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this has been a thoroughly enjoyable experience reading through this thread.
I tried to warn all you libtards about this doubletalking, silver-tongued hoax/phony 2 years ago.
That said, his faling performance has eclipsed even my dismal expectations on the opposite side of good.
I wish all the sheep hadn't fallen for this unqualified mouthpiece from the get-go; but at least most of you have the ability to form your own opinions and break away from the cult.
I tried to warn all you libtards about this doubletalking, silver-tongued hoax/phony 2 years ago.
That said, his faling performance has eclipsed even my dismal expectations on the opposite side of good.
I wish all the sheep hadn't fallen for this unqualified mouthpiece from the get-go; but at least most of you have the ability to form your own opinions and break away from the cult.
I feel you, ST. I've been waiting, watching, listening for two years.
So I would ask you, what good is it to have a long-term strategy when you are incapable of communicating it to the public, when you're unable to effectively realize your policies with majorities in both houses, when you have expended all your political capital and lost the support of your own party?
What good is it to have a long-term strategy when the stated goal of the opposition is to undermine and outright block your initiatives at every opportunity, and you seem incapable or uninterested in fighting back?
Most importantly, what good is it to have a long-term strategy when the opposition party has a 50/50 chance of solidifying majorities in both houses of Congress in two years, not to mention taking the White House, and undoing everything you've accomplished so far - which is their stated goal? The ultimate end game being to drive us straight off a cliff, the people be damned.
I'm still waiting, watching, listening - with increasing detachment and diminishing optimism.
I give it through the State of the Union address come January and maybe a couple of months beyond that to see what materializes. If I haven't seen the president get religion, find his testicles, and lead the charge forward, I'll be ready to defect. I think then it will be time to consider getting on a new horse for 2012. At this point a Cuomo/Clinton ticket looks appealing.
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Well here's the problem, starpooper... all you did was whine, bitch and complain about Obama. Anyone can do that. Meanwhile, you and your GOP didn't have anyone worth a damn that was any better. I could understand if McCain/Palin actually were a choice... but over the same two years as you cried and whined about Obama, McCain proved he was a flip-flopping hypocrite and Palin was already dead on arrival. Oops!
And here we are in 2010. Even after all of the gains the GOP made in the House & Senate, you STILL have nobody worth a damn that can do better. Go ahead. Try to come up with a name. Wanna try Palin again? Huckabee? Romney? Gingrich? Yeah, I thought so. All ZEROES. And we all know the Democrats aren't going to put up a primary challenge so that option is dead as well.
So please... shut up. As far as I'm concerned, if the presidential election was today I'd still be voting for Obama. Despite some obvious failures, he's still done more than anyone you could ever conceive to take his place. Period. Your gloating is like your stock advice... NO SUBSTANCE.
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Finally. Some balls materialize in the Senate Echo Chamber.
I hope filibuster fever spreads like pig flu, but I won't hold my breath.
You go Bernie "Socialist" Sanders! :biggrin2:
You know sweetie, your observations might gain a bit more respect if you dropped the "libtard sheep cult" rhetoric and actually made a point beyond "I told you so". Also, you're celebrating his 'failures' for not effectively pushing the agenda most of us favor, which you vehemently oppose, minor point of distinction.
So should we reasonably conclude you'd be happier and have more respect if he were more effective?
Are you ever going to contribute . . .
. . . to the discussion, or is that too challenging for your little parrot brain?
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this has been a thoroughly enjoyable experience reading through this thread.
I tried to warn
Let's be VERY clear. There exists not a single Republican that I would vote for that isn't borderline outright racist, homophobic, elitist, xenophobic, Islamophobic, theocratic or plutocratic. In fact most meet all that criteria. Just where do you find them? In fact I would march right into a voting both right here today and pull the democrat lever en masse. The democrats are far far from perfect but they're not fucking crazy shooting moose for cable television AND hold presidential aspirations.
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I sent e-mails to both of my senators and to my representative (all are Democrats) urging them not to cave in and compromise again. I'm wondering how many others did anything.
Some compromises have to be expected, but Obama has compromised on too many things. He has failed to do enough to get the American people behind him. Had he done so, the Democrats in Congress would have more backbone and perhaps a few more of the Republicans would have broken ranks. As it is, too few people are aware of the extreme increase in income and wealth disparity which has occurred since 1980 after it gradually decreased over the previous 100 years. If they had been informed about that, surely they would have put pressure on Congress to maintain the tax cuts for the middle class and restored the previous tax levies on those making (not necessarily earning) more than $200,000 per year. It appears that many high "earners" get their income not by doing anything useful, but rather, by engaging in esoteric financial transactions which hurt other people.
