NYC Meetup - THIS SATURDAY NIGHT (Jan 29th)

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You can roll your eyes but she knows what I am talking about. I am not going to get into some of the things she said but lame. I chat with a lot of locals here both male and female and what is comes down to is prostitution so by meeting someone like her, it disqualifies them from meeting me since I would rather not have her petri dish STD sloppy seconds
 

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You can roll your eyes but she knows what I am talking about. I am not going to get into some of the things she said but lame. I chat with a lot of locals here both male and female and what is comes down to is prostitution so by meeting someone like her, it disqualifies them from meeting me since I would rather not have her petri dish STD sloppy seconds

:rolleyes:

Maybe you should have your own thread then?
 

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Hah! Now it's getting good. I was expecting to get these types of responses earlier -- what took you so long, SizeQueenNY? Was it the fact that I wasn't charging LPSG members? Well, I did tell most of those I invited that I would appreciate donations to help pay for the suite and my staff (yes, we had security, a bartender, and a hostess).

Before you made such gross accusations, perhaps you should do a little more research. First, I operate a non-profit to throw these parties (both the Behind Closed Doors couples and single ladies only parties and well as XXXtreme Events, which is also open to select single males). Why a non-profit? First, I have a real job. Second, it allows me to be selective. I throw the only parties that cater specifically to a young (under 40) and very attractive crowd. I am a swinger who was sorely disappointed by the venues I attended, which were filled with old, unattractive people. So, I took matters into my own hands and starting throwing very exclusive, upscale parties.

Word spread and I was featured as a cover story in Time Out NY. Then NY Press, and then L Magazine. I've been on Playboy Radio and even the NY Post and Hollywood Today has covered us. The positive press means people looking for this sort of thing -- the most elite swing parties in the country -- flock to me. Porn stars come out regularly. You want big dick? I met Lex Steele at a party.

Was I insulting LPSG? No. LPSG is a great forum. But the meet-up section seems to be filled with people who don't want to actually meet up. Many want to chat, they want to check out pics -- that's it. You communicate with lots of people, hm? How many have you actually met (as a percentage)? I'm looking for no-nonsense meets myself, not endless conversation.

Regarding prostitution -- did you just throw the word out there to insult me? I am an attorney, so I can tell you exactly what is legal in the state of New York. Throwing a private swing party is legal. Selling tickets to a swing party is also legal. Collecting membership fees for a swingers group is legal, too. I have several cops and politicians who regularly attend my parties, and I have never had a single problem with the law. What CAN get you in trouble in NYC is operating a swing club -- it's against the health code (Sanitary Code 24-2.2 which states, that no establishment shall make facilities available for the purpose of sexual activities where anal intercourse, vaginal intercourse or fellatio take place. "Such facilities shall constitute a threat to the public health.") The Code traces its origins to the onset of the AIDS epidemic. There is no mention of protected or unprotected sexual activities in the Code; and the Code is extremely broad. I'm actually fighting with a gay rights group to have this outdated code section updated to include the word "unprotected."

As for your STD fantasy, let me bring you back to reality. I've been in the lifestyle with my partner for the better part of a decade (since my early 20s) -- and I am 100% STD free. Why? Since swinging is couple-centric, that means that most people participating are semi-monogamous. Swinging with people in the lifestyle is a whole lot safer than meeting someone at a bar, or even a stranger off a forum. What I can tell you is that the most recent STD studies from the Center for Disease Control state that most of the STD’s in the United States are found in high school and college age kids, low income African-American neighborhoods and the Gay community (summarized from various diseases). Before you attack me for being racist, that wasn't in insult -- that's a fact from the CDC. But swingers were nowhere on their list… Try to search for the word “swingers” on the CDC website and it comes up with zero results. Not what you would expect if the swinger community were swimming with STDs.

I'm not sure why you would be so negative and attack me for no reason. Maybe you just need to get some action from a big cock or two from the forum who is actually willing to meet up.
 

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You're a non profit? You operate as a 501 c 3? It doesn't matter how many places covered you, it doesn't make you credible. I don't need to tell you how many people I have met here and interact with. I interact with enough to hear about your failed party at your place in Brooklyn trying to charge guys $55 and you complained about the attendance(guys did not show because it is PROSTITUTION) and they googled you to find old craigslist related to you. You mislead people and did not tell them about non lpsg paying for the event, people do not want to be used for your profit. As far as getting cock is concerned, I do just fine on my own. Lets not forget some of the reasons your old account was closed. The site is not going to support you promoting prostitution
 

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Brooklyn? I have never thrown a party in Brooklyn, LOL. Perhaps you are talking about someone else. The only party in Brooklyn was Chemistry and Club Amante's operates there. Casbar used to have a club in Brooklyn that was shut down over a year ago.

