Obama’s Infomercial Deceit and Starving Dogs

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  1. 1BiGG1

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    ObamaBot’s will be in for many grand disappointments ala Bill Clinton's promise for health care if he does get the White House but try telling them that ahead of time you would think somebody stuffed a sausage down their throats and showed a starving dog their assholes by the way they respond!

    Obama's prime-time ad skips over budget realities - Yahoo! News

    Obama's prime-time ad skips over budget realities

    WASHINGTON – Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was less than upfront in his half-hour commercial Wednesday night about the costs of his programs and the crushing budget pressures he would face in office.
    Obama's assertion that "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond" the expense of his promises is accepted only by his partisans. His vow to save money by "eliminating programs that don't work" masks his failure throughout the campaign to specify what those programs are — beyond the withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

    A sampling of what voters heard in the ad, and what he didn't tell them:

    THE SPIN: "That's why my health care plan includes improving information technology, requires coverage for preventive care and pre-existing conditions and lowers health care costs for the typical family by $2,500 a year."

    THE FACTS: His plan does not lower premiums by $2,500, or any set amount. Obama hopes that by spending $50 billion over five years on electronic medical records and by improving access to proven disease management programs, among other steps, consumers will end up saving money. He uses an optimistic analysis to suggest cost reductions in national health care spending could amount to the equivalent of $2,500 for a family of four. Many economists are skeptical those savings can be achieved, but even if they are, it's not a certainty that every dollar would be passed on to consumers in the form of lower premiums.


    THE SPIN: "I also believe every American has a right to affordable health care."

    THE FACTS: That belief should not be confused with a guarantee of health coverage for all. He makes no such promise. Obama hinted as much in the ad when he said about the problem of the uninsured: "I want to start doing something about it." He would mandate coverage for children but not adults. His program is aimed at making insurance more affordable by offering the choice of government-subsidized coverage similar to that in a plan for federal employees and other steps, including requiring larger employers to share costs of insuring workers.


    THE SPIN: "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond their cost."

    THE FACTS: Independent analysts say both Obama and Republican John McCain would deepen the deficit. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates Obama's policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years — and that analysis accepts the savings he claims from spending cuts. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, whose other findings have been quoted approvingly by the Obama campaign, says: "Both John McCain and Barack Obama have proposed tax plans that would substantially increase the national debt over the next 10 years." The analysis goes on to say: "Neither candidate's plan would significantly increase economic growth unless offset by spending cuts or tax increases that the campaigns have not specified."


    THE SPIN: "Here's what I'll do. Cut taxes for every working family making less than $200,000 a year. Give businesses a tax credit for every new employee that they hire right here in the U.S. over the next two years and eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. Help homeowners who are making a good faith effort to pay their mortgages, by freezing foreclosures for 90 days. And just like after 9-11, we'll provide low-cost loans to help small businesses pay their workers and keep their doors open. "

    THE FACTS: His proposals — the tax cuts, the low-cost loans, the $15 billion a year he promises for alternative energy, and more — cost money, and the country could be facing a record $1 trillion deficit next year. Indeed, Obama recently acknowledged — although not in his commercial — that: "The next president will have to scale back his agenda and some of his proposals."



     
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    You'd get more credibility if you stopped using yahoo news as your source.Yahoo stories are sourced with the AP. They are well known to have a Bias towards McCain and tilt ALL of their stories in that direction. Many major news outlets are starting to drop the AP service beause of perceived bias.
     
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    Yes, just as many cable providers are dropping MSNBC for their bias toward Dems.

    Please. Facts are facts, despite one's political bent.
     
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    Who should he trust...MSNBC....:lmao::lmao::lmao:
     
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    ANYONE but the AP(and Fox)
     
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    Oh...I get it...whichever news media makes my candidate look and spins things to make my side ...

    Stick to the topic!
     
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    You said "many": name two.
     
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    There is no topic, just a worthless Diatribe on Obama from the Associated Press.
     
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    Which news outlets are allegedly dropping the AP for this alleged reason, source and list please.

    And the facts within speak for themselves so please stop hiding behind false-fronts and address the content.
     
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    As Industrialsize pointed out this was actually an AP article hosted on a Yahoo site. Worse, it was by Calvin Woodward -- the same guy who once blasted Nancy Pelosi for being too economical.

    Anyway, Woodward has done a reasonably good job of mixing enough truth in this piece to make it credible. Compared to the drivel I usually see on here, it's pretty solid:

    This is true. But...

