Obama and the Dems said they envision Eliminating Private Insurance...Lest We Forget

[B_Nick4444]

more name calling and ad hominem attacks from the left

intellectual and moral poverty or desperation?

 

[maxcok]

more name calling and ad hominem attacks from the Reich

intellectual and moral poverty or desperation?

There, fixed that for ya. Perfect description of the party of Nein and their teabagging lackeys.

The fact that you are oblivious to the blatant irony is astonishing.

 

[D_RAND0MNESS]

precisely the strategy the Dems will be implementing

given that their package as a whole is overwhelmingly rejected by the majority of Americans, the Dems will proceed by taking the small incremental parts of the Obama health care package that support can be mustered for, getting those enacted, and then proceeding with another increment

the tried and true method used historically by other despots and dictators

I totally agree. We did not vote for Obama because he wanted healthcare reform. McCain didn't want any kind of healthcare reform because it was too socialist and we don't want socialism. Obama is cramming healthcare down American's throats against their will!

We liked healthcare as it was. It always worked.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

^Total mischaracterization. Keep trying though.

 

[StormfrontFL]

I totally agree. We did not vote for Obama because he wanted healthcare reform. McCain didn't want any kind of healthcare reform because it was too socialist and we don't want socialism. Obama is cramming healthcare down American's throats against their will!

We liked healthcare as it was. It always worked.

Well lucky for you!
I had to watch as my father died because his insurance provider refused to cover a hospital stay. They were more concerned with satisfying their shareholders by denying claims so that they could show more profit.

 

[B_Nick4444]

Miss Trinity
Why should congress work on "Small bills in areas that all agree on"?? Remembering from High School Civics, Majority Rules.

There, fixed that for ya. Perfect description of the party of Nein and their teabagging lackeys.

The fact that you are oblivious to the blatant irony is astonishing.

nothing ironic there

the opposition is just that -- the opposition

that is the way the system is supposed to work

 

[maxcok]

I totally agree. We did not vote for Obama because he wanted healthcare reform. McCain didn't want any kind of healthcare reform because it was too socialist and we don't want socialism. Obama is cramming healthcare down American's throats against their will!

We liked healthcare as it was. It always worked.

Well aren't you lucky it's working for you. It's not working so well for the estimated 50 million or so who don't have any, and more losing coverage every day as they lose their jobs along with employer based insurance. Not to mention those stuck in jobs they'd like to leave, but don't dare for fear of losing coverage. Or employers dropping coverage for their employees because they can't afford it anymore. Or people cancelling coverage as insurance rates jump 20-30-40%. Or people who thought they had coverage, only to have their carrier cancel them over some trumped up 'failure to disclose previous condition' bullshit. Or people who get sick and can't work, can't pay premiums and lose coverage when they most need it. Or people who can't get coverage at all for preexisting conditions. Or people who work hard for their families or themselves barely making ends meet, but can't afford even basic coverage in a market priced for the upper middle class and above. Etc., etc., etc.

Meanwhile the HMO's, the insurance and pharmaceutical companies suck trillions out of the system, post record profits, spend billions inventing 'diseases' and advertising pills nobody needs that do more harm than good, and pay their executives big fat salaries. But hey, as long as you've got yours, fuck everybody else, right? Cause you did it all on your own, right? No big government for you right? Paid for your own roads, your own police protection, purified your own water, too. No damned 'socialism' for you. Guess you'll turn down Medicare and Social Security too. Greedy bastard. I hope you do lose coverage just when you need it most for a catastrophic illness. Then maybe you'll find out what a selfish prick you've been and sing a different tune.

 

[maxcok]

nothing ironic there

the opposition is just that -- the opposition

that is the way the system is supposed to work

Sez who? Just because that's what we've become accustomed to, doesn't mean it's supposed to work that way. I don't think this monstrosity is anything like our founders envisioned.

Wouldn't it be better if we recognized our common goals? Wouldn't it be better if our elected representatives, rather than confusing the debate with misinformation, rather than working for the corporations and special interests that keep them in office, worked honestly in the interests of the people and for the greater good?