And yes, we are a not-for-profit corporation formed under NYS law with 501(c)(3) tax exemptions.

Before you start name calling and making accusations -- you should realize I do these parties for FUN. I regularly hook up, and always have a great time (as do all the women attending). There is no fun in inviting a ridiculous number of single males. I always aim for a 2:1 guy to girl ratio because many of the women attending are looking for more than 1 guy (the whole point of the XXXtreme parties is for women who enjoy multiple males).

Either way, prostitution is not inviting more males than females. Prostitution is the exchange of money for sex. Attendance at my parties does not guarantee sex any more than going to Pacha or Webster Hall (clubs in NYC) would... If a guy doesn't have the skill -- or is a prick, he won't get laid. It's pretty simple.

And -- if these parties were in any way "shady" I would not sell tickets exclusively online (NO cash at the door is accepted). That means all that money is declared -- and since it's a non-profit corporations, all the money collected has to go toward the parties. I am very straight-forward and always provide full-disclosure about these things, so it's quite odd that you've taken such offense to me inviting a few guys from here to the party. I wasn't complaining about the attendance numbers at the party, but rather the attendance from the LPSG members I invited.

As I said, you don't have to worry about me recruiting guys here. I have no intention or reason for doing so. But, if you do want to see how real and non-"shady" I am, why don't you help me co-host a 100% FREE LPSG-ONLY get-together this weekend? I'll get a hotel suite again, and you can invite whomever you want (I'll leave the entire guest list to you). Maybe then you can see how difficult it is to organize these things and get real responses.

FYI - Another female contacted me on here and shared my frustration -- she had tried to arrange a get-together and was sorely disappointed.
 

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I speak with a lot of locals too but the words prostitution and swinger never come up lol. You haven't spoken to the validity of that website, which reads "required donation." Is it required or just appreciated?
 

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"As for your STD fantasy, let me bring you back to reality. I've been in the lifestyle with my partner for the better part of a decade (since my early 20s) -- and I am 100% STD free. Why? Since swinging is couple-centric, that means that most people participating are semi-monogamous."

In other words, four of the chambers are empty... Feel lucky? That's reality.
 

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Anyone who registers via the website is required to purchase a ticket to come to an event. However, I have the freedom to invite anyone else I choose, as my personal guest. That was the idea behind posting here, to invite a very select number of hot guys/couples/women to a smaller event for the sake of meeting. Funny enough, I did not post to promote my own website (especially because that was what got my last account banned) -- but, as a result of some genius posting the link in this thread, I've gotten a ridiculous amount of hits and applications from guys who want to join. Thanks!

Regarding prostitution, this is just getting comical, SizeQueenNY. Did you happen to go to law school?

Perhaps you should take a look at some recent case law. "[P]rostitution is and has always been intuitively defined as a bilateral exchange between a prostitute and client. To assert that the legislature had a different definition in mind--bereft of even a single citation to legislative history or precedential case-law--is, in effect, petitioning this court to capriciously attach an anomalous definition to a perfectly intuitive word in a statute. Such a result contravenes the very essence of statutory interpretation." People v. Jenny Paulino, 2005 N.Y. Misc. LEXIS 3430;234 N.Y.L.J. 24.

And that's exactly what you are doing -- attempting to "capriciously attach an anomalous definition to a perfectly intuitive word in a statute." I do not prostitute myself, nor any of the guests. I organize an event in which people pay to enter, which is no different than any other club or party -- except for the fact that, if the right chemistry exists between two (or more) people, sex is permitted on-premises.

Now that I clearly have the law on my side, I'll address the STD concerns. As I originally posted, EVERYONE uses condoms. In fact, most of the women attending will not even in engage in unprotected oral sex! And, as I previously mentioned, this is a hell of a lot safer than meeting a stranger at a bar/club/online, getting drunk, and doing something you can't even remember. Instead of chopping quotes from my posts, why not do what I suggested -- go to the CDC website and attempt to find "swingers" anywhere. Those who are truly in the "Lifestyle" know how to play safe, and are regularly tested. You can't say that for any other group that engages in recreational sex -- including those great guys you meet online. If you don't want my "sloppy seconds," you're going to have to quarantine your pussy, as you really never know who has done whom in the past -- and guys will say (or deny) anything to get laid.

