Obama continues to talk about ... himself.

[StormfrontFL]

Touche' my friend..:wink:

How would you fix the system....?

First, to Nick(since he's waiting and watching)...some of us have jobs and lives away from this board

And now...
Star, if you would stop the posturing and attempts to start arguments with others who don't blindly accept your somewhat narrow viewpoint you would find that some of us on the liberal side may share some views with you. I am all for government health care reform however I don't fully support the public option as it would now stand. I've seen how insurance companies work to deny coverage to the insured. Year after year premiums increase but services seem to decrease. This is where government is needed. We need to find a mechanism that forces the insurance companies to continue to provide coverage. Opening up interstate competition isn't the answer because what's to stop all insurance companies from forming a united front in what will be denied? A public option does have the potential to "scare" companies. Now if the government does institute a public option it should have a proviso that an individual can only choose to opt in if they have been denied by a certain number of private insurers. This would prevent a mass exodus from private insurers which would "overload" the services provided by the government.
The reform must have several parts. These are...
1)Limited public option
2)Interstate competition amongst insurers
3)Changes to the current Medicare plan-Lower the age for enrollment. This will at least provide some coverage to those who currently have nothing.
4)Stricter regulations of the insurance industry

The true enemy to providing adequate health care in the U.S. is greed. Insurance companies are in business to insure the healthy and the less they pay out the bigger the bonuses to their execs. With fewer people being able to get coverage the premiums for those with insurance goes up in order for the companies to remain profitable. Adding more people to the rolls for private insurers would help lower premiums, unfortunately this does nothing for those with preexisting conditions. These individuals would become candidates for the government run program.

Solving the health care problem isn't easy but it is very necessary. I have nothing against a company making a profit but when does it get to be enough? Regulation is key however Republican legislators recoil from that word like Dracula from a crucifix.

Now that we've discussed the topic that was used to distract from what started this thread let's get back to that subject. Why do some people try to find fault with everything President Obama does? If he were to sneeze they would find a way to criticize that. He killed a mosquito and people flew into a rage. Haven't these same morons ever killed a pest? If not, I wouldn't ever want to visit them because their dogs would be covered in fleas and ticks because they wouldn't use flea & tick treatments and their homes would likely be filled with all manner of bugs. "Apequeen" is someone who is so filled with hate that he/it lacks any capacity for reason. I disliked Bush but didn't find fault with everything he did. I liked Reagan and although I didn't agree with all of his policies I do believe that in some things he had the best of intentions. I have no problem debating with those on the other side of the political divide but when it becomes clear that the argument is one that is based on something petty or untrue then it's not going to be a debate but an argument.

 

[maxcok]

Well done, Stormfront. I commend you for your considerable effort and thoughtful analysis. You have given me much to think about. I eagerly await Starbrite's response. No doubt it will be equally thoughtful and well reasoned. :laugh2:







Seems to me this would be an excellent topic for a new thread. Perhaps that would be a good one for you Storm? That does not let you off the hook, BB. We're waiting . . .

 

[Onslow]

...this time at the extent of a dead person, whom he fails to even mention her name.

Do you mean 'at the expense {or to the detriment} of the memory of a dead person'~~? There is no such thing as 'at the extent of a dead person'.

...self-absorbed prick.... smugly looking to-and-fro at the teleprompters... prompters that were spent more about him, than some ex-volunteer.

What? 'prompters that were spent more about him'~~what does that even mean?

Is it storytime in the record store again?

Isn't story time usually in a library or a bookstore or a classroom? I don't know as how I've ever heard of story time being conducted in a record store, even when those 16rpm records were commonplace.

The more I look at the posts of faceking and starinvestor, the more I am convinced they are twins who share one feeble brain {on a good day, a really good day}.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Isn't story time usually in a library or a bookstore or a classroom? I don't know as how I've ever heard of story time being conducted in a record store, even when those 16rpm records were commonplace.

Nah... most people on this board, including starimposter, know I'm a DJ. Hence the sad attempt of an insult.

The more I look at the posts of faceking and starinvestor, the more I am convinced they are twins who share one feeble brain {on a good day, a really good day}.

Even if they shared brains, you still wouldn't get one that could coherently think outside of its own ass. You're being far too generous here. :wink:

 

[1kmb1]

It's official. Faceking, YOU ARE AN UTTER MORON and have now joined the ranks of Trinity and the admitted racist homophobic piece of crap Kingdongalicious and are now on ignore.

any particular reason why you chose "Stormfront"?

 

[StormfrontFL]

any particular reason why you chose "Stormfront"?

