November 5, 2008- January 19, 2009- A really scary time

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  1. swordfishME

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    Say the polls are right and it happens: Obama wins and the Dems make gains in congress. This will make the time period between the election and when the new Congress convenes (Jan 3rd) and Obama takes office (Jan 20th) a really scary time for most.

    The outgoing administration and Republicans in congress will try their best to tie Obama's hands for the first few months/years that he is in power. We may see the commitment of US resources to endveours that Obama probably opposes and once this commitment it will take time to reverse or will have to be carried out as pledged.

    This always happens when the White House changes hands (esp. when the Party changes) but I am really afraid of what is going to be done this time, esp. if the losses for the Republicans are going to be as stagerring as the polling seems to predict. We are in for a few months of holding our breath and seeing what happens. :frown1:
     
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    Tell me again why you wait 2 1/2 months after the election to actually change executives?
     
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    processing time to allow for mistakes?

    The founding Fathers probably liked thinking that you would be president at the beginning of the year to the end instead of November to November as well.
     
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    Well, it's not 2 1/2 months after "the" election:

    November 4, we elect our delegates to the Electoral College
    December 15, each slate of electors meets within their own states and transmits their votes to Congress.
    January 6 (2009), the votes of the electoral college are counted in a joint session of Congress
    January 20 (two weeks later), the new president is sworn in.

    We've just got a long dragged-out process for selecting our president and vice president. That process takes two months; the transition formally takes just two weeks.
     
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    Because the incoming executive must have a staff in place and be brought up to speed on classified materials he probably has not had access to prior to election.

    The period between election and taking office is a period to vet and woo cabinet members, re-organize from campaign staff to White house staff, finalize campaign contribution book keeping and assignation of monies or debts.

    The outgoing administration will remove nearly all furniture and destroy ALL computers.- the incoming administration needs to re-build all of this from scratch.



    As to what Bush and the republicans could do before the end... this is partly why it is so important to vote for Obama, even if it looks like he's got it cinched.

    He needs MORE than just to win- he needs to win overwhelmingly... to create a MANDATE that the outgoing republicans will be loathe to counter for fear of doing even MORE damage to republican prospects.

    Right now the republicans are ALREADY fucking around with the nature of the bailout- it looks like they will try and turn it into a money grab for the wealthy corporate elite- to ensure cushy board positions for all those outgoing republican congressmen and White House staffers.


    What the Congress can do to prevent this is to mount massive investigations of ANY questionable activity with a strong push for criminal charges.... and the clear message that these criminal charges will be brought AFTER Bush leaves office so there will be no pardons at the last minute.

    They can also make clear to outgoing republicans who are parleying for board positions that if they fuck around in the last months, their "corporations" will not even get to BID on contracts in the future.
     
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    Does any other country take 2 1/2 months to change governments?
     
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    Why would that time be any scarier than between November 5th and January 3rd? Either way it will be a Democratic Congress and Republican White House.

    Actually almost all of the transitions have been pretty orderly. About the worst thing that happens is that the outgoing president makes some questionable pardons and appointments. Bush Sr. pardoned some of the Iran-Contra cronies and Clinton pardoned at least one dubious fundraiser/indicted suspect.

    As others mentioned, there really is a huge number of staff and Cabinet appointments to decide. Thousands of them. It just takes quite a while to choose and vet them, even if you start before election day.

    It used to be an even longer transition. Until a constitutional amendment in the 1930s, the president's term didn't end until March. For much of the nation's history, it was a major logistical issue to get the new administration to Washington from many parts of the country, especially since the president appointed almost the entire executive branch before civil service reform. In the days before railroads, it could easily take a month just to travel from, say, Illinois to Washington, DC, in wintertime. Also, in the early years the states didn't all vote on the same day and it took quite a while to count the votes.
     
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    We may not agree politically but I can definitely appreciate that at least you either know what the hell your talking about, or are bright enough to research it before you blindly post. Thank you.
     
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    It really doesn't matter if Obama announces his entire Cabinet line-up in his victory speech and manages to get the lot confirmed the next day. They will still not take office until 12::00 pm EST on January 20th 2009. Up until that time George W. Bush is the President of the United States.
     
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    To me the chances of the Republicans and the Bush administration screwing things up improves if the Party suffers losses that they believe that they cannot recoup in the next couple of election cycles- because they then know for sure that it will be a while before they are back in any sort of power.
     
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    Is the USA the only country in the world with a large executive infrastructure?
     
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    Does any other country have the candidates start campaigning for what seems like a year before the election? I hope not. (I'm tired of the whole thing - but I will vote.)
     
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    You may be tired of the whole election cycle--we all are, I suppose--but, that is the way things are done in this messy republic which is trying in fits and starts to demonstrate to the world that here the people really are the sovereign power. Can you guess what would have been the shape of the contest for President if the two parties had really been able, without consulting the people in any manner, to select the two candidates? You can be sure that Obama and McCain would not have been the choices.

    But, even our political parties are not as important as the media generally seems to credit them as being. The genius of Obama was that he was able to "game the system" because he and his advisors did the homework necessary. Iowa with its caucus system was ready for picking by a person with organizational skills the Obama supporters provided. A couple hundred thousand people participated in the process by which Obama became a creditable candidate. Note that McCain the Republican skipped Iowa for the most part and concentrated on New Hampshire, the next state up for decision.

    As one of the few members who remembers the years of the Great Depression when ordinary farmers and workers did dare to make their claims in ways that scared the hell out of the American establishment. We did get some very necessary changes as a result, changes which those of us who are collecting Social Security benefits do well to remember. We've come a long way, but we have still much that has to be done to make this truly the land where the people rule.
     
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