Bottom line, play safe :)
 

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Interesting. You do solicit money for tickets for people to attend your parties. These people have the expectation of sex, your argument of chemistry is basically ridiculous. Then you invite "hot young and hung" men to come from lpsg to a "non-paid event." Does inviting people for free based on their sexual attractiveness to an otherwise paid sex romp constitute a "fee?" Are these hot guys promised to people who pay for access to the event?
You may not be profiting in a strict sense, but you require payment to pay for the hotels and security to keep your non-profit afloat - which gives you greater access to sex. Based on your "quarantine a pussy" post, it seems you love this, therefore I'd call it a profit.
You say most of the women do not engage in unprotected oral sex. "Most." But the law includes fellatio as violating the health code. And, as of now, it doesn't mention unprotected as a qualifying factor, so is your legality based solely on you moving from midtown suite to another midtown suite?
I'm not suggesting what you do is illegal, but it definitely dances on the edge. I'm all for it in fact, as long as you enjoy it. I'm just annoyed by the fact that you say you don't talk shit and yet every post you fill with your press, how lpsg likes to hide behind a computer, and how your pussy has seen half the dicks in New York.
But continued fun.
 

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This really isn't very productive because having debates on the law isn't very fun when people don't know the law... As I mentioned, I am an attorney. I went to a top law school and have worked both at a top law firm and for the state (for a judge). Not talking shit doesn't mean I can't boast of my success or the success of my parties.

First, even if I solicit tickets, so what? As per my previous post, unless those tickets were being sold with the intent of promising sex to a person, it is not prostitution. Your definition of prostitution doesn't matter, what matters is the definition as it appears in the NY Penal Code:

A person is guilty of prostitution when such person engages or agrees or offers to engage in sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee.

Selling tickets to swing parties is legal throughout the United States. There are literally hundreds of swinger clubs and parties in the United States. The fact that tickets are sold to an event where sexual activity takes place does not make it prostitution.

There are currently 4 stationary swinger clubs in NYC and around a dozen roaming parties. The New York State Sanitary Code (Section 24-2.2) prohibits commercial establishments where sex occurs: “No establishment shall make facilities available for the purpose of sexual activities where anal intercourse, vaginal intercourse or fellatio take place. Such facilities shall constitute a threat to the public health.” That affects ONLY stationary swinger clubs (e.g. "establishments"). Roaming swing parties are not affected by the Sanitary Code so long as they are private since health inspectors would not be able to attend these events.

The Sanitary Code is NOT a law. It is arule has been employed by Department of Health and Mental Hygiene for many years to regulate and close bathhouses and other commercial establishments in which sexual activity takes place. Inspectors working for DOHMH visit commercial establishments in which they have heard sexual activity is occurring. If they witness sexual activity, the establishment receives a warning letter and further inspections, and if further inspections identify continued public sexual activity, the establishment is closed. Enforcement actions have been used for bathhouses, sex clubs, gay bars, and adult bookstores in which sexual activity takes place. In the past several years few establishments have met these criteria for closure.

How do clubs like Trapeze continue to exist in NYC in light of the Health Code? My guess is (1) they are either paying off the right people, (2) are frequented by influential people who make sure that it will continue to exist, and/or (3) due to the fact that getting naked is required before being allowed access into those areas of the club where sexual activity is permitted (not every club is like that).

There is actually a very rampant prostitution problem in many of the NYC clubs. Women solicit on Craig's List to find guys that will pay them to attend couples-only clubs like Trapeze and the management looks the other way. Unfortunately, those Johns also try to treat the other women there as if they are prostitutes (e.g. they touch whomever they please and expect every woman will hook up with them). No one likes that, especially not the "real" women who go there for fun. I never allow prostitutes to attend my parties; in fact, the one LPSG guy I asked to leave the party had brought a girl who looked like a prostitute but was totally disinterested in doing anything, which is why she was asked to leave. When people do not come because they want to have fun (or at least, watch and remain respectful), they are not welcome. For that purpose, I also screen "couples" to make sure they are really in some kind of relationship. The one thing you can credit me with is creating a very safe, approachable environment where women rule.

Further, no men (or women) are ever "promised" to people who paid for access. The accusation is pretty ludicrous. I posted that I was upset that many of the people I invited did not show, and that I received more requests to chat and exchange pictures than anything else. And out of those who tried to converse me with, most had pretty sad pickup lines.

I do like the idea that my getting in on action is "profit." You're right, if there was nothing in it for me, I wouldn't throw these parties.
As I mentioned, I've even fucked Lex Steele -- who likes to come out to swing parties. There really isn't a price that can be associated with that kind of fun. But wait, since Lex Steele gives money to girls for shooting a porn scene (he's a producer/director and owner of Mercenary Pictures, after all) -- isn't that prostitution? Oh no! Maybe you guys can send him angry emails in between watching his videos on all the porn tubes.

