Obama at Prayer Breakfast

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Always classy, always WRONG:
Obama was born in 1961, his parents divorced in 1964.
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1. a person born of unmarried parents; an illegitimate child

My mistake.

Obama was the first that was born to a foreign absentee dad that beat his wife(s) and children and wasn't a U.S. citizen. His pops also fathered other children around the globe - some are living in poverty, etc., and are all over the world.
 

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I think Obama was the first bastard child of a foriegner that got elected and that is what raised the issue. It is unlikily that people were questioning previous presidents because their fathers were ordinary citizens.

Obama was not the first child of a foreigner that got elected and furthermore he was no "bastard child" as he was was born of married parents.


{QUOTE=Tintagel Demondong;2456407} The 21st president, Chester A. Arthur, wasn't a "natural born" citizen according to the Birther's criteria; his father was a British/Irish citizen when he became president. I wonder why nobody made a fuss about it then. Then again, they didn't have Fox news back then. :rolleyes:{/QUOTE}

^^and Arthur was a Republican.:tongue:
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OK, for clarification I pulled together the following information from various sources, specifically: http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30527.pdf ; http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/us...nnel=d6459ddf801b3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD ; http://books.google.com/books?id=-_...Ewxv7ZH7Uwlc#v=onepage&q=wong kim ark&f=false ; and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law.

Different rules apply for persons born abroad to one U.S. citizen before November 14, 1986. United States law on this subject changed multiple times throughout the twentieth century, and the law is applicable as it existed at the time of the individual's birth.
For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:
One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born
The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.

An April 2000 CRS report by the Congressional Research Service, asserts that most constitutional scholars interpret the phrase "natural born citizen" as including citizens born outside the United States to parents who are U.S. citizens under the “natural born” requirement.

A distinct minority view is that "natural born citizen" requires two citizen-parents. This view is based on the works of Emerich de Vattel, specifically his "Law of Nations," which, among other things, expressed the international law view that citizenship followed the doctrine of Jus sanguinis - that the citizenship of the child was determined by that of its parents. While Vattel was influential in his views of the relations of nation-states in international law, there is no evidence that his views on citizenship were influential to the founders.

Chester Arthur (born of an American mother and Irish father, purported birthplace of Canada) was sworn in as President, however his status as a "Natural born citizen" was challenged because he was born with British citizenship (therefore not jus sanguinus) and it is contended, on foreign soil (therefore not jus soli). Some argue that those born abroad to U.S. citizens are not eligible to ascend to the Presidency (not jus soli), since an act of the United States Congress such as the Naturalization Act may not overrule the Constitution (see "Natural born citizen" as presidential qualification).

Presidential candidates George W. Romney (born in Mexico), Barry Goldwater and John McCain (born in U.S. territories), were never seriously challenged on the basis of their "natural born" citizenship, but no candidate falling under this classification has ever actually become President (again, there's that difficult Chester Arthur incident).

Basically, it doesn't matter whether Obama was born in Hawaii or Africa or on the Moon! His mother was a "citizen" born in the USA who lived more than ten years in the USA after her birth. She also lived more than five years in the USA after his birth. If she happened to die during her first five years back in the USA, Obama would still satisfy the requirements currently recognized to be a citizen of the USA to be President. For further reading go to: Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad

But, of course, none of this matters to birthers. Primarily, because they're as dumb as Play Dough and just as easily manipulated. And as we've discovered from reading their posts on LPSG, the majority of them are definitely not smarter than a Fifth Grader.

I'm less concerned about "Where's the Birth Certificate?" than I am regarding "Where's Your High School Diploma and Did You Pass a Civics Class?"
 
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Th' Consteetooshun has a requirement. Obama has not only failed t'show he meets th' requirement but has ackively pursued a course of obstruckshun of showin' a simple docoomnt t'show he meets a cornsteetooshunal requirement. Yer answer above is th' bess yo' 3 kin come up wif? None of yo''d be able t'win a high skoo debatin' match. Jest on account o' th' th' politics fo'um is populated wif a large number of like mindless fools does not validate whut does not even pass as an argoomnt - fine reasoned o' otherwise. It warn't a "Good post VB" It was jest an angry rant by someone who kinnot address th' issue.

It was a "fuck you" post directed at you for your obvious bigoted banter... as usual. Don't hate because someone else agrees with me.

I already got into a heated debate with you over this on the last birther thread, and like the ignorant racist that you are, you sat there and did the same exact thing on infinite loop. You deflected any reasoning, you embraced your ignorance like a boa constrictor, all the while typing up candy coated insults while getting on other people for doing the same thing in a more rash & direct manner. Like fuck this will happen again for another 90+ pages.

You're not looking for a debate. You're a lonely son of a bitch looking for people to agree with you... and I never will. You misinterpret the Constitution like a religious zealot misinterprets Holy scripture. You only focus on the few lines that suit your arguments, and not take into any consideration the ENTIRE document... especially lines that go completely against your bigoted ideologies. If you could dig the Founding Fathers out of their graves and skull fuck them for your rabid, sexual enjoyment, you'd probably do that too.

Don't get mad that nobody here wants to debate you on this stupid topic. Let that be a clue that there are MANY MORE IMPORTANT issues at hand right now... and if you had any fuckin' clue or gave a damn about what's really going on in our country, you'd stop the bullshit. I said it before, and I'll say it again.... get a fuckin' life. Figure out that you're not worthy to discuss this topic with me or anyone else on this board, and move the hell on.
 