    The "among other steps" are probably the most significant part of the plan, which Woodward omits. These include:

    • Raising the availability of lower-cost generic drugs;
    • Capping malpractice insurance premiums;
    • Investing in disease prevention programs (this is different from disease management)

    And yet none of them were interviewed or cited for Woodward's attack piece. We're simply to take Woodward's word for this.

    Even if we take Woodward's word, what if the skeptics are right, and instead of saving families an average of $2500, the families save only (say) $1800? How is that not an improvement over the current situation?

    Right, and? Where's the alleged deceit? A promise to make something "affordable" isn't a promise to force you to buy it. The only people he's requiring to be insured are those not yet old enough to be legally responsible for their own health care.

    This was a significant difference between Obama and Clinton, that difference has been highly publicized, and it's misleading to suggest that Obama hasn't been 'upfront' on this point.

    Heh. This is rich.

    A perfectly balanced budget (revenues exactly equal spending) results in an increase in the existing national debt, because the debt from previous administrations continues to accrue interest. In order to pay down the debt, a budget must be even more thrifty than balanced: revenues must equal spending, plus interest on existing debt, and wouldn't it be nice to have an eensy bit left over to pay down some of that principal?

    The U.S. Treasury reports that the interest on the national debt was $451 billion dollars for fiscal year 2008. Accordingly, a "balanced budget" would still accrue $451x4 = 1.35 trillion dollars in additional debt (approximately) over the next four years. Woodward's nonpartisan center estimates that Obama's plan for responsible spending will reverse that trend by about 68% over the next four years.

    If those estimates are true, then Obama will have been even more successful during his first term than Clinton was during his first term: It took Clinton eight years to halt the growth of the national debt, bringing it to a halt briefly during his last year in office.

    In other words, CRFB is making a fabulous (for the Democrats) prediction which Woodward is trying to make sound negative.

    And Woodward is tap-dancing around the unmentioned biggest monetary waste in the federal budget, and that's the boondoggle in Iraq. Woodward mentions "$15 billion a year" for alternative energy, and (earlier) "$50 billion
    over five years" to promote health care.

    But Obama could fund both of these programs for his entire first term simply by bringing the troops home a mere ten months earlier than Bush or McCain would. Woodward never mentions Iraq anywhere in his hit piece, because it's such an obvious drain on the national resources he doesn't want you to think about how that one fiasco could pay for many of Obama's proposals.
     
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    Convenient of you to insist on sources yourself, huh, but anyway:

    It's hard to say what the reason is in these cases, because the Associated Press also implemented a significant rate hike this year, and news outlets are dropping the AP for that reason as well.

    Here's a partial list, though:

    • Chicago Tribune, LA Times, Baltimore Sun, Newport News Daily Press. (source)
    • Minneapolis Star-Tribune, Spokane Spokesman-Review, Idaho Falls Post Register, Bakersfield Californian, Yakima Herald-Republic, Wenatchee World (source)
    • Dow Jones news wire (source)
    • New York Daily News (source)
     
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    Cable providers dropping MSNBC for bias and not FOX?

    Could those be the ones owned by Rupert Murdock?



    God you republican's are just getting more and more vile by the day.


    McCain will NOT make you rich... you have to ALREADY BE RICH to get McCain's tax cuts....


    The only purpose of tax cuts in a disaster is to get the CONSUMER to spend money.

    McCain's tax cuts to the rich will NOT make that happen... the Rich will take their tax free money and invest OFFSHORE in economies that are growing. And you idiotic republican middle classers will be left in the lurch.


    McCain will refuse to cut Offense spending, will Borrow EVEN MORE money to fund his tax cut. And be forced to cut government programs like infrastructure maintenance and funding to science and research--- cutting funding to the very areas which are, sadly, the ONLY hope we have of re-invigorating the economy.

    He made fun of tire inflation as a means to save oil- even though it would save as much oil in the next ten years as we would get out of ANWR.

    He ridiculed Fruit fly research which has been the most productive branch of research in genetics...

    Palin accuses Obama of palling around with a PLO guy... the SAME guy McCain GAVE $500,000 dollars of YOUR tax money in 1998....

    McCain will PURSUE the SAME republican economic policies that CREATED the fiasco..


    Wake up and join the more intelligent members of your OWN PARTY.
    Endorse Obama for your own sake if not for the sake of your nation.

    Seriously-- not ONE of Obama's initiatives is "socialism".
    His economic plan has ben vetted by Warren Buffet and several other economic experts....

    His plan for getting the economy moving again is vastly superior than McCain's transferring even MORE money to the already rich.