You may say I'm a dreamer . . .

 

[Trinity]

Just remember, these are your words, and I provided links to your words... Thus, according to your own logic, what I said is truthful, accurate and actionable.

Originally Posted by Trinity

Mr. Obama, the Dems and Republicans...all agree... that my posts... have been a major disappointment... and I... should die because... of my... lack of listening, lack transparency and pure arrogance and continued... pathetic campaign that has ultimately... only served to... defend Obama and his policies...


HI - larious! Thanks PA, good work!

Stupid. Know why? Obama clearly stated the following: Obama favors a Single Payer Government Run Universal Healthcare System and He envisions transitioning out employer coverage to get to a Government Run System.

Because your "quote" ignores purpose, context, intent.... and it's pretty much useless without all of those.

The intent here is to decouple your private insurance from your employer. Not to eliminated private insurance all together. So you FAIL at comprehension.

I know you're sniffing around for some big bad wolf, but it's not there.

You fail at comprehension. They stated it. Obama and the Dems were clear:

Youtube Obama and the Dems

Since when does "eliminate employer coverage" translate to "eliminate private insurance altogether"?

Since Obama and the Dems stated they favor a Single Payer Government Run Universal Healthcare System and envision transitioning out employer coverage.

And since the Dems refuse to pass incremental healthcare items that both parties agree on and do away with their Government Control Bills.

Obama and the Dems backed off the government run public option but left the government control so that they could, as Barney Frank stated eventually get to single payer government run universal healthcare. Obama envisioned phasing out employer coverage but in favor of what? Single Payer Government Run Universal Healthcare NOT Private Universal Insurance.

Don't be fooled.

 

[B_Nick4444]

Sez who? Just because that's what we've become accustomed to, doesn't mean it's supposed to work that way. I don't think this monstrosity is anything like our founders envisioned.

Wouldn't it be better if we recognized our common goals? Wouldn't it be better if our elected representatives, rather than confusing the debate with misinformation, rather than working for the corporations and special interests that keep them in office, worked honestly in the interests of the people and for the greater good?

You may say I'm a dreamer . . .

the system is grossly inefficient

and is exactly the way the system is supposed to work

it keeps the right from achieving its more extreme ambitions, as well as the left

(except in extreme and rare cases where, for example, Lincoln and Bush trampled on the Constitution, and were allowed to get away with it)

 

[maxcok]

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[maxcok]

the system is grossly inefficient

and is exactly the way the system is supposed to work

it keeps the right from achieving its more extreme ambitions, as well as the left

(except in extreme and rare cases where, for example, Lincoln and Bush trampled on the Constitution, and were allowed to get away with it)

No, there are supposed to be checks and balances. Nowhere was the system designed to be "grossly inefficent". Many of our founders warned against the rise of political parties and the division that would create. They envisioned differences of opinion, of course, and created mechanisms for civil debate. In today's media environment civil debate is all but impossible and rancor is rewarded.

The system that has evolved is rooted in gridlock, and though both sides are to blame to an extent, gridlock is the stated mission of today's Republican party. They have gone so far as to oppose initiatives they previously supported, even sponsored, just to make Obama and the Democrats look like failures for their own political gain. Meanwhile, the people's business is ignored, and the people suffer. Tragic. Despicable.

 

[HazelGod]

McCain didn't want any kind of healthcare reform because it was too socialist and we don't want socialism. Obama is cramming healthcare down American's throats against their will!

We liked healthcare as it was. It always worked.

Yeah! Keep your goddamned government hands off my Medicare!

 

[D_RAND0MNESS]

Yeah! Keep your goddamned government hands off my Medicare!

Medicare works just fine for those who need it. It's there for the poor who get sick. I don't need medicare because I work and I can afford roper health insurance. If somebody chooses to spend money on $200 of cigarettes each month instead of paying their health insurance then I why should they be bailed out of they injure themselves? Health insurance companies can't take care of you unless you pay them what they need.