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OK, for clarification I pulled together the following information from various sources, specifically: http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30527.pdf ; USCIS - Civics Flash Cards ; The Heritage guide to the Constitution - Google Books ; and United States nationality law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Different rules apply for persons born abroad to one U.S. citizen before November 14, 1986. United States law on this subject changed multiple times throughout the twentieth century, and the law is applicable as it existed at the time of the individual's birth.
For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:
One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born
The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.

An April 2000 CRS report by the Congressional Research Service, asserts that most constitutional scholars interpret the phrase "natural born citizen" as including citizens born outside the United States to parents who are U.S. citizens under the “natural born” requirement.

A distinct minority view is that "natural born citizen" requires two citizen-parents. This view is based on the works of Emerich de Vattel, specifically his "Law of Nations," which, among other things, expressed the international law view that citizenship followed the doctrine of Jus sanguinis - that the citizenship of the child was determined by that of its parents. While Vattel was influential in his views of the relations of nation-states in international law, there is no evidence that his views on citizenship were influential to the founders.

Chester Arthur (born of an American mother and Irish father, purported birthplace of Canada) was sworn in as President, however his status as a "Natural born citizen" was challenged because he was born with British citizenship (therefore not jus sanguinus) and it is contended, on foreign soil (therefore not jus soli). Some argue that those born abroad to U.S. citizens are not eligible to ascend to the Presidency (not jus soli), since an act of the United States Congress such as the Naturalization Act may not overrule the Constitution (see "Natural born citizen" as presidential qualification).

Presidential candidates George W. Romney (born in Mexico), Barry Goldwater and John McCain (born in U.S. territories), were never seriously challenged on the basis of their "natural born" citizenship, but no candidate falling under this classification has ever actually become President.

Basically, it doesn't matter whether Obama was born in Hawaii or Africa or on the Moon! His mother was a "citizen" born in the USA who lived more than ten years in the USA after her birth. She also lived more than five years in the USA after his birth. If she happened to die during her first five years back in the USA, Obama would still satisfy the requirements currently recognized to be a citizen of the USA to be President. For further reading go to: Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad

But, of course, none of this matters to birthers. Primarily, because they're as dumb as Play Dough and just as easily manipulated. And as we've discovered from reading their posts on LPSG, the majority of them are definitely not smarter than a Fifth Grader.

I'm less concerned about "Where's the Birth Certificate?" than I am regarding "Where's Your High School Diploma and Did You Pass a Civics Class?"

It was a "fuck you" post directed at you for your obvious bigoted banter... as usual. Don't hate because someone else agrees with me.

I already got into a heated debate with you over this on the last birther thread, and like the ignorant racist that you are you sat there and did the same exact thing on infinite loop. You're not looking for a debate. You're a lonely son of a bitch looking for people to agree with you... and I never will. You misinterpret the Constitution like a religious zealot misinterprets Holy scripture. You only focus on the few lines that suit your arguments, and not take into any consideration the ENTIRE document... especially lines that go completely against your bigoted ideologies. If you could dig the Founding Fathers out of their graves and skull fuck them for your rabid, sexual enjoyment, you'd probably do that too.

Don't get mad that nobody here wants to debate you on this stupid topic. Let that be a clue that there are MANY MORE IMPORTANT issues at hand right now... and if you had any fuckin' clue or gave a damn about what's really going on in our country, you'd stop the bullshit. I said it before, and I'll say it again.... get a fuckin' life. Figure out that you're not worthy to discuss this topic with me and move the hell on.
SSSSSSHHHHHHH! You'll awaken the "Holy One"!
 

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If the He/She and Holy It awakens, it isn't our problem. "The Collective" is obviously mentally challenged and needs care (as well as spelling lessons). Tis a pity she's a whore. Even John Ford couldn't make gold out of the pee and manure-soaked straw "The Collective" spews out and rolls in. :biggrin1:
 

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Sorry Pit(h)bull: not buying it. The only requirement for legal, good 'ol fashioned citizenship in 'Mericuh is that ONE parent be a natural born citizen of the USA. And there is no requirement that the parent with the citizenship be married or not.

The Plush Rush reasoning doesn't work with me:

Plush Rush: "Warm mayonnaise kills!"
Me: "Prove to me warm mayonnaise kills."
Plush Rush: "Here, eat this sandwich. "
Me (more than a year later): "Hmm. . . I've tasted better and I've tasted tasted a lot worse. But I ate it and I ain't dead yet."
Plush Rush: "Damn mayonnaise. Hang on while I find something else that might kill you."

Great Answer.
I am so impressed how you explained Obama and citizenship issues. You need to contact his legal defense team and I'm sure they will use it .
 

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Gee, thanks Pit(h)bull. Nice compliment. You see the difference between you and me is that I know how to read AND understand what I'm reading. :biggrin1:

He read one of the lines of my signature (currently the second one) and made comment on it. He used only the first line for his typing rebuttal, getting the whole idea skewered. Meaning--maybe he can understand only half of what he reads.
 

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You're telling me that's fake?
Hawaii: Obama birth certificate is real - USATODAY.com

The guy's 48 years old, don't you think he would've been deported by now? I mean if he was a day laborer I might buy this, but a guy who went to Harvard, taught at Harvard, got elected to the Illinois state senate, the United States senate, and the presidency really made it that far as a fucking illegal alien? I'd say truth really is stranger than fiction, if I was crazy enough to believe it.