Obama as "the most successful food stamp president in modern American history."

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You'll never find me on here saying it's all Obama's fault for where were at. I couldn't agree more about what Bush and the whole bunch of them did to screw up everything. I'm saying we don't need them to be name calling each other when they need to be working on the problems on hand. I'm also very aware of why people are on food stamps and like I was trying to get across, with more jobs, less food stamps. I was actually sticking up for Obama, beleive me if I could have put my foot up DT ass I would have. Obama could have opened up the gulf permits alot earlier and that would have created more jobs. Who's to blame for that? Continuing the bush tax cuts also didn't help, who's to blame for that?, though I know congress didn't help one bit. Though he was handed a bad hand he should be doing a lot better with all the tax dollars spent. I guess you think he's doing a great job with the foreign issues, I would disagree. I just wonder why you see Obama and the dems being fawless and only blame the reps. I see a lot of blame to go around to both parties and the last admin.
 

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I'm not a big Obama fan, actually only a Chicago Cub Fan, but Gingrich is not what we need, sorry Reps. Espically him catering to the southern baptist shows me he's pretty much wrapped up in corruption and nothing but narrows minds come from the ''bible belt''...

With the highest percentage of unemployement ever you can expect food stamps to be the highest ever. I not only blame Obama for not creating jobs but I also blame my buddy GB and that is the main reason why so many are on food stamps.

We hated the way Obama kept blaming Bush for the hand he got dealt, so let's hope we don't go thru that shit again, but we will. They all suck!

A few things on jobs
1.the job gains during the last 2 quarters have been in the privet sector with massive layoffs in the public sector depressing the gains.

2. any job creation measures were immediately torpedoed by the republicans to keep public perception low that was a big part of the budget concessions.

3. the republican plan for job growth gos something like this

a-massive deregulation(things like the fda and epa only impede business)

b- lower the tax rates for the "job creators" so they can create more jobs(this may shock some of my liberal friends but im in with that but not quite the same way. My version of this is to remove corporate tax loopholes and differentiate between small businesses and large multinationals effectively lowering the tax burden of the mom and pop while making the massive companies pay there taxes)

c- remove budget draining welfare programs now that there is even less intake to pay for them( this bit would take a few election cycles as killing or making homeless grandma isn't very popular)

I am continually surprised how anyone could support this. Even tho i would directly benefit from the republican plan i still consider it immoral so how the hell dose someone earning minimum wage justify voting for these assclowns?
 

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I just wonder why you see Obama and the dems being fawless and only blame the reps.

You see that because you want to. Despite not using more inflammatory words to criticize the current administration, I have provided open critiques when I felt it was necessary. Much of that is ignored by several others who only look at issues from a "Democrat vs. Republican" angle. I know I can come off acting and sounding a "bitch" sometimes, but I'm generally an optimistic person. And since I can honestly see many members of the current administration trying to correct the problems of the past I tend to be more conciliatory when talking about them.
 

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My only thought: how can anyone reasonably argue that we should increase tax rates on any bracket, much less the wealthiest, when roughly half of the LEGAL population does not pay even a cent in federal taxes????? I am a technically unemployed college student that pays taxes. The fact that I pay more than almost half our country without being gainfully employed infuriates me.
 

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My only thought: how can anyone reasonably argue that we should increase tax rates on any bracket, much less the wealthiest, when roughly half of the LEGAL population does not pay even a cent in federal taxes????? I am a technically unemployed college student that pays taxes. The fact that I pay more than almost half our country without being gainfully employed infuriates me.

Time to add more facts to the distorted talking point.
First off, if you have a regular job or even collect unemployment insurance you're required to pay federal taxes on it. According to 2011 IRS Tax Rates, 10% of the gross income made by people that make $0 to $8,500 is taxable. » Official 2011 US Income Tax Brackets (IRS Tax Rates)

People who are issued refunds every year are those who overpay their yearly share based on the current rates. Refunds are not indicators of people who don't pay taxes. They're just not required to pay on top of whatever they already paid on April 15th. Right now, more than 186 Million people pay taxes in this country. That's more than half of our country's population so even with simple math we can prove there's no way that "half of the legal population" doesn't pay taxes. We don't even have to take into consideration the Unemployment Rate, or use Census date calculate the number of underaged people who make up the portion of people who everyone claims "don't pay taxes". However, if we did that would blow the doors off the argument even further and expose it for the dishonest talking point that it really is.
 