I hate to say it, but I strongly suspect that one of the problems is that Obama fears being labeled an uppity you know what. One would hope that such problems would have ceased to exist over the last 50 years, but unfortunately, there is a racist remnant which continues to cause problems.
Some compromises have to be expected, but Obama has compromised on too many things. He has failed to do enough to get the American people behind him. Had he done so, the Democrats in Congress would have more backbone and perhaps a few more of the Republicans would have broken ranks. As it is, too few people are aware of the extreme increase in income and wealth disparity which has occurred since 1980 after it gradually decreased over the previous 100 years. If they had been informed about that, surely they would have put pressure on Congress to maintain the tax cuts for the middle class and restored the previous tax levies on those making (not necessarily earning) more than $200,000 per year. It appears that many high "earners" get their income not by doing anything useful, but rather, by engaging in esoteric financial transactions which hurt other people.
I hate to say it, but I strongly suspect that one of the problems is that Obama fears being labeled an uppity you know what. One would hope that such problems would have ceased to exist over the last 50 years, but unfortunately, there is a racist remnant which continues to cause problems.
Can't agree with that. It's one weakness, at least in political strategy, for the democrats is they won't march over a cliff for the president or anyone else for that matter. The Republicans, on the other hand, are drones and will do what they are told to do even if it means political death. Republicans fall in line. Democrats fall apart.
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But not all the Democrats are doing what Obama tells them to do. Many refused to cave in to the taxation compromise.
That is what Bush did. He took the Clinton surplus and upended the whole thing. The bottom line is we can blame the politicians but ultimately it's the American people who are the fucking idiots. We have fucking idiot politicians because WE are fucking idiots ourselves. How can there be a long-term strategy when 'long term' is one month? How you can scream about the deficit in October and ratify a tax cut in November? As long as that is possible the country is doomed. The Republicans can get away with talking stupid because........yes we are stupid.
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Part of the problem lies in the greatly reduced quality of news programming which has occurred over the last 20 years or so. No longer is there in-depth reporting with background information or commentary. The result is that most people lack adequate knowledge to have valid opinions on important issues. Of course it is partly the fault of the people for tolerating such inadequate reporting.
Of course you're right but the networks are just giving the people what they want. I think it still goes back to the people. We wish we could hold broadcasting to a higher standard and in the 'old days' I think the network execs envisioned the news operations as a civic duty and not a profit center as it is now. It's all 'dumbed down and tarted up' as Dan Rather said. And he got run out of town by the Bushies.
No intelligent design....... :wink:
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That's true... but knowing when to do that also plays a key factor as well.
After looking at some of the specifics, the tax compromise is starting to look more like a huge stimulus bill (which is something many Republicans said they were against). If this was the initial game plan, it would be much easier for Democrats to decide whether or not to band together or oppose if there was better communication coming out of the White House.
Which is not to say that we wished House Democrats had this kind of tenacity back during the Health Care Reform debate, but that's a different story.
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Yes, and by some accounts, an Obama triumph.
Here is Charles Krauthammer in the Washington Post.
Krauthammer, of course, is no fan of Obama.
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I've seen this editorial going around Twitter and on some of the evening news channels. Gotta say, however, I'm not liking this part: No, says the current buzz, the left will instead challenge Obama for the Democratic nomination. Really now? For decades, African Americans have been this party's most loyal constituency. They vote 9 to 1 Democratic through hell and high water, through impeachment and recession, through everything. After four centuries of enduring much, African Americans finally see one of their own achieve the presidency. And their own party is going to deny him a shot at his own reelection?
Even if some of the progressive base was bold enough to go against Obama and provide a primary challenge, the black vote (in terms of actual attendance and not percentages) is not enough to swing an election. One of the main reasons why Obama won in 2008 is because he won the majority of all minority votes. Black people only made up 13% of the entire voting population in that year. Even with them voting 9 to 1 Democrat as Krauthammer declares, their numbers alone aren't significant enough to make a major impact. Krauthammer may have some points in his article, but he shouldn't be trying to pull this stunt... again.
But getting back to the subject matter. One can only wonder what House Democrats are going to do now that the specifics of the compromise are starting to come out? Although to be honest, I still don't think the richest 2% should be getting a tax cut. Perhaps they could extend the cuts to people making $500K or even $1 Million and less?
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One might like to make at least that minimal concession to distributive justice.
But I think the package shouldn't be touched.
It's a compromise ... and on balance, I think a good one ... and tampering might bring the whole windmill down.
The more I read, the more this seems an intelligent move on Obama's part, despite the immediate optics.
I didn't expect to think this.
