million per year.

It's strange that we have this statistics. Usually the German government tries everything to avoid statistics that include the ultra wealthy.