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i spoke nothing to the fact of refunds, but sir, you are simply not correct. I'm curious to know how you have the "scoop" about every issue raised, and how it seems nearly everything is painfully pro-Dem anti-GOP...My father was intimately involved in the law and tax areas of the US, and my Uncle is still involved in the governmental sector of taxes, and both fully disagree with your stance. To my previous point, I'm dying to know where your info comes from! You should be making tons of money from it, because two established, successful professionals that get paid to do it seem to know little in comparison!

That being said, how do you highlight a quote from another poster's post??
 

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by the way, I very much like your quote:
"The modern Conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy... the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - J. K. Galbraith

EXCEPT, there is no need for moral justification. We as human beings, and entirely selfish and self-interested...anyone that says otherwise is absolutely lying. I'm not saying you can't help individuals, but when push comes to shove, selfishness reigns supreme.
 
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My only thought: how can anyone reasonably argue that we should increase tax rates on any bracket, much less the wealthiest, when roughly half of the LEGAL population does not pay even a cent in federal taxes????? I am a technically unemployed college student that pays taxes. The fact that I pay more than almost half our country without being gainfully employed infuriates me.

To be fair, problems with the US tax code have been building up for a long time, well before Obama took office.

We can only blame Obama for appointing a commission and then completely ignoring the panel's conclusions.
 

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To be fair, problems with the US tax code have been building up for a long time, well before Obama took office.

We can only blame Obama for appointing a commission and then completely ignoring the panel's conclusions.

fair. Are you a Washingtonian? I ask because I noticed your NW location tag. If so, please help turn it into a red state! My continued stay in this country may depend on it!
 
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fair. Are you a Washingtonian? I ask because I noticed your NW location tag. If so, please help turn it into a red state! My continued stay in this country may depend on it!

Haha! There is a definite libertarian streak in the Pacific Northwest. But I am still fairly "progressive" on many social issues, as are most Washingtonians.

I am still perplex as to why some in the US seem so enamored with a Fat Government model when it is clearly not yielding very good results in the EU, and is not even keeping social unrest at bay there.
 

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Do you reserve just as much taxation vengefulness toward corporations and wealthy individuals who duck, dodge, and shelter their tax obligations?

Yes when it comes to corporations, especially ones that receive absurd "tax-exempt" status, such as the NCAA. For wealthy individuals, I don't think they should be forced to pay more than their equal percentage, as compared to what lower earners pay. The thought of punishing success is silly. But, if people want to broach the topic of the wealthy needing to pay more, it had sure as hell better not be considered until every single American pays his or her fair share
 

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I dont get the obsession with taxing the working poor. Could someone justify in plain text how that would be moral. Id take a 3% tax hike and think nothing of it.
 

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I dont get the obsession with taxing the working poor. Could someone justify in plain text how that would be moral. Id take a 3% tax hike and think nothing of it.

umm i don't see where you justify why they should be exempt from taxation. I know for certain that many of my loved ones would be more accepting of potential tax hikes if they weren't left to feel as though they are shouldering the burden for everyone else.

There are obviously people who have fallen on hard times, but to believe that this is the vast majority of the poor is idiotic. Let's face it, lots of people are lazy and are quite content to live off government handouts :/
 

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i spoke nothing to the fact of refunds, but sir, you are simply not correct. I'm curious to know how you have the "scoop" about every issue raised, and how it seems nearly everything is painfully pro-Dem anti-GOP

I don't have the scoop on everything. I have a thought and I put it out there just like anyone else. Also, I provided my argument with no regard of political affiliation. Never once did I try to box your opinion as being "Conservative" or "Liberal", nor did I use any of the usual political buzzwords to express it. Therefore, you have no grounds (beyond your own biases and suspicions) for determining whether or not my argument was "painfully pro-Dem and anti-GOP"... that is, unless you consider mathematics to be "liberal". :rolleyes:

My father was intimately involved in the law and tax areas of the US and my Uncle is still involved in the governmental sector of taxes, and both fully disagree with your stance.