As I stated before in a different thread I chose the name because it was the name of a comic character I created when I was a kid. I wasn't aware of the white supremacist site at the time. I have since asked the mods to change it but they haven't responded. I put up Storm from the X-men as my avatar to offset the name (Storm..Stormfront). So , simply put, I have no connection to that site.

 

[B_starinvestor]

First, to Nick(since he's waiting and watching)...some of us have jobs and lives away from this board

And now...
Star, if you would stop the posturing and attempts to start arguments with others who don't blindly accept your somewhat narrow viewpoint you would find that some of us on the liberal side may share some views with you. I am all for government health care reform however I don't fully support the public option as it would now stand. I've seen how insurance companies work to deny coverage to the insured. Year after year premiums increase but services seem to decrease. This is where government is needed. We need to find a mechanism that forces the insurance companies to continue to provide coverage.

Agree

Opening up interstate competition isn't the answer because what's to stop all insurance companies from forming a united front in what will be denied?

This is known as tacit collusion; and technically is illegal. Would it happen, your guess is as good as mine. But opening up state borders to more providers would drive the costs down - and I believe considerably. I wish the same would occur for energy/power companies. Currently consumers don't have the ability to exercise their power as consumers and switch service/providers - the increased competition makes it a requirement for companies to offer competitive service and competitive rates. I feel that we HAVE to open up state lines to allow market forces to keep costs as low as possible.

A public option does have the potential to "scare" companies. Now if the government does institute a public option it should have a proviso that an individual can only choose to opt in if they have been denied by a certain number of private insurers. This would prevent a mass exodus from private insurers which would "overload" the services provided by the government.
The reform must have several parts. These are...
1)Limited public option
2)Interstate competition amongst insurers
3)Changes to the current Medicare plan-Lower the age for enrollment. This will at least provide some coverage to those who currently have nothing.
4)Stricter regulations of the insurance industry

I agree with everything except pushing down the age for Medicare eligibility. Under Obama's plan, we had to rob Medicare in order to help finance the costs of the reform. The key here I think is to somehow control the costs of prescription drugs. Maybe shorten the term before generics can compete with flagship drugs.

Adding more people to the rolls for private insurers would help lower premiums, unfortunately this does nothing for those with preexisting conditions. These individuals would become candidates for the government run program

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The gov't role in this should be that of a re-insurer. Ins. companies should be responsible up to a certain claim amount - and then the gov't would step in to re-insure on catastrophic claims. That would allow the insurance companies to keep rates competitive without taking on undue risk and jeopardizing thier financial stability.

Solving the health care problem isn't easy but it is very necessary. I have nothing against a company making a profit but when does it get to be enough? Regulation is key however Republican legislators recoil from that word like Dracula from a crucifix.

If you take inventory of agencies/programs that are run entirely by the gov't you will see a great deal of inefficiency, red tape, wasteful spending, poor service, etc.

What the repubs recoil from is complete regulation. Complete regulation is never good or healthy. Modified regulation, however, can work. If a system were implemented with limited regulation - everybody wins.

The problem with the current bill is that there is too much gov't in it. Far too much.

Why do some people try to find fault with everything President Obama does? If he were to sneeze they would find a way to criticize that. He killed a mosquito and people flew into a rage.

EXACTLY what occurred during Bush's last term. Exactly - but even worse.

 

[1kmb1]

As I stated before in a different thread I chose the name because it was the name of a comic character I created when I was a kid. I wasn't aware of the white supremacist site at the time. I have since asked the mods to change it but they haven't responded. I put up Storm from the X-men as my avatar to offset the name (Storm..Stormfront). So , simply put, I have no connection to that site.

lol just checking:biggrin1:

 

[StormfrontFL]

Agree



This is known as tacit collusion; and technically is illegal. Would it happen, your guess is as good as mine. But opening up state borders to more providers would drive the costs down - and I believe considerably. I wish the same would occur for energy/power companies. Currently consumers don't have the ability to exercise their power as consumers and switch service/providers - the increased competition makes it a requirement for companies to offer competitive service and competitive rates. I feel that we HAVE to open up state lines to allow market forces to keep costs as low as possible.
You know as well as I that just because it's technically illegal it doesn't mean it won't happen. It doesn't really matter though if a consumer has one or one hundred companies to choose from if those companies still seek to exclude preexisting conditions or attempt to avoid paying claims for existing policyholders. When I was still with my former employer I witnessed companies attempt to deny claims because the policy holder failed to list a disorder on their application. It didn't matter to the company that the insured wasn't aware of their condition at the time they took out the policy. Of course the insured was able to fight it but it took several years to get the matter resolved.