    And he has demonstrated FAR better judgment not only how he conducts his campaign and his treatment of his opponent... but in his choice of running mate than has McCain.

    McCain is a shrill, angry, desperate jackass who will stoop to ANYTHING, any slander, lie or even fraud, to get elected.

    Obama has far greater intelligence, far cooler temperament, and actually consults with experts and UNDERSTANDS their reasoning before making a decision.

    McCain has proven his judgment is poor, his character is weak.
    His campaign's attacks on Obama have been beneath him, beneath any person running for president.

    Vote Against the Geezer Dingbat ticket.

    Vote for the man who has shown the leadership qualities needed to bring this nation together...

    Not for the fear monger, and the imbecile likely to succeed him.
     
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    Let’s not pretend I have a problem providing sources because when you do and it’s not true you sound just like Michael Moore.

    And apparently you misunderstood my question, I asked Industrialsize “which news outlets are allegedly dropping the AP for this alleged reason, source and list please” that “reason” being his alleging “many major news outlets are starting to drop the AP service because of perceived bias” and none of the sources you listed said anything about that. :rolleyes:
     
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    The AP as run by Fournier and Murdoch is crap:
    New-Media Focus Splits Associated Press Members - WSJ.com

    Newspapers Cancel AP Service

    by Michael D

    Tue Aug 26, 2008 at 09:57:39 PM PDT

    (From the diaries -- kos)
    In case you're wondering why The Associated Press is so zealously defensive about people saying newspapers don't need them, it's because newspapers don't need them.
    The Minneapolis Star-Tribune is the latest paper to cancel AP service. In Washington, The Spokesman Review of Spokane canceled around the same time that The Bakersfield Californian cut ties. Several smaller newspapers have joined in. In Ohio, eight of the top newspapers, including The Cleveland Plain Dealer, The Columbus Dispatch, The Cincinnati Enquirer and The Toledo Blade, decided to create their own network, the Ohio News Organization. Now they share local news without submitting it to the AP.
    You can expect this trend to continue.
    The reason is that with multiple 24-hour news networks, countless news sites online, and even news content on cell phones, consumers can access news from almost anywhere for free. Commoditized news like what the AP offers doesn't add much value to a newspaper while costing newspapers hundreds of thousands, even millions of dollars a year. Even after newspapers demanded the Associated Press reduce its fees next year, that cut of approximately 10% still makes the AP a very large budget item for progressively smaller newspaper budgets.
    The Associated Press's response to the changing media landscape has been less than impressive. Most famously, it was ridiculed for trying to charge bloggers for using five-word excerpts at up to $2.50 a word. With the increasing threat of mass newspaper cancellation, it's easy to understand why the AP has been so reactive and heavy-handed lately. While Ron Fournier's predecessor worries, "I just hope he doesn't destroy it", the slow death of the AP may continue regardless.
     
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    Quite right, there is a substantive difference between pretending and being delusional.



    Gay republicans....what absolute tools.
    ... so very desperate to belong to a group that loathes them and would deny them equal rights....

    Can't even TELL where their own interests really lie, nor when their own pundits and politicians lie.

    Just think- If McCain wins and croaks you get Palin... and homophobia will once more become a government endorsed family value.
     
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    The AP is for mccain. that is frigging hilarious.

    AP News | www.tucsoncitizen.com

    The project judged 57 percent of the stories about McCain as negative, with 14 percent positive. The rest were neutral. Obama's coverage was mixed: 36 ...
    hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CAMPAIGN_MEDIA?SITE=AZTUC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFA... - 92k - Cached - Similar pages

    look up positive vs. negative stories about BO. The MSm is so in the tank for BO that I hope to any god that exists that McCain wins - just so they can eat their own crap.
     
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    Can I suggest looking into seeing an eye doctor to change your current prescription or getting much needed correction in your vision if you don’t already have one because you are seeing things that do not exist.

    You said: “They are well known to have a Bias towards McCain and tilt ALL of their stories in that direction. Many major news outlets are starting to drop the AP service beause of perceived bias."

    And your article mentioned zero about that.
     
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    I clicked your link.....I stand by my statement...the AP is crap
     
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    Oh, hey, guys, guess what!?

    Both candidates stretch and twist the truth.
    Surprising, I know.
     
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    Sorry for you Phil but apparently you missed the part where this election is about more than gays and I’m not one that votes on only that issue. There are more important things to be concerned with but you go right ahead as you have a right to do just that no matter how much of a simpleton label you garner form it.
     
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