 

[B_bigenuff4u]

No, there are supposed to be checks and balances. Nowhere was the system designed to be "grossly inefficent". Many of our founders warned against the rise of political parties and the division that would create. They envisioned differences of opinion, of course, and created mechanisms for civil debate. In today's media environment civil debate is all but impossible and rancor is rewarded.

The system that has evolved is rooted in gridlock, and though both sides are to blame to an extent, gridlock is the stated mission of today's Republican party. They have gone so far as to oppose initiatives they previously supported, even sponsored, just to make Obama and the Democrats look like failures for their own political gain. Meanwhile, the people's business is ignored, and the people suffer. Tragic. Despicable.

Dude, what you started out saying was VERY true. It`s fucked up. BUT from BOTH sides. Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot. Where does it end?

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Medicare works just fine for those who need it. It's there for the poor who get sick. I don't need medicare because I work and I can afford roper health insurance. If somebody chooses to spend money on $200 of cigarettes each month instead of paying their health insurance then I why should they be bailed out of they injure themselves? Health insurance companies can't take care of you unless you pay them what they need.

Stop lying. Like you're rolling in dough.
I bet you have 11 inches too.

 

[B_bigenuff4u]

Stop lying. Like you're rolling in dough.
I bet you have 11 inches too.

Man are you drunk? I FEEL what he says. Why do you dismiss it? Do you work? Do you PAY taxes? DO YOU WONDER where your (our) money is going?

 

[D_RAND0MNESS]

Stop lying. Like you're rolling in dough.
I bet you have 11 inches too.

Did what I said hit too close to home? I worked hard for the comfortable living that I have. My health insurance is probably the best in the world. This is the beauty of America. You can work hard, succeed and afford to keep yourself healthy. Good health insurance is everyone's God-given right. We wouldn't need socialist healthcare if everyone worked like they are supposed to.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Man are you drunk? I FEEL what he says. Why do you dismiss it? Do you work? Do you PAY taxes? DO YOU WONDER where your (our) money is going?

Yes I do pay taxes. Thank you for assuming that I don't have a job and leech of your supposed "hard work" because I don't obsess over where every penny of my taxes is being spent like you. To put this in more perspective, I have two full time jobs which include my own digital record label that represents more than 100 people internationally. I do more on a working man's salary than you could ever do with double your current yearly income. Which is why I laugh hysterically at people who says everyone just needs to "work harder". Even I know there's people out there who work harder than me and get less. Some of you don't even have a clue as to what work really is, but think your mundane 9-5 is grueling.

And remember... the key word here is "obsess". Don't demonstrate a failure in elementary level vocabulary comprehension and dive off the deep end here.

Did what I said hit too close to home? I worked hard for the comfortable living that I have. My health insurance is probably the best in the world. This is the beauty of America. You can work hard, succeed and afford to keep yourself healthy. Good health insurance is everyone's God-given right. We wouldn't need socialist healthcare if everyone worked like they are supposed to.

No... unlike you, I have a heart.
My hubby owns his own practice, makes more money than I can, yet I have a better health plan and I can't even sign him on my plan because it doesn't acknowledge same sex unions. Try telling him he's not working hard. Also, pay close attention to the scribe I administered to your cheerleader above. You couldn't walk a city block in my boots, nevermind tell anyone here what it means to "work like they're supposed to". So let's not get this shit twisted.

You believe that healthcare is a privilege. That's fine. I believe it should be a right. If you're wise, you'll stray away from the rhetoric and try to meet these social differences head on. Otherwise, you're gonna make discrediting you WAY too easy.

 

[maxcok]

Yeah! Keep your goddamned government hands off my Medicare!

I know! Did you see that lady scream that out at one of those meet-your-legislator-and-talk-about-healthcare-reform Q&A's last summer? I laughed my ass off. I'm still laughing my ass off.

This is why we're doomed. It's the electorate, stupid. i.e. the stupid electorate.