BTW, I also agree with the interstate competition for energy providers. Every time I see an ad for FP&L I wonder why they feel the need to advertise when they have no competition and the people of Florida have no choice but to use them. What choice do we have? Pay the rate hikes or sit in the dark?




I agree with everything except pushing down the age for Medicare eligibility. Under Obama's plan, we had to rob Medicare in order to help finance the costs of the reform. The key here I think is to somehow control the costs of prescription drugs. Maybe shorten the term before generics can compete with flagship drugs.
I agree about the prescription drugs. As to Medicare there are options there. A fix can be made to the plan that makes this feasible.
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The gov't role in this should be that of a re-insurer. Ins. companies should be responsible up to a certain claim amount - and then the gov't would step in to re-insure on catastrophic claims. That would allow the insurance companies to keep rates competitive without taking on undue risk and jeopardizing thier financial stability.
Okay



If you take inventory of agencies/programs that are run entirely by the gov't you will see a great deal of inefficiency, red tape, wasteful spending, poor service, etc.

What the repubs recoil from is complete regulation. Complete regulation is never good or healthy. Modified regulation, however, can work. If a system were implemented with limited regulation - everybody wins.

The problem with the current bill is that there is too much gov't in it. Far too much.
I'm sure no one expects the government to be overseeing every little action, however someone is needed to keep the insurers in line. As it now stands the insurers have a virtual free reign to act with near impunity. It also falls on the American people to start looking out for their own interests and to spend as much time studying the issues as they do worrying about who Kim Kardashian's sister is dating or who the Bachelor might choose.



EXACTLY what occurred during Bush's last term. Exactly - but even worse.

As for Bush, the majority of outrage and complaints regarding Bush were directed at his handling of the war, the economy, the politicization of the Justice Dept., and the reasons we went to war. You can't tell me that people were outraged because Bush used a teleprompter or made a speech.

 

[maxcok]

. . . I wasn't aware of the white supremacist site at the time. I have since asked the mods to change it but they haven't responded. I put up Storm from the X-men as my avatar to offset the name (Storm..Stormfront). So, simply put, I have no connection to that site.

Quelle surprise! You might consider keeping it just to piss off the Neo-Nazis. Confuse the morons and diffuse the power of the word - we like that concept, don't we? I'm not sure I'm ready to adjust to a new identity for you, and I really like your ava. Plus it's kinda ironic, ain't it? And you know how I love irony.

Just my 2 ct., totally up to you Storm.


I see it's game on. Excellent.

 

[B_starinvestor]

Isn't story time usually in a library or a bookstore or a classroom? I don't know as how I've ever heard of story time being conducted in a record store, even when those 16rpm records were commonplace.

VB works in a record store, and he was telling stories in this thread.

The more I look at the posts of faceking and starinvestor, the more I am convinced they are twins who share one feeble brain {on a good day, a really good day}.

I could say that same thing about 100+ libs in this forum. One hundred some twins sharing the same brain.

 

[B_starinvestor]

As for Bush, the majority of outrage and complaints regarding Bush were directed at his handling of the war, the economy, the politicization of the Justice Dept., and the reasons we went to war. You can't tell me that people were outraged because Bush used a teleprompter or made a speech.

There were people blaming him for the beef recall, accounting scandals, flooding, among others.

People went insane every time he made a public appearance. Many still do. There were multiple people in this forum screaming bloody murder when Bush showed up to support Haiti.

 

[StormfrontFL]

Quelle surprise! You might consider keeping it just to piss off the Neo-Nazis. Confuse the morons and diffuse the power of the word - we like that concept, don't we? I'm not sure I'm ready to adjust to a new identity for you, and I really like your ava. Plus it's kinda ironic, ain't it? And you know how much I love irony.
Just my 2 ct., totally up to you Storm.

I do love to piss small minded individuals off. No matter what I will keep my avatar. Okay, I might change that image but it will always be Storm(I LOVE HER)


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[StormfrontFL]

There were people blaming him for the beef recall, accounting scandals, flooding, among others.

People went insane every time he made a public appearance. Many still do. There were multiple people in this forum screaming bloody murder when Bush showed up to support Haiti.

The issues you list are more serious than some of the things I've seen people pissed off at Obama about. Accounting scandal...mosquito? Not even close.
I think the outrage about Bush showing up to support Haiti had more to do with his lack of response to New Orleans after Katrina. It was felt that he only jumped on the Haiti bandwagon in order to attempt to salvage his image. It was a bit over the top but I'm sure you can see the rationale behind it unlike "Apequeen's" rage at a simple speech.