LOL, people seriously just need to go out and have some responsible, safe fun instead of debating legal points with someone who wrote a brief on the subject :)
 

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I know someone at the event and they were disgusted by the lack of condoms and protection on people. I also know the guy who went with the Asian girl. She is not a prostitute, she was turned off by the appearance of everyone. You sold it as young and attractive well no one there was attractive. You also posted the event on craigslist so how is that screening. I am not a swinger, it is not my scene personally but I have friends who are and that used to throw parties. You are not that sort, they are a community and you are a prostitute
 

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Oh, really? You know someone at the event? That's funny because the guy with the date was the only one who came out from LPSG. And, he apologized for her behavior and said she was sorry. Why the hell are you so goddamn angry? The event was not advertised on Craigslist, LOL. You're entire post history seems to be filled with nasty replies to other threads too.

Young and attractive is correct... no one was over 40, and everyone was in shape. If you weren't there how the hell can you comment? In fact, that Asian girl was trying to pick up two single women who came out because she didn't feel comfortable.

This was the guys private message to me:

hello - i'm writing to sincerely apologize for my date's behavior on saturday night.

the girl i brought's initial reaction was one of excitement to go to the party and i believe she got very nervous as the night continued, and thus, led to her ridiculous, immature, bordering on very, very stupid actions.

what you put on is a very cool, very well run, very mature event and i thought everyone was very friendly, very respectful and most importantly, very ready to do what they were there to do - my date was not and unlike the very other few people who were not 100 % ready to go, she made a scene and that was absolutely the wrong thing to do. i felt very embarresed personally as well as she dragged me into it - it was not something i wanted to do. I feel responsible for it all by bringing her but please realize, i had no clue that she would a) not participate AT ALL and b) do what she did.

Please understand that i sincerely appreciate you inviting me and that i think your event(s) are a fantastic thing and that you are a wonderful and gracious hostess/MC - please accept my sincerest apologies for my date's actions - even she has admitted how dumb she was for doing what she did.

At which point I replied and told him that it was OK. He again responded --
I totally understand - i really did enjoy myself even though i felt like i couldn't really do anything with my date acting the way she did and all. It's a very cool scene you run and i'm glad the two other women eventually did get involved.

thank you for accepting the apology as i felt awful about it the past few days.


I'll tell him to post on this thread to verify. Then maybe we can get the facts, and move on.
 

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Oh, really? You know someone at the event? That's funny because the guy with the date was the only one who came out from LPSG. And, he apologized for her behavior and said she was sorry. Why the hell are you so goddamn angry? The event was not advertised on Craigslist, LOL. You're entire post history seems to be filled with nasty replies to other threads too.

Young and attractive is correct... no one was over 40, and everyone was in shape. If you weren't there how the hell can you comment? In fact, that Asian girl was trying to pick up two single women who came out because she didn't feel comfortable.

I said before, I know other people that were there. I know people that swing. They were disappointed by the turn out. I am not angry, I am direct. I give direct responses because throwing sugar on what I say is a waste of time. In shape does not mean attractive. I can show you enough hung guys that are well built but not attractive
 

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I said before, I know other people that were there. I know people that swing. They were disappointed by the turn out. I am not angry, I am direct. I give direct responses because throwing sugar on what I say is a waste of time. In shape does not mean attractive. I can show you enough hung guys that are well built but not attractive

So you are pissed because the event was disappointing?
 

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Attractive is of course subjective. Perhaps your swinging friends can enlighten me as to where I can find a more attractive crowd, as I have been to even event and club in the city and can personally attest to the fact that the average age is always OVER 40 and most people are out of shape. Maybe your "people" went to another party -- or are totally bs'ing you. The vast majority of the guests were regulars and had attended events before -- it was a very small party, so I spoke with everyone.

As I mentioned, we had 6 couples, 3 single women, and 8 guys come out. Of the 6 couples, 1 (besides the LPSG guy and his date) was new and they hooked up literally a half hour after the event started with another hot couple and a single guy.

Of the single guys, 2 were new. Both of them had a kick-ass time, and wrote thank you emails to follow up.

Of the single girls, both of the new single girls the LPSG guy's date was talking to had a ball. One signed up for the next BCD couples party. Retaining single females means that the party was a complete success and was very approachable.

Again, I don't have to go through all this as it is really no one's business, but I take insults very seriously. I listen to my attendees and am constantly improving the parties. Anyway, I intend to write a re-cap on my blog about the event as well, which of course will be more detailed. I asked the LPSG guy to post with his comments on what he saw...
 

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"Financial gain" -- seriously? Whatever, this is a complete waste of my time. Read some of the above, including the fact that this is done for fun -- and not for profit.