I had two sisters that worked for the IRS for several years and they'd say otherwise. Not that any of this makes any real difference since we don't gain leverage or insight on an argument based on family relation. :rolleyes:

To my previous point, I'm dying to know where your info comes from!

From a combination of accessible web sources and personal experiences that you don't care about since you hold your political ideologies in more regard to facts that may challenge you to think differently.

You should be making tons of money from it, because two established, successful professionals that get paid to do it seem to know little in comparison!

And thus far in this argument, you have provided nothing to defend your statements beyond two relatives that aren't members of LPSG who "work in the industry", what they supposedly would say, and shrouded attacks on my intellect. So sorry if this isn't enough to discredit what I have to say, but your daddy can't save you here. :rolleyes:

I will make one correction in my previous argument... the number I provided earlier representing the number of taxpayers in America was incorrect. It's more like 138 Million people and not 186 Million. Even so, politicians trying to point fingers at people for "not paying federal taxes" are just as dishonest as the ones who also like to make "Food Stamps" an issue. The more you lower taxes, the more you make it difficult for our nation to generate enough revenue to take care of the needs of its citizens. There's no logical explanation for anyone to insist on making necessary services for our country's citizens worse just to provide more money for richer people who are supposed to create more jobs.

And beyond all of this... your argument regarding taxes in this thread is completely off topic.

EXCEPT, there is no need for moral justification. We as human beings, and entirely selfish and self-interested...anyone that says otherwise is absolutely lying. I'm not saying you can't help individuals, but when push comes to shove, selfishness reigns supreme.

There's always a need for a person to feel justified for their actions. Nobody conducts their lives without having any conscious awareness of how they are perceived by others. Being self-interested is not necessarily being selfish, and those who know the difference know how to balance the two in order to make things better for everyone around them. I wouldn't be where I am in my career if I was ultimately selfish, so it only reigns supreme in the minds that don't think they can (or have to) work with anyone else to get what they want.

That's what I believe, and quite frankly I don't care if you think I'm lying since others do understand where I'm coming from.
 
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To the OP: If your ex was getting SSI, like me, she would be considered 'too rich' for food stamps, as it's more than $650 per month. Really, I wish I had food stamps some months, but otw it's better to have the cash and be able to make your own decisions on how to spend it, even if it means going without groceries now and then.

You other motormouths, quit picking on the tiny minority if US citizens who need the help.
 

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umm i don't see where you justify why they should be exempt from taxation. I know for certain that many of my loved ones would be more accepting of potential tax hikes if they weren't left to feel as though they are shouldering the burden for everyone else.

There are obviously people who have fallen on hard times, but to believe that this is the vast majority of the poor is idiotic. Let's face it, lots of people are lazy and are quite content to live off government handouts :/

Lets put it this way

a women who makes 12.5k a year with 3 kids ends up needing food stamps to get by on food the only sustainable way to tax her income would be to raise it or take away her kids. both options present problems one a idealogical no no for conservatives(minimum wage) and the other would cost the state more than the tax revenue it would receive, not to mention the effect on the kids and the mother.
 

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a women who makes 12.5k a year with 3 kids ends up needing food stamps to get by on food the only sustainable way to tax her income would be to raise it or take away her kids. both options present problems one a idealogical no no for conservatives(minimum wage) and the other would cost the state more than the tax revenue it would receive, not to mention the effect on the kids and the mother.

Good argument. :wink:

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Let's face it, lots of people are lazy and are quite content to live off government handouts.

And this is coming from someone who has admitted that he's an unemployed college student?! WOW. Such irony!!!
 

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Gingrich also blasted Obama as "the most successful food stamp president in modern American history." We need jobs, not welfare dependency.

my ex girlfriend only gets 41.00 in food stamps and 700.00 a month in ssd so I wounder who is getting all this money.:mad:

Well then, the answer is obvious. We should immediately revoke your ex girlfriend's $41 in food stamps and cancel her ability to receive $700 in SSD. That will take care of all the problems.