 

[maxcok]

There were people blaming him for the beef recall, accounting scandals, flooding, among others.

No, they blamed him for his inept and abysmal handling of the Katrina aftermath, just to pick one.
Stop spinning and deflecting.

People went insane every time he made a public appearance.

I can't speak for others, but I mostly just laughed or shook my head in disgust.

There were multiple people in this forum screaming bloody murder when Bush showed up to support Haiti.

Again, I don't speak for others, but he is a complete buffoon. Instead of trying to burnish his pathetic image, I wish he would just go away and stop reminding us of that. He's not funny anymore.

 

[tripod]

Who knew that Face was interested in English Nationalism?

 

[pathfinder]

I'd bet Obama has a big dick. now isn't that enough reason to vote for him?

 

[D_Sir Fitzwilly Wankheimer III]

Okay Now that's a challenge I gladly accept. Who on this site is a licensed health insurance agent? Oh yeah, I have one of those. Also life and variable annuities. Bring it on Star!

big fucking deal 40 hours of online intruction to get all three makes you an expert. hardly.

 

[freyasworld]

...this time at the extent of a dead person, whom he fails to even mention her name.


http://englishnationalistparty.com/obama-she-insisted-shes-going-be-buried-obama-t-shirt

self-absorbed prick.... smugly looking to-and-fro at the teleprompters... prompters that were spent more about him, than some ex-volunteer.

I got a letter -- I got a note today from one of
my staff -- they forwarded it to me -- from a woman in St. Louis who had been
part of our campaign, very active, who had passed away from breast cancer. She
didn't have insurance. She couldn't afford it, so she had put off having the
kind of exams that she needed. And she had fought a tough battle for four years.
All through the campaign she was fighting it, but finally she succumbed to it.
And she insisted she's going to be buried in an Obama t-shirt.

ass.

Well I am shocked at the violent outbursts coming from some of the members on here, regardless of how petty, or untrue certain statements are....now i would like to share with you a story, I will condense it for you as much as I can.
July 2005, I was living and working in Germany and Switzerland as a psychologist treating patients with eating disorders, I had my own successful practice, 3 kids all under 14. When I was diagnosed with Breast cancer!
Fortunately I had private health care through my practice. I had surgery, drug, radiation and hormone treatments and of course reconstruction. I was unable to work, I lost my home, closed my business and I had to return to the UK. Upon entering the UK I was told by the insurance companies, oh that’s a pre-existing condition we won’t insure you. Fortunately the UK has the NHS and I was able to get some drugs for a small fee. The treatment I had, the operations, etc was no different to what I would have received under the NHS.
I met my partner a wonderful guy, who said, look I’ll stand by you, I’ll support you through this and I’ll support your kids, (they are not biologically his) I’ll give them a home and we’ll get you fixed!
He’s been true to his word, now at the time I thought well how long do I have left, can I at least see my boys get to 16, then 18 now I’m hoping they’ll get to 21. I have 1 son aged 20 at Oxford university, I have a19 year old going to university in September and a 16 year old who’s studying to go to university in 2 years time, but at the moment he’s a rock guitarist and a skateboarder!
Now it does not matter how bad a health care system is, without it people die sooner. I certainly would be dead by now and left 3 orphans, but on a more positive note, on the 07/26/10 I will be 5 years clear, officially in remission so perhaps someone will employ me again, and perhaps I won’t get a relapse, perhaps I do have a future, but I can’t believe that just yet!
So please whatever your political views, health care is and should be a basic human right for all. Now all Politian’s love using women and breast cancer to further their political agendas, and it is wrong regardless of the intention, Tony Blair’s wife, was asked to attend a cancer charity in Australia oh yes but my fee is £20,000! Scum sucking parasites!
Obama – I personally don’t know him, never met him, not likely too, but as in all countries he surrounded by other scum sucking parasites and the opposition is similarly endowed. But from a purely outsiders view point, the most advanced nation on the planet is not able to give basic health care to its citizens regardless of their age, sex, and ability to pay! At least he is trying to do something, does not matter how bad it is, it can always be fixed later, but for god’s sake get something in place!
But the mistake is using the tragic events of a woman dieing and using that to make a political statement....as far as the BNP is concerned these fucking idiots think the world is flat!

 

[Zayne]

It wouldn't get even half that support if people knew the bill calls for fat-farming of Americans to be sold to China as lamp oil.